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<---See, I'm smiling, but that's pretty much an oxymoron when it comes to Gaga fans. We Gaga fans know as a *fact* that Gaga is more critically acclaimed, talented vocally/musically than Britney, so there's absolutely no reason for us to hate (just check the VMA and Grammy noms/wins stats alone). K, I admit we probably come off a little pretentious, but, to paraphrase Beyoncé, we simply talk like this cuz we can back it up. And most of the time it's only in response to Britney stan fans calling her "The Queen" when we all know *damn* well Madonna is the Queen! lolThis is a friendly response,
Britney must not be cast aside though. She (re)paved the way for Gaga. I definitely give her credit where it's due and I am a fan of Britney's.
Btw, the word "Legend" gets thrown around *way* too much these days. I saw someone refer to Ke as a legend the other day. lol
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwJgrng2DNk[/ame]I think it's safe to say Britney is a legend. She's broken so many records by now and has made her place in the business and clearly isn't going anywhere anytime soon. A 12 year STRONG career in the music business is what she has. Gaga is great and has a great career right now but she's still 2 or whatever years in she's got a long ways to go to catch up.
PS Brit fans can equally back it up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwJgrng2DNk - with raw and unedited vocals
performances CEMENTED in pop culture history...no one talks about performances these days like they did with hers. No one could even come close to causing the stir Brit does.
2000 VMA- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Qrk3OYn_U
2001 VMA- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONuHuiWwcJQ
2004 VMA- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6xfoSEX0ww
Playing piano and singing- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN3Ww-jA_yI
In case you need a reminder of her career- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_spears
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Britney_Spears
Rolling Stone said her album Blackout was the most influential pop album of the decade. Her version of "Telephone" that was not even released officially made the top 25 singles of the year. So there's your critical acclaim. PS. I'm pretty certain Gaga's album was released in that same decade
http://www.theprophetblog.net/rolli...-influential-pop-album-of-the-past-five-years
And as if you didn't think she still had it, Here is everything "Hold It Against Me" has done so far:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hold_it_against_me
Breaking many many records and has critical acclaim.
"...With "Hold It Against Me" already under her belt and making a lot of noise, expect Spears to have one of the biggest years of any artist out there — and perhaps of all time." ~MTV.COM
So I think I covered everything....... She has talent. She has charisma. She doesn't need to remind everyone numerous times why she is in the business and lets her work speak for itself. She never starts shit with anyone even though she do with her all the time. Her career has outlived many many artists when she was said her career couldn't. And she is a legend whether people like to admit it or not.
I never said Britney wasn't a legend. I'm sure it seemed like I was insinuating that, and I was to certain degree (as I will elaborate on in closing...i sound like a fucking lawyer...). I personally don't put her up there with Cher, Madonna etc. Not quite yet. AFA breaking records, the same could be said about Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Ke$ha...it seems every week someone's breaking some kinda record. Doesn't make them a Legend. Least not in my book.
Can't really argue with that. Though...there was that whole Blackout era...u'know, the lame VMA performance, and the fact that 'Black Out' debuted #2 with 290,000 copies and hasn't crossed the one million copies sold mark in the US yet since dropping in 2007...but I digress. Other than that, yes, it has been really strong.
That's thoughtful and true. And thank you, we appreciate the compliment.
Equally? K, Ladies and Gentleman of the jury, let the record show, once again, it is obvious by the reverb effect throughout, the performance above is *not* unedited and raw. And certainly nowhere *near* equal this Gaga performance of 'Paparazzi' which *is* raw and unedited, and Live.
No doubt. The 'Oops...I did it again' remix' performance was epic AFAIWC! I remember watching it on repeat forever back then. Now when I watch it, all I see is a lot of shaking, and hair tossin' and fuck, that 'ol raggedy ass cat next door does that on most of her good days!
K, here's Gaga playing piano and singing Live, a little shouty at times, but shit, at this point she's barely a songbird hatchling.....hey, don't let me get the 'Paparazzi' video posted above again cuz...okay...just sayin'...
)Sorry, no. Rolling Stone said it was "possibly the most influential pop album of the last five years." I'm not sayin it wasn't, I think it was her BEST album to date (completely underrated!). However in any case, that article was written by ONE individual, who could possibly be a HUGE Britney stan (they do have jobs). Possibly. 1 person's opinion. 1 person. ArticleRolling Stone said her album Blackout was the most influential pop album of the decade. Her version of "Telephone" that was not even released officially made the top 25 singles of the year. So there's your critical acclaim. PS. I'm pretty certain Gaga's album was released in that same decade
http://www.theprophetblog.net/rolli...-influential-pop-album-of-the-past-five-years
Here is the HIAM Critical reception Wikipedia entry you suggested I look at.
So what I'm hearing here is that it's, "decent enough", some of *her* best work, not much growth when compared to singles such as 98's "...Baby One More Time", a bit safe, weak lyrically, her vocals have been a bit (but not surprisingly) treated, "the vocal performance is far from stellar", comparing it to other artist's songs (Rihanna's OGITW from just last year? Ouch!) and as pretty much nothing new, reminiscent of her own previous hits. So pretty much most of those^ critics are saying it's "ok." Also, these^ are reviews of one song. One.Wikipedia said:
^This part makes me feel kinda sad, Stephen.
So I take it what you're saying here is these days Britney doesn't flaunt her sexuality or make music that appeals to tweens and teens and clubhoppin' pop music fans like she did when she first entered the business? I mean it *is* her tween/teen appeal and sexuality that got her (and yes, Christina, Gaga etc) into the business. (But unlike Christina and Gaga) it certainly isn't her vocal skills, musical talent and suburb songwriting skills that have and will keep her in the business. It *is* her sexuality (in song lyrics, videos etc) and a loyal (most of them tweenage when they started listening to her, then and now) pop music fanbase that's keeping her in the business. And good for her, she's one of the lucky ones.
Who, Gaga? If it's Gaga you're referring to, I don't remember Gaga starting any shit with Britney. I've never heard Britney start any shit with anyone, that's true.
That's true and her loyal fanbase takes all the credit for that. I think Gaga will do the same.
I think she's a Legend in her own right....yes. However, until she's in the 'Rock N Roll' Hall of Fame or when top artists start covering her songs on their albums or they have an Mtv: Icon-esque Britney Spears concert or tribute, I can't put her up there with Cher, Madonna, Elvis, Aretha, Michael etc etc. She's not there yet IMO. She will be one day, no doubt. As will Lady Gaga.
Brit is my number one though so I have to defend her just as you do with Gaga. No Brit's voice isn't the strongest BUT she does the best with what she has. Her head voice, to me, is so gorgeous... especially in ballads.
lol That's fine, we all try to avoid the truth sometimes. I call it the "Lalalalalalala! Defense Mechanism." (j/k, of course). I'm just satisfied in knowing that post will be a part of this thread forever!
Exactly. It's what any great fan would do.Ok I read everything Nocturnal and I got the points you made and I'm glad we can agree on many things and we obviously disagree on many things. One thing I felt I wasn't clear on was people starting shit with Britney. I didn't mean Gaga at all, I meant other artists who put her down constantly. I do think Gaga is talented and I respect her for doing what she does. She's even on my iPod
And you can call me Sean...my name isn't Stephen. Also don't refer to me as an unruly child who needs to learn the law of the land
I expect my tickets in 2 weeks not 3
