Can you be trans-racial?

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https://ca.shine.yahoo.com/can-rach...or-is-white-privilege-to-blame-130545887.html

“This description … makes sense when describing both trans men and trans women, meaning that it fits equally well regardless of direction. Applying this concept to race makes little sense to me. ‘Trans’ refers to a lack of fit between biology and identity, but there is no biology involved in race.”

In technical term- no but the logic is reciprocal here (could substitute one another) perfectly in sync, especially once I know Mrs.Dolezal past crayon paintings ..altough her case might annoy the heck of transgender community.
But if that makes sense, why not? ^^

 

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“This is a dumb thing to say. Don’t say this,” tweeted Citizen Radio’s Allison Kilkenny of those arguing that if it is possible to be transgender, it is just as possible for Dolezal to be transracial. “Trans women are women. What #RachelDolezal did is blackface.”

Meh, that sounds more like damage control for me

 

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In technical term- no but the logic is reciprocal here (could substitute one another) perfectly in sync, especially once I know Mrs.Dolezal past crayon paintings ..altough her case might annoy the heck of transgender community.
But if that makes sense, why not? ^^

This statement doesn't make any sense JP. If you agree there isn't biology to race, then there's no way to say the two situations are reciprocal or analogous. It's like saying "if you can be homosexual, then I can be trans-cultural." It's two completely different natures of difference in identity. One has a definitively biological signature which affects identity. The other doesn't.

 

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It's funny how when a white woman lies about being black, the world has a discussion about the possibility of being trans-racial.
If a black person said they identified more as white, there would be accusations of self-loathing and shame. And rightly so.

That because white (caucasian) is the leader of "human race" even I admit that ^^,

but it's up to each individual whether one wants to worship or not

 

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This statement doesn't make any sense JP. If you agree there isn't biology to race, then there's no way to say the two situations are reciprocal or analogous. It's like saying "if you can be homosexual, then I can be trans-cultural." It's two completely different natures of difference in identity. One has a definitively biological signature which affects identity. The other doesn't.

That because I dont believe what you say here:

Precisely right. There are many different components to what is socially recognized as race, few groups share exactly the same criteria: some involve legal category components, political or nationality components, religious components or geographical components. Many people would watercooler define it as visual skin tone or blood quantums, but these are not universal markers either, even within a given group.

I might believe you if I'm biracial or not staying in United States..^^
It seems the reality out there isn't work that way..^^ The majority volume speaks and how about rl application?

I respect your opinion, because if more people think like you then the world would become a better place..but

in US she's a dead meat

 

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That because I dont believe what you say here:

I might believe you if I live you if I'm biracial or not staying in United States..^^
It seems the reality out there isn't work that way..^^ The majority volume speaks and how about rl application?

I respect your opinion, because if more people think like you then the world would become a better place..but

in US she's a dead meat

I seriously don't understand what you are saying.

 

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no, you cannot be trans-racial, and obviously this woman has some very deep-seeded issues that she's working through. I don't excuse what she did, although aside from making an ass of herself, I don't think she's really done any real harm and I'll admit that it's certainly made us confront cultural appropriation.

This..because it close to what I observe from rl experience..~~

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I seriously don't understand what you are saying.

like I dont understand luckynumbah- so we better stop here ^^

 

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This..because it close to what I observe from rl experience..~~

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like I dont understand luckynumbah- so we better stop here ^^

Oh actually there was a typo- there I just fixed it.

 

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I might believe you if I'm biracial or not staying in United States..^^
It seems the reality out there isn't work that way..^^ The majority volume speaks and how about rl application?

I am biracial and in the United States.

Maybe you can be specific about what you "didn't believe", exactly. "I don't believe this sorry in US she's dead meat" doesn't exactly tell me anything.

 

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about rl life experience: Sunday, I was at teriyaki restaurant, enjoying my teriyaki when this news flash in front my eyes from mounted tv.
"Rachel Dolezal controversy" In front of me, there were caucasian couples and mexican workers sitting on their dine watching the news. The mexican workers just smirked but continue eating..like it's not their business, but the caucasian couples (man and woman) the woman clearly gasped when she watched the news, the guy just shrug but Im positive they look at Rachel Dolezal with disdain.

 

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about rl life experience: Sunday, I was at teriyaki restaurant, enjoying my teriyaki when this news flash in front my eyes from mounted tv.
"Rachel Dolezal controversy" In front of me, there were caucasian couples and mexican workers sitting on their dine watching the news. The mexican workers just smirked but continue eating..like it's not their business, but the caucasian couples (man and woman) the woman clearly gasped when she watched the news, the guy just shrug but Im positive they look at Rachel Dolezal with disdain.

Well this story doesn't surprise me, but what part about it do you think corresponds to something I said?

 

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I am biracial and in the United States.

Maybe you can be specific about what you "didn't believe", exactly. "I don't believe this sorry in US she's dead meat" doesn't exactly tell me anything.

ok- you type so fast, lemme finish my story first

 

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about rl life experience: Sunday, I was at teriyaki restaurant, enjoying my teriyaki when this news flash in front my eyes from mounted tv.
"Rachel Dolezal controversy" In front of me, there were caucasian couples and mexican workers sitting on their dine watching the news. The mexican workers just smirked but continue eating..like it's not their business, but the caucasian couples (man and woman) the woman clearly gasped when she watched the news, the guy just shrug but Im positive they look at Rachel Dolezal with disdain.

That proves whether we're human or animals- something just dont change- you can't act outside your tribe without approval from responsible party.

If a hyena act like a lion- he prolly killed by his peers..and the lion might not want to dealing with him..human are more advanced animals-- but no matter how high our altruism settle, the tribe is exist.

 

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I am biracial and in the United States.

Maybe you can be specific about what you "didn't believe", exactly. "I don't believe this sorry in US she's dead meat" doesn't exactly tell me anything.

Yes, you're biracial- biracial people tend to think boundary do not exist..^^ although living in United States could make you somewhat a crusader for your idea

 

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That proves whether we're human or animals- something just dont change- you can't act outside your tribe without approval from responsible party.
If a hyena act like a lion- he prolly killed by his peers..and the lion might not want to dealing with him..human are more advanced animals-- but no matter how high our altruism settle, the tribe is exist.

I still can't say you're being really clear, but if anything, what you're saying is that people do acknowledge, and act around, unspoken rules and separations by race.

So I'm still left wondering what you disagree with me about, lol.

Also shame on you for eating teriyaki.

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Yes, you're biracial- biracial people tend to think boundary do not exist..^^ although living in United States could make you somewhat a crusader for your idea

So you're saying there actually is a hard, biological, nature-determined difference between humans of other races, that you believe is there, and which I do not believe is there?

 

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I still can't say you're being really clear, but if anything, what you're saying is that people do acknowledge, and act around, unspoken rules and separations by race.

So I'm still left wondering what you disagree with me about, lol.

I respect your opinion, because if more people think like you then the world would become a better place..but US is not ready for your idea (race what race? Doop de doo!)it's not because it's truly adjacent with transgender cause, but because racial relation in US had been painted with blood..if we were all came from teletubby flying saucer, only different skin colors..maybe it won't turn out intense like this.

Also shame on you for eating teriyaki.

Teriyaki is awesome sauce!

 

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I respect your opinion, because if more people think like you then the world would become a better place..but US is not ready for your idea (race what race? Doop de doo!)it's not because it's truly adjacent with transgender cause, but because racial relation in US had been painted with blood..if we were all came from teletubby flying saucer, only different skin colors..maybe it won't turn out intense like this.

If you're saying that plenty of people really do live and breathe the idea that there are innate, hard differences by race-- i.e., "blacks are less intelligent, more prone to crime", or "Mexicans are more criminal and lazy" or similar... we definitely agree that's out there. But that's pretty different from saying "so actually the innate difference is real, and race is exactly like gender."

Teriyaki is awesome sauce!

Do you order a coke with your azn food?

 

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If you're saying that plenty of people really do live and breathe the idea that there are innate, hard differences by race-- i.e., "blacks are less intelligent, more prone to crime", or "Mexicans are more criminal and lazy" or similar... we definitely agree that's out there. But that's pretty different from saying "so actually the innate difference is real, and race is exactly like gender."

Individual tribe could act and behave like other tribes since they're the same, a part of giant human race. But the tribe exist and because the tribe is sooo concentrated in US, that's why I said that we can even drawn a similar conclusion with trasgenderism? (am I using the right term?) ..because race is almost as thick as biological ^^ USA thinking

Do you order a coke with your azn food?

Always hot tea ^^

 

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If Im biracial, buzzer or live in Singapore- a country with 3 different major ethicities working together harmoniously building a country--- then my race would be Singapore, not asian.

 

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If Im biracial, buzzer or live in Singapore- a country with 3 different major ethicities working together harmoniously building a country--- then my race would be Singapore, not asian.

It is true that ethnic lines can relax and blur away--- mostly (actually, almost exclusively) for ethnicities that already look relatively alike. And especially when those differences become, in social perception, less important as more radically different people enter society. For a very long time in the U.S., Irish and Italian were very much informally considered nonwhite by the native-born mainstream, and that was a not uncommon idea in the UK and parts of Europe as well. And those hard distinctions lost their relevancy over time as American whites drew a hard line in between "white" and "black", or "White" and "Indian", or "white" and "Chinese."

But, at the same time, ethnicity is not the same thing as race. A race may be made up of ENORMOUS amounts of different ethnicties. African-Americans are not the same ethnic group as South Africans or aboriginal Australians. Most people in the world would still recognize any individual from the three groups as "black."