Britney Spears [Mega-Merged] Thread

[Mr-Pickles]

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Yes--I think we all know that Brit Brit is more "popular", "successful", and "commercially viable" than Aguilera.

But to make it clear, I was never here to discuss numbers. I was/am talking about Spears' voice (or lack thereof). And say what you will about finding star power, blah blah blah... she IS there to tell (some of) the contestants if they have the singing chops to make it or not. Again...pure comedy.

I can understand if she was a mentor for 'stage presence', etc. but no...she's a JUDGE for what is essentially a singing competition. LOL still

It's not strictly a "singing competition" though. I'd understand your criticism if she was a judge on "The Voice", which is all about the voice. The X Factor is quite obviously about the whole package- singing, stage presence, likability, their 'look', ability to captivate etc.

With her success within the industry over the past 14 years, I think she has every right to be a judge on the show- despite maybe not having power-house vocals.

 

[Callum]

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Nobody cares. Look at the season 1 winner of X Factor. Nobody even knows who she is. And she could probably sing better than the stuff we have on radio these days. Yes she has talent. But too bad she has nothing else.

Part of your job as an artist is keeping the audience interested in you all the time. Britney did and still does that WAY better than Christina. If all it took was talent, everybody coming off these talent shows would still have a career. Sadly most of them don't.

In one way you could also say it's amazing that Britney was able to use her limited vocal skill set and still set a record of being the best selling teenage artist (under 20) ever, a record that still stands. Also, in the earlier parts of her career Britney never used auto tune. Auto tune's first big use was in 1999 on Cher's single "Believe". At the time it wasn't even called auto tune. Britney's career had just started then. Her biggest selling albums don't utilize auto tune. Her first album that uses auto tune is Blackout.

Melanie Amaro can't be marketed for a few reasons, namely being she's not Hollywood pretty. You don't need a voice to sing anymore. Look at Britney, who is, naturally, the topic at hand. She also doesn't have a single for mainstream radio. So, jury is out on her.

You are obviously blurring artistry with production. Britney does not deserve credit, especially as of late. Her handlers do as they do it so flawlessly. Her life has been tailored down to who she can even fucking hug, for God's sake. She can't even accept flowers without permission. Do you even realize how utterly sad that is? The woman is a robot now used to generate revenue off. And no one can argue any different because it's blatantly obvious just looking at her. The only remotely human thing she has done on The X Factor so far is when she chastised that one old guy for the Auto-Tune comment (as she was clearly deeply offended).

 

[Mr-Pickles]

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Melanie Amaro can't be marketed for a few reasons, namely being she's not Hollywood pretty. You don't need a voice to sing anymore. Look at Britney, who is, naturally, the topic at hand. She also doesn't have a single for mainstream radio. So, jury is out on her.

You are obviously blurring artistry with production. Britney does not deserve credit, especially as of late. Her handlers do as they do it so flawlessly. Her life has been tailored down to who she can even fucking hug, for God's sake. She can't even accept flowers without permission. Do you even realize how utterly sad that is? The woman is a robot now used to generate revenue off. And no one can argue any different because it's blatantly obvious just looking at her. The only remotely human thing she has done on The X Factor so far is when she chastised that one old guy for the Auto-Tune comment (as she was clearly deeply offended).

Britney has no music out at the moment, but her last album and lead single went straight to number one in most countries. So I don't get your first point.


I agree she is awkward with basic social communication, but I wouldn't say a robot. I think she's uncomfortable with being treated like this huge "icon", so when people treat her like that she becomes awkward. She's also very shy and humble. It has only been 5 years since she had a breakdown, so I think some of this behaviour should be excused. Regarding the flowers, Britney did thank the guy for them- but it was edited out, to either make him look stranger or for time (there's full audition footage on youtube, unless FOX have removed it now). Britney contributes to the sound of her music and the visuals of her artistry, she came up with the idea for most of her big videos. So I don't think she's a commerce-cow; she's just a different kind of artist. She likes to sing, dance and entertain, she's maintained a career from doing that for 14 years. I don't think it's that ~deep~.

I get that you have your opinions and I doubt either of our views will change

 

[BreakTheIce]

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You are obviously blurring artistry with production.

I'm not. You don't have your facts straight. Britney has very much been in charge of her artistic direction throughout her career, right from ... Baby One More Time. The original idea for its video was to be a cartoon theme, Britney changed this on her own. She came up with the idea for shooting the video in a school and having dance in the video. The original outfit she was supposed to wear in the same video was to be jeans and a T-shirt. Again, Britney decided to go with the schoolgirl outfit. Knotting up the shirt for her iconic look? Also HER idea. The resulting iconic video was basically HER doing. She has been very much in charge of her artistic choices throughout her career. The snake around her neck for the VMA performance was also her own idea. There have been so many countless things in her career which are purely her doing. She's not some robot following orders. So she does deserve credit where credit is due.

And Melanie Amaro isn't the only one from a reality singing competition who just fizzled out. I don't even know who won the last 3 seasons of American Idol because never heard anything from them. Still have *no* idea who the winners of The Voice are, never heard them on radio.

There is a lot of auto tune and vocal editing done to tracks these days, but back when Britney was still new to the business she got by without these.

As for hugging, flowers, etc. do not believe everything you see on reality TV, they edit out parts to entice viewers, etc. We're discussing if she has any business judging the X Factor and mentoring the contestants. And she absolutely does in my opinion. She may not have the best voice in the business but she knows everything about how the music business works, what it takes to succeed, and how to put on a great show.

Reality TV is partly bullshit anyways. Just an example, last season on The Voice some guy auditioned who was with Christina on the Mickey Mouse Club. She didn't recognize him during his audition. Audition ends and all you see is Christina go "omg I used to be with him on the Mickey Mouse Club!" The viewer at home would believe she remembered it just then. What actually happened was the producers and staff told her who she was before she said that. Come show edit time they removed that. So everybody thinks that she remembered by some miracle when she actually did not.

Britney has pretty much immortalized herself in the music business like Madonna. From now on everything she does will guarantee #1s all over the place. Her last album and its lead single went #1 in so many countries all around the world and she never even had to sit on some show to pimp her CD out. And she topped that off with a tour pulling in even more money. Christina's last CD was just an utter disaster, so much so that she and her label decided to not even promote it with any touring whatsoever. In fact it did worse than all of Britney's last THREE releases (including Blackout which was released at a time when Britney had done ZERO promotion for the CD herself). This just proves that Britney has staying power and longevity in her business.

Again, I like more of Christina's music than Britney's (some of the tracks on Back to Basics are F-ing EPIC), but I think some people in this thread are being unfair to Britney and not giving credit where credit is due.

 

[Callum]

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Oh, no...the whole shirt-tied-up look from BOMT was directly lifted from Shania Twain, who originated the look. 120% sure Britney even admitted to that.

I don't dislike Britney. I just don't understand how someone can't admit she isn't completely manufactured. I love Lady Gaga (a fan)...but I'll be the first to admit she's a marketing gimmick and mostly an act designed in a record company's boardroom.

 

[BreakTheIce]

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Shania never wore a schoolgirl outfit. Every piece of her outfit came from Kmart and no piece cost more than $17. Britney thought the outfits looked dorky so she decided to tie the shirt so it looked cuter.

 

[innocentbychoice]

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Dear lord at the people thinking Xtina is some kind of ground-breaking real artist, she's as manufactured as Madonna, Britney and Lady Gaga. She's just mainstream stuff with a trained voice. her latest song is mediocre at its best, just like the other ones.

The only thing I see on Britney and a praise is that she doesn't have a ceaseless hunger for glory and recognition like Madonna, Lady gaga and notoriously Beyonce. Out of everyone, scripted and everything she's probably the less self-centered.

She can't be self centered because she can't think by herself. And I'm being serious. Remember how she has the legal rights of a 6 year old? I'm pretty sure Britney actually cared about her career until 2003, then it all went downhill...Right now she's probably doing it for the money and because she knows her idiotic fans will even buy a turd as long as her face's on it.

And I really don't think Christina is THAT manufactured, yes she's a popstar which means that you are sort of manufactured by default BUT she's been able to make her own decisions for the last 10 years which is why she hasn't been commercially successful all the time on the same league of Madonna (well Madonna's albums haven't sold that well either, she's more of a tour selling artist) or Gaga but at least she's doing whatever the hell she wants as an artist.

But enough with this Britney versus Christina shit. Let's just say they are different and we can happily enjoy both.

 

[beetle]

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i've never listened to britney spears.

but you should watch this video:



this video claims that britney is kinda "brainwashed" through "mk-ultra" etc.

i don't think so ^^

but you see clearly a kinda weird, i'd almost say "psychotic" behaviour.... some go so far to say that she has signs of multiple personalities.
people with multiple personalities suffer from a dramatic psychic trauma in the very early childhood.
while 95% of patients suffering from multiple personalities got heavy molested in very early childhood years, the other 5% are victims of bad anesthetic practice and woke up while a medicaul, surgical operation was performed on them....
(these numbers and reason are up to discussionby experts, though)

others are convinced of seeing signs of schizophrenia.


anyways; watching this video, you see clearly a poor girl suffering from a heavy mental, psychic illness.

i feel pitty for her...i don't think she likes what she is doing and i think that she need professional, psychological help.

it's just sad...

 

[innocentbychoice]

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Why can't she be self-centered? LOL
She can think of herself, if she decided right now to be the hottest popstar on the planet again she would be it in a heartbeat, she could diet, work out, listen and obey to a great top-notch PR team, get a team of stylists to get the best for, buy some writing credits, You know, Be THAT Britney.

She actually needs to ask for permission to do all those things first lol. So no.

She has a super powerful machine behind her that can afford anything, and they're hungry for money, but I think it's pretty clear it's her decision not to do that, she clearly doesn't care for that so I think she can think by herself, so you were just you trying to mock her mental health.

I'm not trying to mock anything, I'm just stating the truth. She can't make her own decisions and we all know it. On top of that she doesn't really give a fuck about her career (that I agree with) so that's why she acts they way she acts.

And btw all the Madonna, Lady Gaga, Xtina fans are equally idiotic as the Britney fans, they will buy the turd as long as their faces are on it, I mean wasn't that the case with Bionic, MDNA and Born this way?.

I can't speak for everybody else but I didn't buy Bionic even though I'm a huge Xtina fan. And I'm the first one to criticize her when I don't like something...I just don't see that happening with Britney fans that often, they all blindly follow and praise everything she says/does taking it to the most ridiculous situations and even making stuff up to make themselves feel better, for example: There's a video on Youtube of Christina vs Britney and both are singing happy birthday, the clip they showed of Britney was the one when she was holding a cake and singing to LA Reid on The X Factor. Britney obviously didn't sound half as good as Christina and some fan commented on the video: "She can't sing right because she's holding a cake" ROTFL. Classic Britney fan right there.

 

[Mr-Pickles]

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Although you mention she has no control over her career/life. She arranged the X Factor contract herself, her make-up artist mentioned working with Simon and she said she'd be interested in working on a show like that. Simon got in touch directly with Britney and Britney agreed to doing the show by a 3rd phone call.


I wouldn't buy into everything you read regarding the conservatorship, she still has plenty of input to her career. She still comes up with concepts for videos and performances, plus plays a part in co-writing songs and writing songs for other artists.


Regarding the Christina vs Britney debate, yes Christina probably has more range than Britney, but some people prefer softer vocals. Britney is far more successful than Christina and that speaks volumes.

 

[innocentbychoice]

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Although you mention she has no control over her career/life. She arranged the X Factor contract herself, her make-up artist mentioned working with Simon and she said she'd be interested in working on a show like that. Simon got in touch directly with Britney and Britney agreed to doing the show by a 3rd phone call.


I wouldn't buy into everything you read regarding the conservatorship, she still has plenty of input to her career. She still comes up with concepts for videos and performances, plus plays a part in co-writing songs and writing songs for other artists.

You don't buy what they say about the conservatorship but you do buy that story about how The X Factor contract was done. Seriously? Don't act like the typical Britney fan here lol c'mon, they will never tell you anything different than that. It's business and they can't make their star look bad.

Regarding the Christina vs Britney debate, yes Christina probably has more range than Britney, but some people prefer softer vocals. Britney is far more successful than Christina and that speaks volumes.

I think they are both really successful in their own way, you can't really measure success only by album sales because Britney releases an album pretty much every year or every 2 years while Christina usually takes 3 or 4 between each album so just by logic Britney will sell more and be more "popular" because she's seen and heard more often.

If you want to measure success by awards, Christina takes the prize with multiple Grammys and awards everywhere.
If you want to measure success by voice and recognition of the music industry, Christina takes the cake.
If you wanna talk about success in the movies, Burlesque did pretty good worldwide while Crossroads tanked everywhere.
If you wanna talk about tv success, well The Voice has bigger ratings than The X Factor and the fact that Britney (or her people) decided to join a reality music contest after Christina did it and made it cool speaks volumes (and I didn't say that, The New York Times did, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/a...changed-judging-of-reality-tv-music.html?_r=0 ).

So there. Success is a very vague concept and, as I said before, they are both successful in their own way.

 

[Mr-Pickles]

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You don't buy what they say about the conservatorship but you do buy that story about how The X Factor contract was done. Seriously? Don't act like the typical Britney fan here lol c'mon, they will never tell you anything different than that. It's business and they can't make their star look bad.

I don't agree, and I don't think that's due to me being biassed. The info regarding the X Factor is directly from Simon's mouth, the info about the conservatorship is mainly speculation. I think she genuinely likes to keep busy- not solely for the money. Britney didn't release anything in 2010- just worked on her album, yet she still earnt $64 million.

I think they are both really successful in their own way, you can't really measure success only by album sales because Britney releases an album pretty much every year or every 2 years while Christina usually takes 3 or 4 between each album so just by logic Britney will sell more and be more "popular" because she's seen and heard more often.

Britney's been around for 14 years and has 7 albums, she doesn't release an album every year and hasn't since her 3rd album in 2001. Which leaves an 11 year time frame with 4 albums, so she doesn't really release a new album every year.

If you want to measure success by awards, Christina takes the prize with multiple Grammys and awards everywhere.
If you want to measure success by voice and recognition of the music industry, Christina takes the cake.

Britney has won her fair share of award and has had a lot of recognition for her music too. Christina is probably more appreciated by the Grammy association though.

If you wanna talk about success in the movies, Burlesque did pretty good worldwide while Crossroads tanked everywhere.

Burlesque had a $55million budget grossing just under $90mil, the cast also included celebrities who would bring in their fan bases (Cher, Kristen Bell, Cam G etc). Crossroads has a $10mil budget, and grossed $61mil- with her name pretty much alone.

If you wanna talk about tv success, well The Voice has bigger ratings than The X Factor and the fact that Britney (or her people) decided to join a reality music contest after Christina did it and made it cool speaks volumes (and I didn't say that, The New York Times did, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/a...changed-judging-of-reality-tv-music.html?_r=0 ).

The ratings system is so flawed, as far as I'm aware it only accounts for 25,000 American households (not even 1% of the total).

With that said though, Britney has brought shows their highest viewed episodes from her appearances on the shows (How I Met Your Mother, Glee etc).


And I'm sorry, but J-lo started the music contest trend- though she followed that stint with a moderately successful singing career (unlike Christina).



She has sold over 100million records world wide, has the 6th highest grossing tour of any female artist, has the most successful celebrity perfume etc etc.



I agree that success is a very vague concept and both artists are successful, I just didn't appreciate you downplaying her involvement based on speculation about her conservatorship.

 

[innocentbychoice]

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^As I said before, let's just be happy that we can appreciate both. I gotta tell you I like both, though I'm Team Xtina at heart, and even though I kinda think all this Xtina vs Britney thing is ridiculous deep down I sort of enjoy it lol. Feels like the old times.

 

[innocentbychoice]

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I kinda wanted to let this go but I couldn't resist:

The ratings system is so flawed, as far as I'm aware it only accounts for 25,000 American households (not even 1% of the total).

Now the ratings system is flawed? LOL I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be saying that if they said The X Factor had higher ratings than The Voice. See? Classic Britney fan syndrome right there .

 

[Mr-Pickles]

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I kinda wanted to let this go but I couldn't resist:


Now the ratings system is flawed? LOL I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be saying that if they said The X Factor had higher ratings than The Voice. See? Classic Britney fan syndrome right there .

It's true though . It's not an accurate indication of TV viewings at all. It's not being a "classic Britney fan", it's being educated regarding the subject at hand. Research into it yourself. I've had an issue with this system since before X Factor even aired as TV shows get cancelled based on the viewings of less than 1% of the population.

 

[ILLBFIRE]

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I wanted new music but I guess I have to settle for a "best of"...

Britney Spears will be the next pop artist to join Playlist's greatest hits series this upcoming holiday season. The budget compilation group will release The X Factor judge's past and recent hits remastered on one album in November.

A listing for Playlist: The Very Best of Britney Spears surfaced on Amazon.com earlier this week. The 14-track LP will feature Spears' biggest singles along with a previously released remix of “Circus” by DJ Diplo. Every studio album, from her 1999 debut ...Baby One More Time to last year's Femme Fatale, has at least one hit represented on compilation.

 

[Mr-Pickles]

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She has been looking amazing this week

 

[innocentbychoice]

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^She looks really pretty indeed, except in that picture with the yellow shirt. Maybe it's just a bad picture.

 

[DigitalFudge]

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I saw all the pics from the Whitney tribute she looks STUNNING.

 

[wilbur33]

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^She looks really pretty indeed, except in that picture with the yellow shirt. Maybe it's just a bad picture.

I think it's a 'without make-up' picture - it looks different because we don't usually see her au naturel.