Can you be trans-racial?

[JPGhost]

Samples of transracials ^^
https://youtu.be/tg1kfdDfpVc
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...surgery-achieve-convincing-Oriental-look.html

Holy surgery!

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go away from asian tribe- go away traitor..

 

[JPGhost]

It is true that ethnic lines can relax and blur away--- mostly (actually, almost exclusively) for ethnicities that already look relatively alike. And especially when those differences become, in social perception, less important as more radically different people enter society. For a very long time in the U.S., Irish and Italian were very much informally considered nonwhite by the native-born mainstream, and that was a not uncommon idea in the UK and parts of Europe as well. And those hard distinctions lost their relevancy over time as American whites drew a hard line in between "white" and "black", or "White" and "Indian", or "white" and "Chinese."

I do believe that idea..and I know that already. I knew that Italian and Irish had been in and out from the main tribe- once back in a day, but it doesn't matter, they will join anyway..even Jews can be considered white.

But, at the same time, ethnicity is not the same thing as race. A race may be made up of ENORMOUS amounts of different ethnicties. African-Americans are not the same ethnic group as South Africans or aboriginal Australians. Most people in the world would still recognize any individual from the three groups as "black."

add Papua and AMbonese people from East Indonesia to complete the look

 

[otters]

IMHO, in the aforementioned case of Ms Dolezal, I find it difficult to judge her that simply that she would have voluntarily practiced "wrongful appropriation": Actually, I'd like to read statements of Ms Dolezal's adopted siblings.

Perhaps the (well, also a bit awkward) term "xenophilia" may help in this context?

I know that racism and xenophobia aren't identical; and the respective opposites, antiracism and xenophilia are also quite different.

Nevertheless, I presume that people who apparently experience themselves as "transracial" may be in fact experiencing some kind of (overeager) xenophilia?

 

[gsdx]

That proves whether we're human or animals- something just dont change

And one of those things that don't change is race. You can identify another race, but you can't become it. Grey Owl might have identified with being a person of the First Nations, and he might have pretended to be and passed himself off as one, but he never, ever, stopped being Caucasian.

Dolezal might identify with being black, but she will never, ever, be it.

 

[Taz]

This "trans-racial" idea only works on the assumptions that races are inherently different. That's not true, ruling out genetic markers like skin tone. All people are exactly the bloody same.

I think this woman, and many other are confusing race with culture, and the good news for them is, you don't need to change your race to participate in another culture. Just live and surround yourself with that culture.

 

[MorrisseyX]

This lady is a racist and I am surprised people do not see that. She appropriated African American culture for personal gain. It is always intetesting to see these wiggers like chet haze or rachel dolezal use blackness when it suits them. Cher is correct they think being black is cool. But unlike real black people they can stop pretending to be black and return to whiteness. This clown taught black studies and she mentored students. In fact a hispanic student has complained about the negative treatment from this lady. She lied about being a victim of hate crimes. She should be arrested and charged with fraud. I applaud her parents for outing this freak.

 

[mbamike]

How are you defining race? I think Taz has hit the proverbial "nail on the head." We are all the same regardless of external appearances. It's more about which culture one is more comfortable.

I am as "white" as one can get. Blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin. Yet, my great-grandfather was a malatto. I feel more comfortable around black people.

So, can a white/Caucasian person embrace the black culture and be accepted within that culture? What about the opposite? Can a black person embrace the white culture and be accepted within that culture?

Bi-racial people are all around us. Are they to pick which culture with which they identify? Can't they embrace both?

 

[MorrisseyX]

How are you defining race? I think Taz has hit the proverbial "nail on the head." We are all the same regardless of external appearances. It's more about which culture one is more comfortable.

I am as "white" as one can get. Blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin. Yet, my great-grandfather was a malatto. I feel more comfortable around black people.

So, can a white/Caucasian person embrace the black culture and be accepted within that culture? What about the opposite? Can a black person embrace the white culture and be accepted within that culture?

Bi-racial people are all around us. Are they to pick which culture with which they identify? Can't they embrace both?

No we are not the same and never ever will be the same. You ignore the issue of white privilege. White people like rachel dolezal and chet haze use blackness like it is a t shirt. They think black is cool but they do not want the burden of the consequences of being black. You are attempting to erase history and the white supremacist world we lived in. Unlike you I cannot ignore the past because it informs the present. Rachel dolezal is a typical white person she appropriated black culture like many white people do for personal gain. This cow certainly was not black when she whined and cried she was a victim of racism at Howard university. The smoking gun exposed this fraud artist and she lost her case against the university. When Dolezal had her white identity she cried that black people discriminated against her. Talib Kweli is correct this cow is a racist and the enemy.

 

[nycguydowntown]

Agree with lot's of what Morrissey X has said---one black commentator Melissa Harris Perry--(who I can take or leave, not a big fan)---did a long interview with this woman and empathized with her they both speak in that mumbo jumbo pc bullshit speak that no one can understand---Perry is biracial so she said she can relate to her.

 

[xbuzzerx]

How are you defining race? I think Taz has hit the proverbial "nail on the head." We are all the same regardless of external appearances. It's more about which culture one is more comfortable.

I am as "white" as one can get. Blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin. Yet, my great-grandfather was a malatto. I feel more comfortable around black people.

So, can a white/Caucasian person embrace the black culture and be accepted within that culture? What about the opposite? Can a black person embrace the white culture and be accepted within that culture?

Bi-racial people are all around us. Are they to pick which culture with which they identify? Can't they embrace both?

You are redefining culture as race.

As pretty (and as scientifically true) as the claim may be that "race doesn't even really exist", it's a social reality in our world and has been for centuries. And it is NOT culture. People who do not like your race are going to find a way to let you know that very clearly regardless of which "culture" you embrace, even if it's theirs.

My race is multiracial, or I could list each of them. Either is completely valid in my mind. It's another white western idea that you can only have one checkmark on the box or have to "just pick one group if you have more than one." That's certainly the mentality that is extremely clear when they come up to someone of a not completely clear racial background and ask, "What are you?" And the fact that mixed race or more than one race was only formally added to things like census and other official forms in relatively recent years-- and the category immediately boomed in size when it was added. Those people had simply been forced to arbitrarily "pick one group" before as far as official stats were concerned.

To acknowledge that there is no biologically valid basis for (biological racism conceptions of) race is 100% correct. To stop there and then say "therefore we shouldn't even countenance the idea of race at all" is grotesquely dismissive of a sociological reality where race is a living, breathing, daily social reality. It is just a flowery version of the color-blind mentality which itself empowers racism in society by insisting "well that didn't happen to you because you were black... you just dealt with a jerk, that's all."

 

[Taz]

No we are not the same and never ever will be the same. You ignore the issue of white privilege.

That a part of your culture mate. It exists where you live, not everywhere on the planet.

You are redefining culture as race.

As pretty (and as scientifically true) as the claim may be that "race doesn't even really exist", it's a social reality in our world and has been for centuries. And it is NOT culture. People who do not like your race are going to find a way to let you know that very clearly regardless of which "culture" you embrace, even if it's theirs.

Culture is defined as social behaviors, constructs, and customs of societies. So of course the way people relate to each other is based on culture. Social reality is culture.

People are not predisposed to acting in a certain way because of their skin colour. Adoptive children are all the proof you need of that.

 

[xbuzzerx]

That a part of your culture mate. It exists where you live, not everywhere on the planet.



Culture is defined as social behaviors, constructs, and customs of societies. So of course the way people relate to each other is based on culture. Social reality is culture.

People are not predisposed to acting in a certain way because of their skin colour. Adoptive children are all the proof you need of that.

My post doesn't imply otherwise. What my post says is that race is going to intersect people whether or not "you believe" race determines anything of significance about them-- and you are correct that it doesn't.

"It's not race I have a problem with, it's your culture I don't like" is often a hiding place for racists. You know as well as I do there are plenty of Australians who don't want Japanese or Southeast Asians in Australia, and can't stand aboriginals, no matter how educated or culturally Australian they may or may not be.

 

[MorrisseyX]

That a part of your culture mate. It exists where you live, not everywhere on the planet.



Culture is defined as social behaviors, constructs, and customs of societies. So of course the way people relate to each other is based on culture. Social reality is culture.

People are not predisposed to acting in a certain way because of their skin colour. Adoptive children are all the proof you need of that.

And a lot of adoptive children are messed up because they are confused about their racial identity. The truth is whether people like it or not your race is beyond your control. People will categorize you based on appearance whether you like it or not.

 

[MorrisseyX]

That a part of your culture mate. It exists where you live, not everywhere on the planet.



Culture is defined as social behaviors, constructs, and customs of societies. So of course the way people relate to each other is based on culture. Social reality is culture.

People are not predisposed to acting in a certain way because of their skin colour. Adoptive children are all the proof you need of that.

White privilege is everywhere because we live in a white supremacist planet. The white culture has invaded all cultures across the globe.

 

[Cormac135]

She's lived da life tho'

 

[Essex Boy]

I have had an epiphany! I now know my true identity! Henceforth I'm identifying as trans-age: I'm really a fresh-faced twenty-two-year-old twink trapped in the body of an old git.

 

[Taz]

My post doesn't imply otherwise. What my post says is that race is going to intersect people whether or not "you believe" race determines anything of significance about them-- and you are correct that it doesn't.

"It's not race I have a problem with, it's your culture I don't like" is often a hiding place for racists. You know as well as I do there are plenty of Australians who don't want Japanese or Southeast Asians in Australia, and can't stand aboriginals, no matter how educated or culturally Australian they may or may not be.

I don't think you understand what is meant by culture. The bolded section is nonsense.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I don't think you understand what is meant by culture. The bolded section is nonsense.

Well if that's how you feel I have no idea what you think culture means. Because you are dismissing race as a non-factor and saying people can behave culturally any way they choose/want-- which is true, and I agree with.

That doesn't change anyone's race, and one's choice of culture doesn't change their race. And people are still going to see and recognize your race regardless of your culture.

 

[mikey3000]

http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/

This "trans-racial" idea only works on the assumptions that races are inherently different. That's not true, ruling out genetic markers like skin tone. All people are exactly the bloody same.

I think this woman, and many other are confusing race with culture, and the good news for them is, you don't need to change your race to participate in another culture. Just live and surround yourself with that culture.

Many learned scientists differ with your position.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Don't be obtuse, Mike. It's not becoming, and, say, as an example, those monks who have an easier time breathing at high altitudes or a higher rate of a hereditary disease I can't remember the name of in a specific subset of Iranian people are the things those learned scientist are referencing. Which has shit-all to do with this discussion.