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Can you smell spring yet?

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  • Yes

    Votes: 27 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 17 32.1%

  • What?

    Votes: 5 9.4%

  • Bleh

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • Total voters
    53
yes, I was having the same difficulties for Andromaque, very few choices possible :(

You can find hundred of clips on You-tube for "Friday, Friday", but for Racine theatre, very precious little, shameful :(

On another note, for the Western civilization, I wish I was lucky (or hard working) enough to be able to read in their own language Shakespeare, Racine, Cervantes, Dante and Goethe, the five European wonders of my taste.
 
refujiunderground said:
no, man. no offense but i know that this is supposed to be art and theater but i just don't get it. the first clip had me laughing. the second clip actually scared me. i imagine that this is what is going to happen when the world ends. a bunch of zombies dancing around doing ballerina kicks at all of us running for our lives with some scary orchestra music playing in the background. thank you for showing me what doomsday looks like.

sorry, if i didn't make any sense with what i said.
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I find it well put. And I tend to agree.

alfaPA said:
Yes, and it reeks of skunk cabbage blooms:mrgreen:

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I fell into a patch of those once.
 
Kulindahr said:
I find it well put. And I tend to agree.
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Oh please, just say that you simply don't like it. Every time people say something is too good, or too pretentious, or decadent, or whatever, they are only saying that they don't like it, and feel the need to justify something about which they have never reflected before, and they end up praising and condemning what others condemn and praise in the exact same terms, and the only element which doesn't remain confuse in the whole business is the force and the conviction of their own feelings. It can be said of Stravinsky's or Béjart's work WITH THE EXACT SAME LOGIC OF REASONING what can be said of Bob Dylan or line dance.

I still think refuj's #4 had been describing post #6 of this thread :mrgreen:
 
The first clip in the OP is very powerful for me. It's the power of discovery, the energy produced when differences collide.
The beginning is the slow awakening, and after the first confrontation, it's more and more powerful, leading to the fusion of the different to lead to something else, new. Perfect representation of Spring for me.

The second clip is the same, with more details, more articulate. (I commented the first before seen the second)
 
belamo said:
Oh please, just say that you simply don't like it. Every time people say something is too good, or too pretentious, or decadent, or whatever, they are only saying that they don't like it, and feel the need to justify something about which they have never reflected before, and they end up praising and condemning what others condemn and praise in the exact same terms, and the only element which doesn't remain confuse in the whole business is the force and the conviction of their own feelings. It can be said of Stravinsky's or Béjart's work WITH THE EXACT SAME LOGIC OF REASONING what can be said of Bob Dylan or line dance.

I still think refuj's #4 had been describing post #6 of this thread :mrgreen:
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So in your book, if I laugh at something, or find something disgusting, or can't connect even with how it's supposed to be art, I'm not supposed to make any rational observations at all, just say, "I don't like it".

If they did the same thing to Dylan, I'd laugh at it, too. I love the piece -- but what they did with the choreography (very little of that counted as dance) was more funny than anything. And that's true to a great extent because I though it belittled the work and limited it, in a rather tacky manner.
 
It's great to have different views of art pieces :)
For me it added power to the piece, but if you felt nothing, it's your right. Art is emotion, and very personal. Arguing about which feeling a piece of art should someone experience is stupid and a nonsense for me :)
 
Kulindahr said:
So in your book, if I laugh at something, or find something disgusting, or can't connect even with how it's supposed to be art, I'm not supposed to make any rational observations at all, just say, "I don't like it".

If they did the same thing to Dylan, I'd laugh at it, too. I love the piece -- but what they did with the choreography (very little of that counted as dance) was more funny than anything. And that's true to a great extent because I though it belittled the work and limited it, in a rather tacky manner.
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What you are not expected to do (but hey, you are ultimately allowed to yourself to do as you and what you please) is to pretend that you are making "rational observations", when what you are doing in fact amounts to simply saying "I don't like it". That's what is in our book.
About your opinion about the dancing, I totally agree, but that's general to dance in the Western world general: choreographies are almost, if not absolutely always, inferior in their development to the possibilities of the scores they are paired with... even when they are rather good in themselves, they simply don't match the pieces, and that goes from Petipa to Béjart or even Beyoncé dancing to her own music.
 
I've always associated the Stravinsky piece with the power of spring storms and the contrast between the violence of thunder and lightning and the emerging buds and shoots. I'd love to see a video done to it with the storms we had here the other day: lightning and thunder right over the ocean, with breakers slamming down on the beach hard enough to gouge rocks loose, waves throwing themselves against headlands to the wash and spray shot up ten or twenty meters, hailstones clacking against the pavement like gravel dumped from a cargo jet far above, branches ripped from trees to land a mile away... and in the middle of it, a single crocus grinding and thrusting its way up through the winter's accumulated debris to present its blossom to the hidden sun.
 
Kulindahr said:
I've always associated the Stravinsky piece with the power of spring storms and the contrast between the violence of thunder and lightning and the emerging buds and shoots. I'd love to see a video done to it with the storms we had here the other day: lightning and thunder right over the ocean, with breakers slamming down on the beach hard enough to gouge rocks loose, waves throwing themselves against headlands to the wash and spray shot up ten or twenty meters, hailstones clacking against the pavement like gravel dumped from a cargo jet far above, branches ripped from trees to land a mile away... and in the middle of it, a single crocus grinding and thrusting its way up through the winter's accumulated debris to present its blossom to the hidden sun.
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I have always associated the concept of "cinema" with images in strongly regular rhythmic succession telling a story, rather than just people being photographed moving their lips or/and thundering actions being coupled with the same soundtrack composed over and over again by different musicians. So...
 
My Crocuses, Lilly Of The Valley, Hyacinth amd Hostas are all comming up, and I'm in Canada. They are so confused.
 
not yet... we might this week when the temps will be in the 50's..
 
Crisp, sunny, blue skies with a crust of brownish pollution, cold heat, hot cold... wonderful spring weather.
 
Kulindahr said:
Spring?

Last night we got hail, followed by sleet, followed by snow, then the skies cleared and everything froze solid.
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Yeah but you live in the waiting room of fucking North Pole, you are telling us such shocking news... :roll:

Chilly hot cold, Coldy chilly heat... wonderful, wonderful weather... I didn't comment on it (why should I, isn't it) but last week I was sick like I hadn't been in years... so this wonderful wonderful spring weather in March is now taking the lead conspiring against me.
 
It is 75° F with bright sunshine now!

I need to get outside ASAP!
 
belamo said:
Yeah but you live in the waiting room of fucking North Pole, you are telling us such shocking news... :roll:

Chilly hot cold, Coldy chilly heat... wonderful, wonderful weather... I didn't comment on it (why should I, isn't it) but last week I was sick like I hadn't been in years... so this wonderful wonderful spring weather in March is now taking the lead conspiring against me.
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I'm across the street from that waiting room.

On average it snows here a bit more than once a year, and stays long enough that someone working indoors between breakfast and lunch could miss it. Our average high right now is 54 F.

And no one here remembers the last time we had hailstorms with lightning and thunder followed by sleet coming down like from a giant salt shaker, followed by snow just thick enough to make it all look like snow.
 
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