Britney Spears [Mega-Merged] Thread

[Callum]

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^^ Britney's not 'bad' though. She's just extremely manufactured, which is annoying because it blurs the industry between talent and moulding.

She's also not incredibly relevant, which is unfortunate because The X Factor needs a non-Disney star (aka not Demi) and a has-been (Britney). It needs someone that's currently dominating charts. Sadly, people that are relevant won't take these judging positions because they can't tour, promote etc. Which is what I'm somewhat surprised Nicki Minaj did but whatever...And when non-relevant people (like J Lo and Steven Tyler) take these positions, they're relevant again because they're on broadcast television.

People still listen and buy/chart Britney's shit because they're nostalgic. Kind of like Madonna, who in my opinion hasn't had a really good album since Ray of Light. Britney's last great album was Blackout, and even then it was all the production behind it (and NOT Martin/Luke). It's an under-appreciated album that was the spark that lit the proverbial euro/electropop dance craze we have at the moment in North America. Yeah, I'm blaming her for the last half decade of pop music. Five fuckin' years ago...but who's counting?

Thank God some modern talents have the sense to stay the Hell away from Britney's production team. Hopefully Adele, Lady Gaga and Sia don't get involved...we've already lost Rihanna, Katy Perry, Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne and Kesha to them. Just lost the legendary Christina Aguilera to the Martin/Shellback/Luke rogue gallery. Yowzers!

But meh, it's not like I'm a Britney stan or anything, especially to other artists I like from her era (Timberlake/Aguilera etc.). I like maybe five of her songs across all of her albums. Toy Soldier, Ooh Ooh Baby, Toxic are the first that come to mind.

Perhaps I only care a tiny bit about her these days because she named one of her tours after an Edgar Allan Poe poem.

 

[BFizzle]

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But meh, it's not like I'm a Britney stan or anything, especially to other artists I like from her era (Timberlake/Aguilera etc.).

Boy bye.

 

[Callum]

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nevermind.

there's always the "unsubscribe" button. lol

Why? I subscribe to threads like this to see how crazy disillusioned people actually compare Britney to someone with legit talent like Aguilera.

 

[BreakTheIce]

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Talent isn't all you need to succeed though. Nobody with functional ears would say that Britney can out sing Christina, because she never could. However, Britney is the better artist. She has more star power. I think part of being a successful artist is making the kind of music that can appeal to a target audience. Britney did that WAY better than Christina did and had way more success in the earlier parts of her career than Christina. Christina was pretty much always in Britney's shadow.

Even now, Britney is getting paid more on her first season of X Factor than Christina is getting paid on her third season. Christina's last album didn't do as well as Britney's and I think the last time Christina hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with a song as a solo artist was like what, over 10 years ago?

But yes, a good voice gets you nowhere these days. If it did, just about anyone coming off these reality singing competitions would be a major star, but the overwhelming majority of them just fizzle out.

Haven't heard Christina's new single but I hope her upcoming album is like Back to Basics. She also for some reason gets heavily compared to Lady GaGa these days, which I will never understand why.

 

[refujiunderground]

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^^ Britney's not 'bad' though. She's just extremely manufactured, which is annoying because it blurs the industry between talent and moulding.

She's also not incredibly relevant, which is unfortunate because The X Factor needs a non-Disney star (aka not Demi) and a has-been (Britney). It needs someone that's currently dominating charts. Sadly, people that are relevant won't take these judging positions because they can't tour, promote etc. Which is what I'm somewhat surprised Nicki Minaj did but whatever...And when non-relevant people (like J Lo and Steven Tyler) take these positions, they're relevant again because they're on broadcast television.

People still listen and buy/chart Britney's shit because they're nostalgic. Kind of like Madonna, who in my opinion hasn't had a really good album since Ray of Light. Britney's last great album was Blackout, and even then it was all the production behind it (and NOT Martin/Luke). It's an under-appreciated album that was the spark that lit the proverbial euro/electropop dance craze we have at the moment in North America. Yeah, I'm blaming her for the last half decade of pop music. Five fuckin' years ago...but who's counting?

Thank God some modern talents have the sense to stay the Hell away from Britney's production team. Hopefully Adele, Lady Gaga and Sia don't get involved...we've already lost Rihanna, Katy Perry, Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne and Kesha to them. Just lost the legendary Christina Aguilera to the Martin/Shellback/Luke rogue gallery. Yowzers!

But meh, it's not like I'm a Britney stan or anything, especially to other artists I like from her era (Timberlake/Aguilera etc.). I like maybe five of her songs across all of her albums. Toy Soldier, Ooh Ooh Baby, Toxic are the first that come to mind.

Perhaps I only care a tiny bit about her these days because she named one of her tours after an Edgar Allan Poe poem.

no, britney spears can't sing. that's that. even if she was singing over a good beat or a catchy song, she doesn't have the vocals. even if her voice was computerized, she would still sound horrible. she doesn't have the voice. you are not going to be able to convince me otherwise with that.

the only reason why she got huge was because she was shoved down people's throats by the record companies tossing money to these radio stations and tv stations to play her record or music video 20 or 30 times in a row basically brainwashing people to like her horrible music. of course when you hear a song every where you go 24/7, you will eventually start to like it. there's a few artists that can actually sell records off the strength of their music without mtv or whatever radio station's help. britney spears isn't one of those people. proof that ANYBODY could be a star. you don't even have to be shit. you just give the illusion that so and so is special and people will BELIEVE that they are special even if they aren't shit. it's really scary when you think about it. look @ what happened with the kony 2012 disaster this year. people like sheep jumped to a cause that they had NO idea about. when you think about it, over time, people have become zombies almost with music artists and it's gotten to the point where people look down on you if you don't like a certain artist as if you have to like them.


i think it says a lot about someone if they basically need to look at other people's opinions before they say they say they like or dislike an artist's music. it reminds me of how in 2002 when the whole world was loving ja rule and his half assed music, singing his songs, and even talking about "ja rule has singing talent". suddenly, in 2003, when 50 cent starts shining, is all over the tv, dissing ja rule, everybody becomes a 50 cent fan and is dissing ja rule acting like they weren't singing his songs a year ago. then they try to talk about how they were never ja rule fans or had his cd. wtf?

 

[refujiunderground]

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Talent isn't all you need to succeed though. Nobody with functional ears would say that Britney can out sing Christina, because she never could. However, Britney is the better artist. She has more star power. I think part of being a successful artist is making the kind of music that can appeal to a target audience. Britney did that WAY better than Christina did and had way more success in the earlier parts of her career than Christina. Christina was pretty much always in Britney's shadow.

Even now, Britney is getting paid more on her first season of X Factor than Christina is getting paid on her third season. Christina's last album didn't do as well as Britney's and I think the last time Christina hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with a song as a solo artist was like what, over 10 years ago?

But yes, a good voice gets you nowhere these days. If it did, just about anyone coming off these reality singing competitions would be a major star, but the overwhelming majority of them just fizzle out.

Haven't heard Christina's new single but I hope her upcoming album is like Back to Basics. She also for some reason gets heavily compared to Lady GaGa these days, which I will never understand why.

bullshit. she never had star power. she has people telling her what to do from what to dress, how to carry herself, and etc. she's basically a robot.

and of course, christina aguliera isn't going to be able to compete with britney spears when britney spears already was out 3 years before her especially when she first debut doing the same tired gimmick that britney spears flew out the gate with earlier. she was unfairly dismissed as another britney spears.

but the bright side is that when you don't have the talent, it eventually shows where your time in the music industry just starts to fade out. britney spears no longer has a music career. she's done. christina aguliera still has a career even if she's not able to sell records like that. people know she has talent. people know britney spears is yesterday news and can't sing. nobody is trying to hear another britney spears record. NO ONE.

 

[Callum]

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Talent isn't all you need to succeed though. Nobody with functional ears would say that Britney can out sing Christina, because she never could. However, Britney is the better artist. She has more star power. I think part of being a successful artist is making the kind of music that can appeal to a target audience. Britney did that WAY better than Christina did and had way more success in the earlier parts of her career than Christina. Christina was pretty much always in Britney's shadow.

Even now, Britney is getting paid more on her first season of X Factor than Christina is getting paid on her third season. Christina's last album didn't do as well as Britney's and I think the last time Christina hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with a song as a solo artist was like what, over 10 years ago?

But yes, a good voice gets you nowhere these days. If it did, just about anyone coming off these reality singing competitions would be a major star, but the overwhelming majority of them just fizzle out.

Haven't heard Christina's new single but I hope her upcoming album is like Back to Basics. She also for some reason gets heavily compared to Lady GaGa these days, which I will never understand why.

Christina's new track is like 99% of every other song on mainstream radio at the moment. Only difference is her voice, naturally. You're not missing much. Bionic bombed because it was riddled with tracks that were not mainstream friendly. It also lacked significant cohesion. In addition, the best tracks were actually on the deluxe edition of the album and not the standard edition. Management totally fucked Christina on promoting that album (although it was quite good).

Oh, how could I forget...we also have Britney to blame for introducing the mini/faux-dubstep crap that is now plaguing us since Hold It Against Me!

i think it says a lot about someone if they basically need to look at other people's opinions before they say they say they like or dislike an artist's music. it reminds me of how in 2002 when the whole world was loving ja rule and his half assed music, singing his songs, and even talking about "ja rule has singing talent". suddenly, in 2003, when 50 cent starts shining, is all over the tv, dissing ja rule, everybody becomes a 50 cent fan and is dissing ja rule acting like they weren't singing his songs a year ago. then they try to talk about how they were never ja rule fans or had his cd. wtf?

Men don't have the added star power (ex. massive sex objectification) that women do though...but that's another discussion to itself. I think Ja Rule is in jail or some shit. With T.I. or someone.

 

[BFizzle]

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Even now, Britney is getting paid more on her first season of X Factor than Christina is getting paid on her third season. Christina's last album didn't do as well as Britney's and I think the last time Christina hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with a song as a solo artist was like what, over 10 years ago?

Drag them through the facts, BTI.

 

[ILLBFIRE]

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News flash: The whole definition of "X Factor" is having star power. Britney wasn't deemed the princess of pop for no reason. Out of her, Jessica, Christina, Mandy, and all those other blonde wannabes, Britney is the only one who slayed for an entire decade consistently. She is the definition of being a worldwide music star, whether you think she can sing or not. Anyone can sing, but not anyone can be a music icon.
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All Worship at the altar of Godney!

Even now, Britney is getting paid more on her first season of X Factor than Christina is getting paid on her third season. Christina's last album didn't do as well as Britney's and I think the last time Christina hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with a song as a solo artist was like what, over 10 years ago?


Haven't heard Christina's new single but I hope her upcoming album is like Back to Basics. She also for some reason gets heavily compared to Lady GaGa these days, which I will never understand why.

I hope that changes with her new single!!!
I dont think so Xtina is 100x better than that troll.I fucking love Xtinas voice...Its pure magic

Drag them through the facts, BTI.

LOL I luv it

 

[BreakTheIce]

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bullshit. she never had star power. she has people telling her what to do from what to dress, how to carry herself, and etc. she's basically a robot.

and of course, christina aguliera isn't going to be able to compete with britney spears when britney spears already was out 3 years before her especially when she first debut doing the same tired gimmick that britney spears flew out the gate with earlier. she was unfairly dismissed as another britney spears.

but the bright side is that when you don't have the talent, it eventually shows where your time in the music industry just starts to fade out. britney spears no longer has a music career. she's done. christina aguliera still has a career even if she's not able to sell records like that. people know she has talent. people know britney spears is yesterday news and can't sing. nobody is trying to hear another britney spears record. NO ONE.

She does have star power. Everytime she makes a TV appearance it usually generates a lot of buzz. Her stint of Glee got the series a major ratings boost, when she showed up on X Factor (UK) the series had a new records of viewership as well.

As for nobody trying to hear another Britney record, that's not true as well IMO. Three of the four singles of Femme Fatale reached the top 10 of the Hot 100 (one of them #1). The album itself debuted at #1 and outsold Christina's Bionic in its first 2 weeks on the chart. Her last tour grossed over $68 million, and prior to that The Circus Starring Britney Spears grossed over $138 million, which was better than Christina's Back to Basics Tour ($90 million).

Britney has also pushed more record sales than Christina. Also they both released their debuts in 1999, not 3 years apart. If record companies paying people to generate sales would actually work, ALL record companies would be doing it. It doesn't work that way. Record companies need to pay television and radio to play their artist's music. They also have to invest in the artist's music videos, etc. They will only continue to pay TV and Radio to play their artist's music if they see that the public responds by buying the artist's CD. If not they stop otherwise it's basically like cutting off your own limb and losing money for nothing. This is why after a set period of time record labels stop pushing their artist's work on radio and TV. It doesn't generate money for them anymore. Christina would also have been a nobody without the help of MTV and radio stations and actually had better singles than Britney in the earlier part of her career, but her CD sales were lower.

It takes someone who the public REALLY likes to be able to successfully sell CDs. Just look at pop music today. Rihanna and Katy Perry sell the shit out of singles. They can't ever push as many CDs as Adele can. Adele's 21 outsold ALL of Rihanna's CDs combined in the US. This has nothing to do with her label paying radio stations to play her music. She's pretty much out of the top 40 on the Hot 100 now and is not promoting any single, and still her album is still doing amazing. It was pretty much the same back when Christina and Britney were new to the pop scene.

Don't get me wrong I like some of Christina's work and actually like more of her songs than Britney's but Britney is way more of a star than Christina will ever be. Like Sal Cinquemani of Slant Magazine one said, "The disparity between Aguilera and Spears can't be measured solely by the timbre and octave range of their voices ... Aguilera's popularity has never reached the fever pitch of Britney's."

 

[BreakTheIce]

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Christina's new track is like 99% of every other song on mainstream radio at the moment. Only difference is her voice, naturally. You're not missing much.

 

[innocentbychoice]

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Talent isn't all you need to succeed though. Nobody with functional ears would say that Britney can out sing Christina, because she never could. However, Britney is the better artist. She has more star power. I think part of being a successful artist is making the kind of music that can appeal to a target audience. Britney did that WAY better than Christina did and had way more success in the earlier parts of her career than Christina. Christina was pretty much always in Britney's shadow.

So you are saying that a better artist is someone with star power who knows what kind of art to make to appeal to most of the people. Are you crazy??? A real artist express themselves through their art without giving a shit about what anyone thinks, when art is contaminated by everyone else's opinion about it and is based on everyone else's opinion but the artist's then it's no longer art, it's no longer natural or inspirational. It turns into BUSINESS. So if you're saying that Britney is a better business woman because she knows what kind of music is played in the clubs and what kind of music is easier for people to hear then I'll say you're right. But a better artist? HELL NO. Britney is not an artist, she's a product.

 

[innocentbychoice]

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News flash: The whole definition of "X Factor" is having star power. Britney wasn't deemed the princess of pop for no reason. Out of her, Jessica, Christina, Mandy, and all those other blonde wannabes, Britney is the only one who slayed for an entire decade consistently. She is the definition of being a worldwide music star, whether you think she can sing or not. Anyone can sing, but not anyone can be a music icon.

Oh Gawd. I like Christina and Britney but the hardcore Briney fans just say the craziest things. Anyone can sing? Then how come Britney CAN'T sing at all? The fact that she has a great production team behind her doesn't mean she can sing. If what you mean is that anyone can have a record then I totally agree with you. And not everyone can be a music icon that's completely true, but don't think for a second that Britney being an icon (don't really know if she would be consider one by people outside her fanbase) has everything to do with her. Not at all...It has to do with having a great record company, a great strategy and a great management. As I said in my previous post, she's a product and a great one; to this day she's still relevant even though she went bat-shit crazy, became a robot with a really bad weave and she can't even put half a show she did 10 years ago. But people still lover her. So good job team Britney.

 

[innocentbychoice]

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LMAO Britney judging people on their singing talent.



Bitch, please.

...and the only reason she would be "mean" is because she's jealous that some of the contestants can outsing her ass.

I'm waiting for the day this happens to Britney not Demi LOL (so sad that everyone can say that about half the judges in that table):

 

[BreakTheIce]

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So you are saying that a better artist is someone with star power who knows what kind of art to make to appeal to most of the people. Are you crazy??? A real artist express themselves through their art without giving a shit about what anyone thinks, when art is contaminated by everyone else's opinion about it and is based on everyone else's opinion but the artist's then it's no longer art, it's no longer natural or inspirational. It turns into BUSINESS. So if you're saying that Britney is a better business woman because she knows what kind of music is played in the clubs and what kind of music is easier for people to hear then I'll say you're right. But a better artist? HELL NO. Britney is not an artist, she's a product.

Bitch let's get real here

If you're part of a record company, it's fair to say that you're a manufactured product. This applies to everyone (and in this case to Christina too). You're a product and you're selling a product. It doesn't mean that you're not talented and that you don't make creative and business decisions about what you will and won't do and where you want to go. Britney did everything in the past better than Christina did as far as achieving more commercial success. Their sales numbers do not lie. End of story.

Christina is just as manufactured as Britney. And I actually prefer Christina's songs over Britney's, but I'm just giving Britney credit where credit is due. Christina can meanwhile use her octaves to wail about never selling a million copies of an album in a single week in just one country.

 

[WellingLuv]

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I'm waiting for the day this happens to Britney not Demi LOL (so sad that everyone can say that about half the judges in that table):

Except that comment was irrelevant due to the fact that chump couldn't sing worth a damn and Demi does not need autotune at all to sound good. Any one who has heard her sing live knows how powerful her voice is.

 

[Callum]

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Christina is just as manufactured as Britney. And I actually prefer Christina's songs over Britney's, but I'm just giving Britney credit where credit is due. Christina can meanwhile use her octaves to wail about never selling a million copies of an album in a single week in just one country.

So? Britney can keep her 'record breaking'. People with ears know Christina has talent. So, your point is irrelevant.

Amusingly, in the above clip, Britney was more offended than Demi was. Speaks volumes...

 

[Gemini_Valley]

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Wow... I thought stan wars were a thing of the past especially for those over 18. Guess not. Granted, I haven't read thru all of the posts but both sides are coming off incredibly stupid with nothing new being expressed at all. The same tired arguments from 10+ years ago -- "OMG, Britney sells more!!!/Christina is a real artist!!@@#$#@!" -- and the end result is always the same. Both will continue to be bigger then the people that dislike them. I also love the irony: Britney & Christina have actually been very supportive of one another via the press lately yet fans remain adamant on just one being the victor.

 

[BreakTheIce]

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So? Britney can keep her 'record breaking'. People with ears know Christina has talent. So, your point is irrelevant.

Amusingly, in the above clip, Britney was more offended than Demi was. Speaks volumes...

Nobody cares. Look at the season 1 winner of X Factor. Nobody even knows who she is. And she could probably sing better than the stuff we have on radio these days. Yes she has talent. But too bad she has nothing else.

Part of your job as an artist is keeping the audience interested in you all the time. Britney did and still does that WAY better than Christina. If all it took was talent, everybody coming off these talent shows would still have a career. Sadly most of them don't.

In one way you could also say it's amazing that Britney was able to use her limited vocal skill set and still set a record of being the best selling teenage artist (under 20) ever, a record that still stands. Also, in the earlier parts of her career Britney never used auto tune. Auto tune's first big use was in 1999 on Cher's single "Believe". At the time it wasn't even called auto tune. Britney's career had just started then. Her biggest selling albums don't utilize auto tune. Her first album that uses auto tune is Blackout.

 

[Mr-Pickles]

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'X Factor' Premiere Ratings Drop 25 Percent, 'The Voice' Tops

One night may not be big enough for two singing competitions. With NBC adding an episode of "The Voice" to this Wednesday, up against the sophomore season premiere of Fox's "The X Factor," both series saw double-digit drops from their most recent outings.

"The X Factor's" two-hour premiere averaged a 3.3 rating among adults 18-49 last night, according to fast affiliate ratings. That's a 25 percent drop from last year's series premiere, though a smaller drop from the December finale (3.8 adults rating.) In total viewers, "X Factor" averaged 8.5 million viewers.


Head-to-head competition with the 8 p.m. hour of "X Factor" gave "The Voice" a victory. Though the 3.3 adults rating matches "X Factor's" total haul, the Fox show only pulled a 2.7 adults rating in direct competition with "The Voice." (In its second hour, "X Factor" grew 40 percent.) In total viewers, "The Voice" pulled in 10.7 million.

"America's Got Talent," entering its home stretch, pulled a 2.9 rating among adults 18-49. For the night, NBC pulled in a 2.7 rating with 18-49-ers and a dominant 8.9 million viewers.

Latest Music News, Band, Artist, Musician & Music Video News | Billboard.com

The rating system is beyond flawed though.


"This is how Nielsen estimates it's rating for the USA

1) Nielsen has sent out Rating Recievers to 25k households in the USA (out of nearly 118 million households). Only these 25k households are part of the Nielsen sample and only their views count towards TV RATING estimates. So it means nothing if you watch the X Factor or not, since your views do not count at all.

2) Let's say that out of those 25k, only 2000 watched The Voice, that means 2/25 or 8% of those households watched it. That fraction is then used to estimate how many people watched The Voice as a whole in the USA. So 8% x 118mill = 9.44 million households estimated to be watching.

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

1) Basic statistics teach that if you ever want to estimate an entire population as a whole, your sample population must be at least over 5% of the whole population. Nielsen sample population is less than 0%, 0.0021186% actually. That's only 1/5 of 0... so Neilsen should not be recording only 25k for it's viewership and ratings estimates; they should be recording viewership for over 5.990 million households in the USA.

2) According to standard statistics protocol, if 5% or more of a sample population is not used in an estimate to generalize the whole population, they are automatically FALSE, the study is FLAWED, and is ultimately unreliable and cannot be trusted.

3) There can also be VIEWERSHIP BIAS, since the entirety of the sample population is well aware of the fact they are part of the Nielsen sample.

4) The SAMPLE population according to basic statistical theory, must be a RANDOM SAMPLE of the whole population. You cannot pick and choose who gets sampled, as the study can be flawed because your sample population does not look anything like the whole population.


So basically, do not trust the Nielsen ratings at all. No one trusts them. Even TV executives are aware of how inaccurate and unreliable Nielsen is at estimating ratings. That is why they are pushing for a better rating system, which will hopefully come to light soon. X Factor likely got more viewers than The Voice, the social rankings of X Factor help to suggest that. "



In addition.

"The X Factor season two premiere Wednesday night ignited 1.4 million comments from viewers on Twitter and Facebook, making it the most talked about premiere for a series ever."

That's more comments than rating receivers.