Brutal Pit Bull Attack.(Warning: Graphic)

[Jerry]

Then why do all the asshole pitbull owners being sued insist that their dog is the most gentle dog in the world? None of them EVER admit to having trained their dogs to attack and be dangerous and, to be very honest, I can't believe that they trained to attack and be dangerous. It's bred into them.

If the dogs are inherently evil and vicious, then why do so many people have them as pets, and wouldn't ALL Pitbull owners eventually be malled to death by their animals?

 

[gsdx]

Using examples of bad dog owners doesn't mean being a killing machine is bred into them.

Oh, please. Do some homework.

I'm done with this. When you defend a breed of dog that kills people, there's no talking sense to you.

Have a nice day.

 

[Jerry]

But if you mistreat a Schnauzer or a Pomeranian it will never become a killing machine. It would be harder to turn one of those dogs into fighting dogs than it is to domesticate a Pitbull into being a family pet.

I disagree. Having a Pitbull as a family pet takes some effort and attention to training, as does having other breeds.
My Bullmastiff is 6 months old and weighs 80 pounds. If he wanted to harm me, he could. I knew when I got him that I was taking on a responsibility, and I have devoted time to not only show him affection, but train him as well. I also got some training, and continue to do so. He's a very sweet dog.
Small breed dogs can be just as vicious as any other breed of dog if neglected or not trained properly. Their small size may mean they can't do as much damage, but their intent can be the same.

I don't have a Pitbull but I have friends who do. They can easily be very loving and affectionate pets but, as with ALL dogs, some effort is required by the owner.

There are stories of Pitbulls being sweet kind family pets and snapping and attacking their owners small children.

There are also stories that I'm a porn star with a 12" penis.

 

[zoltanspawn]

I like pit bulls and have friends with them. They're good dogs.

They're not for everybody, of course. Different breeds of dogs have different temperaments and dispositions. Spend some time with a Jack Russell and a Newfoundland and that will be plain in short order.

People without experience training a dog should probably not own Pit Bulls, not because they're all agressive, but because mishandling them can be problematic. I wouldn't mind a regulation requiring training to own some breeds.

Banning breeds outright, on the other hand, demonstrates a marked lack of resourcefulness. I wouldn't live in a district so dim that it resorted to such a blunt instrument. Happily, Portland is full of resources for canines and their companions: a great humane society, lots of trainers, dog parks, volunteers...even a charity that goes around building fences and shelter for dogs in need.

 

[zoltanspawn]

I watch court shows every day.

Hence your misinformed opinion!

 

[Kulindahr]

I think they are, it's in their nature. All dogs can attack, but not all dogs can kill. They have to be well nurtured into being sweet loving animals. To me they are the sharks of the dog world. I would be a little hesitant to pet one even if their owner tells me that they are friendly.

The main attribute of the pit bull, according to the trainer here, is loyalty. Unless otherwise trained, they'll emulate their master, as I noted above. They are also protective, and unless taught how they're supposed to be protective, they'll make their own choice.

I agree about petting a strange one. Too many pit bull owners don't know enough to really be able to assure someone their dog is friendly, mostly because they aren't aware enough to know how they've trained it. By neglect or example, owners are always training their dogs, and oblivious training, unintentional training, makes for undependable results.

 

[zoltanspawn]

It's fair to suggest that dog owners aren't the only parties who should be subject to education.

I'm always amazed by the parents who let their toddlers scurry about our dog parks. There will be a mosh pit of 30 dogs playing rough and tumble, and all of a sudden somebody's pink-coated little lamb will go running through their midst. Unbelievable.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^
you're blaming the victim!


are these "dog parks" fenced?

 

[Jerry]

The "victim" is the poor dog who is put to death because some jaghole didn't supervise their spawn
...and of course the kid, depending on the age of the kid.
If the kid's old enough to think for their self, it's just the dog

 

[pat grimshaw]

are these "dog parks" fenced?

 

[Kulindahr]

I think they are, it's in their nature. All dogs can attack, but not all dogs can kill. They have to be well nurtured into being sweet loving animals. To me they are the sharks of the dog world. I would be a little hesitant to pet one even if their owner tells me that they are friendly.

The main attribute of the pit bull, according to the trainer here, is loyalty. Unless otherwise trained, they'll emulate their master, as I noted above. They are also protective, and unless taught how they're supposed to be protective, they'll make their own choice.

I agree about petting a strange one. Too many pit bull owners don't know enough to really be able to assure someone their dog is friendly, mostly because they aren't aware enough to know how they've trained it. By neglect or example, owners are always training their dogs, and oblivious training, unintentional training, makes for undependable results.

 

[zoltanspawn]

are these "dog parks" fenced?

Why the scare quotes, Grimshaw? Is there something strange about the idea? Are you sneering?

Many of the dog parks are fenced. Many provide water for dog bowls and poop bags to clean up. There's fresh ground cover provided, and often separate areas for small dogs and large dogs to play in.

Some parks merely have an unfenced area intended for off-leash play, but that's not really what I think of as a dog park.

 

[zoltanspawn]

I disagree; while the Pit's owner is definitely accountable the victim is most undeniably the person being viciously attacked by the animal in question. No amount of PC animal-friendly lovie-dovie bullshit is going to change that. There is one victim in this instance and one at fault, the dog was merely an unfortunate of circumstance.

Jerry was responding to post #58.

 

[Dduder]

Having a "nice" pit bull is not possible by training it. You can train it to be obedient and not attack people, but it is genetically aggressive and has high levels of adrenaline and even is very well trained it can still snap and biite someone if it gets upset, frustrated or misinterpretate something that someone does as an act of aggression. A pit bull, even a superbly trained one, will still represent a danger that , say, a cocker spaniel doesen't.

 

[looseliam]

 

[pat grimshaw]

Why the scare quotes, …

I don't know why you call them scare quotes. I call them quotation marks or inverted commas and I use them to convey a distancing irony. A word 'park' usually denotes a restful, beautiful place but I'm suspecting that 'dog parks' are really dog toilets where dog owners can go to meet up with other dog owners.


(I'm thinking some dog owners might be as easy to provoke as their dogs when confronted by innocent questions)

 

[zoltanspawn]

I don't know why you call them scare quotes. I call them quotation marks or inverted commas and I use them to convey a distancing irony. A word 'park' usually denotes a restful, beautiful place but I'm suspecting that 'dog parks' are really dog toilets where dog owners can go to meet up with other dog owners.


(I'm thinking some dog owners might be as easy to provoke as their dogs when confronted by innocent questions)

I called them scare quotes because what you call distancing irony I call sneering. You see: you sneer at the idea that a dog park could function chiefly for the exercise/recreation of dogs and the general betterment of our society by suggesting instead that dog parks are merely toilets. It's the kind of deliberate rudeness I've come to expect from you.

Such sneering isn't innocent. It's intended to provoke.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^ fair enough— as long you don't stereotype me by paying attention to those posts of mine which fit your presumption.

And I hope my posts here do provoke you to consider there are others in the world who aren't dog lovers but who are obliged to suffer the nuisance of noise and excrement of those who are.

 

[zoltanspawn]

^ fair enough— as long you don't stereotype me by paying attention to those posts of mine which fit your presumption.

Is it a presumption or only fair enough, then, to note that many of your posts are meant to provoke?

Which ought we pay attention to?

 

[pat grimshaw]

^ i believe in calling a spade a spade. The PC niceties are insane