Cantor: Wall street Mob a vast left wing conspiracy

[Kulindahr]

Did you even read it?

If you read it, why did you miss that I did? I quoted the words union people themselves used about the situation. You clipped a couple of small bits out of context and tried to make them go against the entire spirit of the article.

I suppose you just let the lying title aim your thinking and went from there. When I was writing course theses (like a term paper, but for an entire year) I learned really fast to ignore the titles of articles, as they're often written by publishers or editors trying to get readers to take a look.

 

[JB3]

If you read it, why did you miss that I did? I quoted the words union people themselves used about the situation. You clipped a couple of small bits out of context and tried to make them go against the entire spirit of the article.

I suppose you just let the lying title aim your thinking and went from there. When I was writing course theses (like a term paper, but for an entire year) I learned really fast to ignore the titles of articles, as they're often written by publishers or editors trying to get readers to take a look.

The entire spirit of the article is that the protestors are now being helped by the unions. Its the same type of support the tea partiers got before they were co-opted.

 

[JB3]

^ He did read it, and the excerpts you mentioned in your subsequent post do not mention funding. The unions are donating food and offering services, but they are not creating bank accounts and depositing cash for a movement that doesn't even have a unified leadership yet.

So food is free now?

Even if the unions offer more support in the future, so what? Aren't some of the same goals in alignment with the protest movement? You mention unions as if it's an ugly word. I'm not sure why "corporation" gets the same pass. Unions aren't perfect, but they are made up of and do serve the workers they are organized under.

Its the same problem that the tea partiers have. The moment they allow themselves to be infiltrated by the unions, that all have their own political agenda that many of these people would disdain, they don't become 'agents of change', they just become another arm of the beast.

For example, people complain about teacher unions, but forget that teacher unions are completely made up of... well, teachers.

Funny thing you mention teacher's unions; more often than not they work AGAINST the best interests of the teachers. Like choosing viagra over the jobs of a hundred teachers. Or refusing reasonable raises in favor of obscene ones, in the middle of a recession.

The problem with the Tea Party is it was a fiscally conservative movement that was hijacked by corporate interests. It has sense faded into a sub-culture of the Republican party and lacks any real purpose or sensibility.

Hopefully the 99% protest movement (which you are a part of that 99%) will mature into a clearer and more effective purpose.

I will agree with you on that last part. I also hope they shrug off any continued attempts at Union, or any other existing political organization's, attempts at infiltration. If they do not, its just going to be more wasted effort.

 

[Kulindahr]

^ What's this "infiltration" business? There's nothing to indicate any unions are trying to take over.

 

[Just_Believe18]

So food is free now?

Its the same problem that the tea partiers have. The moment they allow themselves to be infiltrated by the unions, that all have their own political agenda that many of these people would disdain, they don't become 'agents of change', they just become another arm of the beast.

Funny thing you mention teacher's unions; more often than not they work AGAINST the best interests of the teachers. Like choosing viagra over the jobs of a hundred teachers. Or refusing reasonable raises in favor of obscene ones, in the middle of a recession.

I will agree with you on that last part. I also hope they shrug off any continued attempts at Union, or any other existing political organization's, attempts at infiltration. If they do not, its just going to be more wasted effort.

1. No, but there is a difference between providing food as a gesture of good will vs. funding salaries, accounts, and an infrastructure.

2. There is no infiltration issue here. It is far too early to criticize a growing movement and to dismiss the legitimate concerns of citizens as some kind of mob.

3. This paragraph illustrates to me that you have no idea what is going on with public funding of education, nor do you have any concept of how a teacher union operates. First of all, it is a democratically elected body. Teachers vote in teachers to positions of leadership within the union. There are state and national conventions where educators gather together to democratically decide legislation and resolutions. If you want to compare teacher's union to a corporation, the union is far more inclusive and democratic where more voices are heard and expressed. As for this recession, go to most any district in the country, and no state is offering "reasonable raises." Teachers are being asked to accept across the board salary cuts and to take on more students in already overcrowded classrooms. This recession has been devastating for America's classrooms.

 

[Jack Springer]

Getting nasty Kuli. Get up on the wrong side of bed?

By that "reasoning", you're nothing but a pile of dirt, because everything you eat came from the dirt.

 

[JayHawk]

This is going to keep growing.

Unfortunately I don't agree. Because I believe we need to remove the corruption by removing corporate america from our politics. This will slowly be crushed and pulled apart. I would be surprised if anything occupational was around in about 30 days after the killing frost arrives in the North East.

Getting nasty Kuli. Get up on the wrong side of bed?

He is making a statement that according to your logic you are made of dirt because your food is grown there and you eat food. That is not nasty or being nasty. If it is wrong to make such a direct uncompromising connection then why do you find it okay in your description of the Occupy folks?

 

[texpatriot]

Getting nasty Kuli. Get up on the wrong side of bed?

Not me!

 

[cocksucker4use]

You don't know — or have forgotten — your own country's history.

Google Bonus Army, veterans of the First World War, starving and penniless, along with their families, in the absolute depth of the Depression in 1932, and what the government and military did to them.

And if you believe it couldn't/wouldn't happen now, think again. It would be much, much worse; in today's U.S., Herbert Hoover would be a commie.

The young lieutenant to led the troops that fired on starving veterans was Dwight David Eisenhower. Go figure.

 

[BostonPirate]

Anybody that thinks snow is going to stop a new yorker or a bostonian, has no idea of how accustomed we are of spending time in the snow. It wont matter.

The more the Corporations are protected, the more the angry mob will become agitated.

Thats just where we are right now as a nation.

The subterfuge wont change that, but legislation that actually benefits the middle class just might.

what a concept. Legislators legislating.

 

[White Eagle]

Are you gonna be at your Occupy?

 

[cocksucker4use]

Wall Street Mob: Cantor is part of vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

The "pitting Americans against Americans" is an interesting comment. The 1% of Americans who control 50% of the wealth are more American than the 80% of us left with 15% of the wealth...of OUR great nation? About 50 million Americans live in poverty. BUT our elected representatives are hell-bent on protecting that top 1%. The contributors. George Dubyas base. The elites. The oligarchs. The HAVES. The other 99% of us can go fuck ourselves because we're lazy assholes who got into debt, fucked off and lost our jobs, bought houses we couldn't afford and got foreclosed and now are whining because we are left with nothing in the midst of shameless affluence created from our suffering. WHO sent us credit cards in the mail? WHO bought the company we worked for and sold it off and outsourced our jobs to Asia because its more profitable? WHO robbed our pension funds to fill in their balance sheet? WHO killed whole industries and have made us a tenuous service-based economy? Who gave us first and second mortgages knowing we didn't qualify and then refused to refinance and foreclosed because they get the insurance on the loan, AND sell the property AND take the write off? Who needed to generate more and more subprime loans so they could bundle them and sell them in Europe? As the world imploded around 99% of us, WHO got multimillion dollar bonuses with federal bailout money for wrecking the fucking WORLD economy? WHO? The people who PROFITED and MADE money without ever a concern for what the impact would be on the Americans they were fucking time and again on all levels while OUR government officials -- the ones THEY bought and paid for -- did nothing but legislate against consumers and cut taxes for the very rich to promote prosperity.PROSPERITY? OMFG. In our democracy, under our Constitution, which includes our Bill of Rights, we have a right to public assembly and we have Freedom of Speech. We can clench our fists in rightful anger at the hijacking of our system of government which should protect us, but has purposefully disenfranchised the many for the profit of the few. That's the Right Wing Conspiracy.

 

[BostonPirate]

Are you gonna be at your Occupy?

I have assisted the Boston movement in some private meetings on friday. A colleague of mine went down on friday.

Thats a bit complicated at this point.

I will after I get a few things done.

 

[Kulindahr]

He is making a statement that according to your logic you are made of dirt because your food is grown there and you eat food. That is not nasty or being nasty. If it is wrong to make such a direct uncompromising connection then why do you find it okay in your description of the Occupy folks?

Nice to hear from someone who isn't cognitively challenged.

Cracks in the Force, Luke.

Some of the "new blood' that article talks about is needed -- if the occupiers are tolerating anti-Semitic stuff, they need some discipline and coaching.

 

[Kulindahr]

The young lieutenant to led the troops that fired on starving veterans was Dwight David Eisenhower. Go figure.

Put the blame where it belongs: a certain Gen. Douglas MacArthur disobeyed a direct order from his commander-in-chief, and continued an attack that had until then inflicted only wounds.

And MacArthur was there personally, despite the fact that both Eisenhower (he was higher than lieutenant by then, I think) and Patton (a major, commanding tanks!) told him the head of the Army shouldn't be commanding something like that.

MacArthur was always a hothead; Eisenhower was so by-the-book the would have done absolutely nothing more than his orders, which were to get the camp removed.

 

[mbamike]

I don't think Cantor, the Republicans or the Wall Street bankers get it. Their greed has wrecked this economy.

All I want is a job!

 

[JB3]

3. This paragraph illustrates to me that you have no idea what is going on with public funding of education, nor do you have any concept of how a teacher union operates. First of all, it is a democratically elected body. Teachers vote in teachers to positions of leadership within the union. There are state and national conventions where educators gather together to democratically decide legislation and resolutions. If you want to compare teacher's union to a corporation, the union is far more inclusive and democratic where more voices are heard and expressed. As for this recession, go to most any district in the country, and no state is offering "reasonable raises." Teachers are being asked to accept across the board salary cuts and to take on more students in already overcrowded classrooms. This recession has been devastating for America's classrooms.

You're talking to a teacher..

When a teacher's union authorizes a strike because their district will not give them a 5% raise in the middle of a recession, they are not acting in the interests of the teachers or the students. When the teacher's union chooses viagra over jobs, they aren't acting in the interests of teachers. Unions used to care about students and educating; now they only care about pay and standing in the way of bettering education.

I am not aware of any district in the United States where teachers have been asked to take 'across the board' salary cuts, so that point is moot. At the very worst teachers have been asked to not take their scheduled raise, but that's it. You don't want to try and get into an argument with me about education funding, because it isn't an argument you can win.

 

[BostonPirate]

viagra over jobs.. what is that a scott walker quote or are you giving a nod to Bobdole.

Politics is not a bumper sticker. You are trying to say something odd, and as a money man I can smell it a mile off.

You are saying that people are to blame for losing their jobs because they want to be healthy, and have a quality of life that they have grown to expect as americans.

Either accept that you are now officially and permanently a second class citizen or you are selfish...

so whats it going to be? the pills or the rent? is that the best argument available now?

Things don't work that way.

 

[texpatriot]

I have assisted the Boston movement in some private meetings on friday. A colleague of mine went down on friday.

Yeah?

What/Who did your "colleague" go down on?

Thats a bit complicated at this point.

Don't leave us in the lurch, see I'm already speculating.

I will after I get a few things done.

She said breathlessly before she fainted.

Oh Boston Pirate! A man after my own jockstrap.

 

[Kulindahr]

Anybody that thinks snow is going to stop a new yorker or a bostonian, has no idea of how accustomed we are of spending time in the snow. It wont matter.

No kidding. If there's enough snow, they could be better off -- five igloos on six sides of a hexagon, an arch where the sixth would be, dome over the middle, you've got excellent protection from any weather. Someone who knows what he's doing can rig a kerosene heater with a chimney, and things are quite cozy.