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CA Prop 8 - news and alerts [updated & merged]

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Re: CA Prop 8-Gay Marriage Ban - news and alerts

Jory said:
You do realize that the vote yes on 8 has ads on Air America K-talk AM 1150 out here?
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No I did not. Air America! What a waste of money. That audience is not going to go for that. They have over $25 million to burn so far.


I was talking to one of my friends today and she told me that her life long best friend is going to vote yes on 8 due to her church telling her to do so. I told my friend that if she does, that I never want to see her or speak to her again. I think that there needs to be repercussions for people supporting prop 8. My friend has told me that she will do everything possible to get her to change her position.

I realize this may seem extreme to some people but I really don't care. I have decided that if prop 8 passes, that I will not allow anyone to be a part of my life that I find out have voted yes on 8 or would have if they lived in CA. I don't care if they are family, friends, etc. I'm sick and tired of people that feel that it is ok to treat gay people as if they are lesser human beings than they are. Not only that, but to use a constitution, a document that has historically been used to protect individual rights, to take away a the rights of a minority group of people.

If it does pass, I hope that you all realize that they will use this to change the state constitutions throughout this country and then eventually change the US Constitution.
 
Re: CA Prop 8-Gay Marriage Ban - news and alerts

FINALLY!!! I hope that we air this one...This is the issue that I think will really appeal to people, whether they are for or against gay people getting married.




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Please EVERYONE....send this video to everyone that you know and ask your friends to do the same. We need to get this message out there now!!!!
 
Re: CA Prop 8-Gay Marriage Ban - news and alerts

I went phone banking in the Silverlake office on tuesday, and I'm going again next tuesday. Woot.
 
Re: CA Prop 8-Gay Marriage Ban - news and alerts

I'm a college student, I have no money to give. ;p So my time is all they're gettin'!
 
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I think that your efforts are awesome! We all need to do what we can. This proposition is critical. I don't have the free time to work in the office. I'm not wealthy but I'm giving what I can.

here is a commercial to appeal to younger voters.
 
Re: CA Prop 8-Gay Marriage Ban - news and alerts

That's really not one of the best ones I've seen out there to be honest. The guy and the chick didn't really work well together in my opinion.
 
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I agree. I really like the one about the constitution. I emailed it to the no on 8 campaign and told them that I think that they need to air that one or something similar.
 
Re: CA Prop 8-Gay Marriage Ban - news and alerts

bumpity....bump....bump...


metta said:
FINALLY!!! I hope that we air this one...This is the issue that I think will really appeal to people, whether they are for or against gay people getting married.




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Please EVERYONE....send this video to everyone that you know and ask your friends to do the same. We need to get this message out there now!!!!
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Re: CA Prop 8-Gay Marriage Ban - news and alerts

Here is a good article that corrects the LIES FROM PROP 8 SUPPORTERS

http://www.realjock.com/article/1245/



  1. Consequence 1: Children in public schools will be taught that both traditional marriage and same-sex marriage are okay. The California Education Code already requires that health education classes instruct children about marriage. (§51890) Therefore, if the definition of marriage is changed, children will be taught that marriage is a relation between any two adults.
    Rebuttal 1: No provision of the Education Code requires any teacher to teach that same-sex marriage is "just as good" as traditional marriage. Teachers are to teach respect for marriage and committed relationships, and Proposition 8 will not change this law.
  2. Consequence 2: "Churches will be sued [over their tax-exempt status] if they refuse to allow same-sex marriage ceremonies in their religious buildings that are open to the public. Ask whether your pastor, priest, minister, bishop, or rabbi is ready to perform such marriages in your chapels and sanctuaries.
    Rebuttal 2: "The California Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage cannot have any federal tax consequences, and the Court so noted explicitly in its decision. The Supreme Court also noted that its ruling would not require any priest, rabbi or minister to perform gay marriages, which should be self-evident because of the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of religion."
  3. Consequence 3: Religious adoption agencies will be challenged by government agencies to give up their long-held right to place children only in homes with both a mother and a father. Catholic Charities in Boston has already closed its doors because of the legalization of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts.
    Rebuttal 3: If this situation ever faces a legal challenge in California, it will not matter whether Proposition 8 passes because California already has on its books (and has for several years) laws granting domestic partners (homosexual and heterosexual) the same civil rights as married couples....Therefore, the passage or failure of Proposition 8 will have no effect on the placement of orphans with gay couples in California.
  4. Consequence 4: Religions that sponsor private schools and which provide housing for married students will be required to provide housing for same-sex couples, even if it runs counter to church doctrine, or lose tax exemptions and benefits.
    Rebuttal 4: California's existing non-discrimination laws give all registered domestic partners, whether heterosexual or homosexual, the right of equal access to family housing. To date, however, no California private religious school has been forced to comply with this law. Neither the passage nor the failure of Proposition 8 will have any bearing on the law relating to family student housing in California.
  5. Consequence 5: Ministers who preach against same-sex marriages will be sued for hate speech and could be fined by the government. It has already happened in Canada, one of six countries that have legalized gay marriage.
    Rebuttal 5: This would never be an issue in the United States because we have far more liberal freedom of speech and religion laws than does Canada. There have been no hate speech lawsuits in Massachusetts, which has been a gay marriage state for four years.
  6. Consequence 6: It will cost you money. A change in the definition of marriage will bring a cascade of lawsuits. Even if courts eventually find in favor of a defender of traditional marriage (highly improbable given today's activist judges), think of the money—your money, your church contributions—that will have to be spent on legal fees.
    Rebuttal 6: In actuality, the net fiscal effect of Proposition 8 will be an influx of revenue to California because of the anticipated increase in marriage ceremonies and the related boon to the economy. The change in the definition of marriage will not bring a "cascade of lawsuits" because heterosexual and homosexual registered domestic partners already have all the rights of married couples in California.
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(Thank you dkonfrost)
 
Re: CA Prop 8-Gay Marriage Ban - news and alerts

Matthew said:
It's amazing how the Christian community in CA has embraced lying to get Prop 8 passed. The material you quoted is being vomited out in sermons, their mailers and their ads.
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In addition, in the general ballot information, they focus on the schools. The rebuttal is that Prop 8 is not a school issue. Then they acknowledge that this is true. But still push commercials on this very issue. :rolleyes:
 
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Matthew said:
Great...just what the "Vote No" movement needs...the "Vote Yes" campaign is claiming one of their workers was attacked.

Report: Proposition 8 Campaign Turns Violent
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Chances are it's a ploy, many like it have been used before. IF it is hopefully it is found out the the Yes on 8 campaign loses some more credibility.
 
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PLEASE DONATE!!!


The latest tracking polls show that if the election were held today among voters who have seen both our ads and the other side’s ads that we would WIN!

Unfortunately, we don’t have sufficient funds to get our ads seen by all the voters who’ve seen the other side’s ads. So it’s that simple… without more funds we’ll lose.

But we will win if we have enough money to reach voters. So DONATE NOW!
A powerful array of motivated groups have organized against us. Yesterday’s Sacramento Bee reported that:
“Mormons…have emerged as the leading financial contributors to the controversial Nov. 4 ballot measure. Church members have donated about 40 percent of the $22.8 million raised to pass the initiative since July.”
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What is also unfortunate is that only 30,000 people have donated to the No on 8 campaign compared to the 60,000 who have donated to the other side. In a state with about two million LGBT people, in a country with millions more and tens of millions of straight allies, we have to get everyone to support this fight. If every LGBT person donated we can win!
Yesterday’s Sacramento Bee also reported on the sacrifices being made by members of the Yes on 8 campaign:
"That's why Auburn resident David Nielson, 55, is giving…He and his wife, Susan, live on a budget. The couple donated $35,000, he said, "because some things are worth fighting for." The couple will forgo a vacation for the next two years and make other sacrifices to pay for their donation, he said.”
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So, what is your equality worth to you? What is your equality worth to your friends and family? How much will you sacrifice for your own freedom?
We are running out of time. We need your support now. We need the support of your friends and family now. DONATE NOW! FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS!
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