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Can a blind man be gay ?
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These are all legitimate questions that really need to be put to rest, lol.
Ok i could really care less if any of you thought my thread was "dumb" or "half baked", if i have a question (no matter how dumb) im going to ask it regardless, so to all you of who decided to hop on the bash Comard (even tho some were kind of funny, see above) chain can kiss my whole ass hole
Oh yea, and i doubt the mods would close a thread just because you don't agree with how/what i said, i did't break any rules at all so, live with it, or (please) put me on ignore.
very good question...I think you'd have to talk to some blind gays to get any insight as to the social impact on sexuality. Alot of the responses hear are of a most intolerant and phobic nature: shut the thread down, you're so ignorant for asking this, how can you be so dumb, we don't want to discuss this...
It's not really that dumb of a question and I can see where he's comming from in some respects. Of course a blind man can be gay but it's curious to see how from the point of physical attraction, since he wouldn't be able to see and that's how most gays determine that they are not physically attracted to women, but to men instead. Naturally, there is more to attraction than just the physical aspect but in most cases, looks have alot to do with it and that's something a blind man would lack, so it's an interesting point if you think about it. Lay off the guy.
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A blind man "sees" with his hands so he isn't as sensory-deprived as he seems, so yes, a blind man can be gay based on visual cues as he deciphers them.
roguehunter
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no a blind man cant be gay, men cant cook, woman cant be in the army and people are not allowed to vote.
NedNickerson
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Most of these replies are extremely callous and hateful...
The original poster asked a straightforward question based on the assumption that a person's sexuality and sexual-drive can be vision-driven...
Which brings to mind the old joke about the man who buys Playboy "for the articles..."
It's an interesting theory. If you couldn't see the visual stimulus of a nude male body, would you be any less (or more?) aroused?
How many times have I read JUBbers post here, "I knew I was gay when I saw -- (fill in the blanks) -- in a magazine spread, on an album cover, on television, in a music video, etc, etc, etc...
I, for one, thought the original poster's question was an interesting one, and more deserving of consideration than it was given.
The original poster asked a straightforward question based on the assumption that a person's sexuality and sexual-drive can be vision-driven...
Which brings to mind the old joke about the man who buys Playboy "for the articles..."
It's an interesting theory. If you couldn't see the visual stimulus of a nude male body, would you be any less (or more?) aroused?
How many times have I read JUBbers post here, "I knew I was gay when I saw -- (fill in the blanks) -- in a magazine spread, on an album cover, on television, in a music video, etc, etc, etc...
I, for one, thought the original poster's question was an interesting one, and more deserving of consideration than it was given.
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Please let us be spared the "oh you are picking on a poor guy with a legitimate question" posts.
In all honesty, I'd expect such a question from a small child, not one of age sufficient to post here.
Do we have people who have such inexperience in life, such lack of knowledge of life?
Can a blind person enjoy music? Surely they cannot see the musician and the body movements of the musician when playing, nor can they see the complexity of the score, nor can they see the reaction of others.
But... but... you say that is rooted in other senses. Yes. Indeed. And it lays deeper than that. My fathr has no appreication of music, his sister does (as do I). What is thw difference? Maybe grandma f;ashed the secret flash cards at her daughtr and me and hid them from my dad? Or are there things that define us that lay deeper than our ability to apprehend sensory information?
Have people never had experience with people with blindness, deafness, or other inability to process sensory information? The responses that have spoken of these matters have not been answered, all we have had is "you guys are such meanies to a fine and noble question."
If we actually need to see a cock to be gay - let alone what does that mean for all those who have seen cocks and are not gay - is that what homosexuality has been reduced to? If one can't properly apprehend the naked male form, how could one be gay... are we that shallow? (Are we all that stunningly good looking that the sight of us is required to make others change orientations?)
It is - once again - something innate, something within, that is there regardless. Whatever may trigger its various responses within us - auditory, visual, sensory, emotional, whatever that trigger may be - that only triggers what is there. Which is why I could watch Robert Redford movies and lust and my best friend watch and not lust. It is not what we see, it is how we process, what is within us the defines how we process, information received.
The question that opened this thread would be one used in a Second City skit to evince the concept of male narcissism at its zenith. It is comicly funny and there are writers who who regrt that they had not thought of that line.
There is a most legitmate question about how do those with visual impairments apprehend the things in life differently than we - but that was not what was asked.
In all honesty, I'd expect such a question from a small child, not one of age sufficient to post here.
Do we have people who have such inexperience in life, such lack of knowledge of life?
Can a blind person enjoy music? Surely they cannot see the musician and the body movements of the musician when playing, nor can they see the complexity of the score, nor can they see the reaction of others.
But... but... you say that is rooted in other senses. Yes. Indeed. And it lays deeper than that. My fathr has no appreication of music, his sister does (as do I). What is thw difference? Maybe grandma f;ashed the secret flash cards at her daughtr and me and hid them from my dad? Or are there things that define us that lay deeper than our ability to apprehend sensory information?
Have people never had experience with people with blindness, deafness, or other inability to process sensory information? The responses that have spoken of these matters have not been answered, all we have had is "you guys are such meanies to a fine and noble question."
If we actually need to see a cock to be gay - let alone what does that mean for all those who have seen cocks and are not gay - is that what homosexuality has been reduced to? If one can't properly apprehend the naked male form, how could one be gay... are we that shallow? (Are we all that stunningly good looking that the sight of us is required to make others change orientations?)
It is - once again - something innate, something within, that is there regardless. Whatever may trigger its various responses within us - auditory, visual, sensory, emotional, whatever that trigger may be - that only triggers what is there. Which is why I could watch Robert Redford movies and lust and my best friend watch and not lust. It is not what we see, it is how we process, what is within us the defines how we process, information received.
The question that opened this thread would be one used in a Second City skit to evince the concept of male narcissism at its zenith. It is comicly funny and there are writers who who regrt that they had not thought of that line.
There is a most legitmate question about how do those with visual impairments apprehend the things in life differently than we - but that was not what was asked.
Arousal comes in many ways, friend. Blindfold yourself next tiume you have sex and see if you lose the ability to be aroused bcause sight is not processed, while touch, taste, smell, and hearing yet operate. You may well find it enhanced because of the concentration on the other senses, not relying on sight to be a primary source of information. But again, that was not the original question.
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Nevermind.
I think the way the original question should have been phrased is something like, "How does a blind man discover that he's gay when he doesn't experience the visual images of naked/attractive men that flood the eyes of a person with sight? What triggers the realization for him?"
Frankly, it's a question I'd never pondered before, so now I'm curious. T-Zero, given that you've dated a blind man, did you ever have the discovery discussion with him? Most men are heavily visually stimulated (hence all the--pun intended--fucking porn on the net and elsewhere), so for a sight-impaired person, is it touch, scent, sound or something else completely that initiates the journey?
Frankly, it's a question I'd never pondered before, so now I'm curious. T-Zero, given that you've dated a blind man, did you ever have the discovery discussion with him? Most men are heavily visually stimulated (hence all the--pun intended--fucking porn on the net and elsewhere), so for a sight-impaired person, is it touch, scent, sound or something else completely that initiates the journey?
NedNickerson
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For those of you who think this is a dumb question, check out this thread:
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132883
Notice how many times the phrase "when I saw" is used...
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132883
Notice how many times the phrase "when I saw" is used...
NedNickerson
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Check out these links:
http://www.chanton.com/blindandgay.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blind-gay/
http://www.chanton.com/blindandgay.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blind-gay/
T, thanks for your input. My question hasn't really been answered, but then I'm not entirely sure it can be. I've gained insight from your words. I thank you for that.
Like you, I haven't spent much time contemplating the "whys" of my sexuality. Frankly, they don't matter to me. My sexual orientation is immutable as my eye color, if you follow, and worthy of just as much contemplation. I guess I'm just one of those people who is totally intrigued by the thought patterns of other people. They whys and hows of the discoveries, decisions and choices they make. "Ah-ha moments" just completely fascinate me.
Like you, I haven't spent much time contemplating the "whys" of my sexuality. Frankly, they don't matter to me. My sexual orientation is immutable as my eye color, if you follow, and worthy of just as much contemplation. I guess I'm just one of those people who is totally intrigued by the thought patterns of other people. They whys and hows of the discoveries, decisions and choices they make. "Ah-ha moments" just completely fascinate me.
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I think that's the original poster's point. That it would have to be nonvisual and he wondered how that would work.
My first gay feelings were triggered by the boys in jr high taking their shirts off to play Basketball. In fact, it was may years before I ever touched a guy sexually and found out I like touching as much as looking.
I agree. That shows intelligence. The way the question was asked definately led to some questioning about the intelligence of the poster. The person in question never wondered how the blind know they're straight...
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^^^The way it was responded to leads to the same questioning, the more one is inclined to such questions.
Why shouldn't our first question be about the question?
We don't know what sort of level of English usage is involved.
We don't know that the questioner doesn't know; even if he knows quite a lot, scientists who have studied it quite a lot are still puzzled about just what it all involves...
Why shouldn't our first question be about the question?
We don't know what sort of level of English usage is involved.
We don't know that the questioner doesn't know; even if he knows quite a lot, scientists who have studied it quite a lot are still puzzled about just what it all involves...