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Building a Computer... WTH was I thinking?

SexyGuy

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For some reason or another, I thought it would be fun to create my own computer. I had friends who did it, and were pleased with what they got. Granted, they knew what the hell they were doing, while I somewhat do.

Thankfully, I haven't purchased anything. Right now, I'm in the advice stage, but I have looked at Newegg.com's tutorial. So far I know this:
  • I'm going with AMD processor
  • I want to use Linux as my OS
  • I'm getting a small SSD for a boot drive, with an actual HDD for storage
  • I don't want to break the bank

The Linux thing is a hindrance, I know, however, I am familiar with it (like advanced beginner/intermediate familiar). What I want to ask is where should I go from here? I'm looking at newegg.com, but I'm not very familiar with hardware...

Help, advice, and anything else is greatly appreciated!!!
 
Thanks GiancarloC for the reply and help.

For the computer, I want to be able to use it for movies/home theater use, as well as your basic office stuff - emails, documents, spreadsheets, internet. With that in mind, I would love to play with the idea of connecting it to my HDTV that I have now via HDMI. If I can't do that due to price, I still would like to try double or even triple monitor (I do a LOT of reading wrt documents, and pdf files.

Keep in mind, I also do not want to break the bank on this. I'm praying to get this job over the summer where I'll bank most of the money, but at the same time, get a new computer (this project) and some other stuff as well.
 
I like the mid-range one better for some reason. I definitely want this computer to be as cool (temp wise) as possible, so the idea of a cooling fan on it is very good for me!

So, that's taken care of. Now to look at mobo's... ugh.
 
If you want to build for the sake of building go for it.
If you want a decent computer without breaking the bank do yourself a favor, trot down to Best Buy and grab one those >>> Lenovo Desktop
You can't build one for that price, even without an operating system, and it will do everything you want it to do.
I have experience with 4 of those machines and they have all been 100% trouble free.
If HDMI is a MUST you'll need to add a video card......well under a C note.

If you still want to build....get the MSI mobo......you won't be sorry.
 
disagree completely with Giancarlo last comment , building your own vs. buying a complete system . For years I built my own systems , really love doing that , but it's quite possible you could end up with a configuration that is fabulously rare or even unique . If the configuration does not always perform together perfectly always you will be unable to rationally discern what is causing any problem : a complete manufactured system , there will be hundreds or thousands the same and you can say ( for example ) this particular Linux graphics driver does this ... Personally I would never pass up the thrill of building your own , but not if stability is a major issue .
 
SexyGuy, congrats on deciding to do this, even though there are some questions or a learning curve, it's a lot of fun to spec out your components and you will learn so much in the process - including the tweaking and hitting up forums, etc. after the system is built to share any experiences or tips of other users. And they say there's nothing like using a computer that you put together yourself, it's a certain kind of satisfaction there when you built it from the ground up, installed the OS yourself, etc.

Saying that, I can see where both GiancarloC and csb999 are coming from with each of their two posts directly above because I'm sort of conflicted on those points myself.

I've built/upgraded a few of my own systems over the years, but manufactured PC prices with decent specs (even specs that most totally average users might never bump up against their limitations of), are so low because consumers demand/expect that, and it's said makers are actually not making much money in this space of the market - they compensate with crapware/trialware loaded down on a new system, or chopping of thorough support (offshoring, unless you pay extra for "premium" level, etc.). I think it used to be more expensive to buy a manufactured PC than assembling your own with same (or even better specs) but over the last few years because of their buying power as organizations and bulk quantity agreements they can make with RAM suppliers, hard drive suppliers, etc. I believe in many cases a system with comparable specs is the same or even cheaper than doing it yourself.

Maybe more importantly than price though, csb999 raises a point that has frustrated me as well. In the PC space, obviously quite unlike Mac hardware in that it's quite open, I got tired of weird little incompatibilities about this version of a motherboard's BIOS, against this processor, against this video card graphics chipset - sometimes seeming like I was the only one experiencing it (or finding a handful of other souls online that happened to be running the same combination and finding the same things), or at the mercy of the manufacturers, waiting for a BIOS/firmware (or software driver) update that was very slow (or might not come at all) while they pointed fingers at the other product as the one with the issue. When you throw Windows into the mix at what it will and won't support and how it operates on top of this hardware, that's adding another compilation. I think on one hand with SexyGuy wanting to run Linux you can keep Windows out of the equation; on the other hand, with Linux you'd have to be sure all your hardware is supported with correct drivers, etc. and the userbase isn't as wide (although growing all the time). csb999 aptly points out that with a manufactured system, thousands of other users would have the same model/configuration so the broad userbase helps in that if there's a known issue, the manufacturer would be more likely to get on it and offer an update - mind you, unless they consider the model obsolete/out of production and don't want to support it. There are pluses and minuses either way to building your own vs. buying a complete system!
 
Thanks everyone for the replies, and advice! This is really helping me :)

This site helped me a lot when I put mine together.

http://www.mysuperpc.com/

Worth a look, IMHO

Thank you so much for the reference. I'll use that in conjunction with a few other references that I'm looking at.

It's a good idea. Well it depends what kind of motherboard you want.

WHat chipset is your processor? Is it AM3 or AM3+? Or the newer FM1?

See, all I know is that I want AMD mobo. I don't know what Processor I want yet; I do know that I want something that will last me a few years. I looked at your mobos and I can see the similarities, and unique features (like a FDD connector - I remember FDD and can't remember if I have any lol). While the selection is good, I'm going to keep looking. BUT I'll keep them in mind :)

@csb999: While I do know that my possible combinations may be unique, I'm cross-referencing with the Linux community to make sure what I build is stable, and functional with Linux - be it Ubuntu, or Mint (I have yet to make the leap into other distros). Also, I do know that I could easily go and buy a pc for dirt cheap, you get what you pay for IMO. For example, I've worked with several laptops (personal and company) - my Toshiba is going on 4.5 years now, and STILL runs like a beast. In comparison, the Dells, Sony Vaio, and Apple iBook (yeah, I know, old), at my work place are about the same age, yet incredibly slow.

Plus, I like to tinker and build stuff with my hands. :D One can always find something - knitting, books, drawing, coffee - in my hands at most times of the day.
 
I was AMD from square one, built three computers for myself, but not any more.
I couldn't build the Intel i7 computer I'm using right now for what I paid for it.
AMD has spent too much time concentrating their efforts at ATI at which they have been very successful.
To say you can't change mobos in prebuilt computers isn't accurate.
SOME use proprietary components......not all.
Besides, SexGuy won't be playing Doom and other high powered games.

SexGuy.....if you decide to build with two separate hhd's I think you should have someone who can guide you through the setup.
 
Guys!! Don't fight! While I do love the attention, I want this to simply be about what I'm asking:

1. I want to build my own machine. I recognize the challenges in this endeavor, however, I do not want to buy an OEM machine.

2. I want to use Linux Mint, or Ubuntu when I am done with this build.

3. This build would be for viewing movies on an HDTV as well as using home and office activities. It will also be used for double or triple monitoring.

4. Can't break the bank (Budget is ~$400 to 500).
 
I'd go ahead and spend the extra on a 128GB SSD. That'll give you enough room for your most used programs.
 
SuprSonic, read up a few posts: I want the SSD to be my boot drive (where the OS will reside), while my main HDD will be where I store everything. Plus, I'm using Linux, not Windows - so no bloatware.
 
Guys!! Don't fight! While I do love the attention, I want this to simply be about what I'm asking:

1. I want to build my own machine. I recognize the challenges in this endeavor, however, I do not want to buy an OEM machine.

2. I want to use Linux Mint, or Ubuntu when I am done with this build.

3. This build would be for viewing movies on an HDTV as well as using home and office activities. It will also be used for double or triple monitoring.

4. Can't break the bank (Budget is ~$400 to 500).

I see what you posted and I can't help but think you are forgetting quite a few things. Assuming you have a monitor(s), keyboard and mouse, I do not see any RAM, PSU, processor fan (not included in mobos) or tower posted in your "specs". Those alone are gonna be close to $200.
 
Pros and cons to both, well stated already.
Keep this in mind though when you are done and boot up and if nothing happens you must self diagnose if its the mobo, power, bad ram, bad card, dead hdd, bad wiring, faulty gpu slot or card, etc.
And you won't be bringing the whole thing back to best Buy or Frys asking for a new unit cause the one they sold you wouldn't boot up.
You will be sending parts back maybe and hoping you got it right and bad luck doesn't fall on you with another dud on its replacement.

Myself, I will be building my machines. But I could also see the ease in buying a prebuilt in the future. I've seen plenty of machines, such as lenvo that you just can't touch building yourself with a os (windows) even though the parts are dated and there isn't much upgrade as stated earlier.

We are all different. I wouldn't touch MSI mobo or assrock. I do have a MSI graphics card that is kick ass.
Never had a problem with ASUS but that doesn't mean my next won't be crap or that someone's next MSI won't be bad.

So consider these things which equal time and money if problem solving and you can't you are to the local geeky to pay him and find out why your machine won't fire up.
I can cut my grass cheaper then hiring someone but its time, keeping the maintenance of a lawn mower and that all equals operating cost. Same as a build verse store built pc.
 
About MSI and ASUS.
The computer I'm using right now has an MSI H55M-P31 mobo with an i7 cpu and Corsair ram. It's fast and trouble free.
About a year ago I donated an ASUS desktop to an organization to replace their severely outdated Sony PC.
After struggling with BSOD's and trying everything in the book to make it right I gave up, returned it, and raised the ante a little buying a Lenovo which hasn't given any trouble.
So yeah.......no matter what you do you CAN run into trouble.
About 6 years ago I donated a Gateway PC (AMD dual core) to the same organization and it has operated flawlessly over that time. Due to a management change I recently wiped the drive and did a new XP installation.
I expect the Gateway will continue to perform well for several more years.
You take a chance getting out of bed in the morning so....... ;)
 
Typically you don't have a multiple set of problems with components. Bad cards, bad ram, etc... this can happen with prefabricated computers too. And more then often depending on the manufacturer, some have very high standards when it comes to separate components.

MSI and ECS have high standards on their boards. Corsair, Kingston and Crucial have high standards on their ram. Companies like ASRock and Biostar do not.

You make it sound like it's a common occurrence. Out of all the years I've been building machines... lets just take the last 4 years, I've only had to return one component. And I've built multiple machines for family and friends.

Asus is problematic by the way in my opinion... it has many conflicts particularly with the BIOS. In addition, I've had two fail on me after just a year. MSI has excellent reviews too.

When I built my PC, I have an Asus mobo that has lasted me 5 years and I definitely do agree it is a craps shoot: some will be amazing while others will be pure crap. I will say, when looking at people's custom builds, I always diagnose the first problem to be the PSU. They will have these superb systems and a 450W PSU and then they wonder why something gets frayed. I would settle for nothing less than 750W.

Which reminds me from my previous post, there is also no optical drive. a blu ray burner is gonna be at least $80 too.
 
I see what you posted and I can't help but think you are forgetting quite a few things. Assuming you have a monitor(s), keyboard and mouse, I do not see any RAM, PSU, processor fan (not included in mobos) or tower posted in your "specs". Those alone are gonna be close to $200.

It's a work in progress at this point. I'm learning as I read up on the subject and on the go... though I thought I stated that before :confused:

As I said before, the mouse I have. The keyboard I can get for dirt cheap (and probably will get that this weekend once I get my pay cheque). I'll choose the RAM once I know what my mobo is, along with the tower and processor fan.

Like I said before, my "specs" are being created step-by-step, and I'm looking for the guidance of others to help me along this way.

Which reminds me from my previous post, there is also no optical drive. a blu ray burner is gonna be at least $80 too.

As for the optical drive, I think the one below looks really nice. I don't want to write Blu-Rays; like I said before, I want to use my computer for a media/home/office applications.

You're absolutely right, and I can't believe I forgot the power supply...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044

This one is top notch trust me... despite being 650 watts. It also is more efficient and better then higher wattage PSUs. It's not all about wattage, but rather quality. I've seen crap 800 watt power supplies I wouldn't touch.

This is the one I own. It's 650 watts and an earth watts one. It is less then 750 watts, but it is more then sufficient to power my computer and devices. My computer is upper-mid range to be exact.

Using this.

But he doesn't have to get a blu-ray burner if he doesn't need one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136232

This one is a BD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD-RW drive for $49. LG is a good brand. I own this one.

And I don't want a Blu-Ray burner. I want to play BD on my computer (since it'll be the only BD player in the apartment), as well as write/read DVD and CD media.
 
Just to throw in my 2 cents. I used to take Asus over anything .. until about 5 years ago when I had 2 boards fail quickly. When I returned one to the store, the reaction was basically "not again". I finally got one that worked .. more or less. Complete freezes under any OS happened. Since then I stay away from Asus, it seems they are not of the quality that they used to be. Maybe they got better again in the mean time, but they lost me.
 
So ASUS is out - thankfully I don't think I chose that company anyways.

GiancarloC, Corny, do you have any advice or suggestions on my "build" so far? I know I need to choose a case still (working on that!), and a cooling system (this water cooler?).
 
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