Carl Rove An Atheist...

[corvuspirit]

Could it be that one of the most powerful men in America's most overtly religious political administration is actually an atheist? According to Christopher Hitchens, Rove is a non-believer.

In a recent interview with New York Magazine, Hitchens was asked whether anyone in the Bush administration has reported atheism. He replied,

"Well, I don’t talk that much to them—maybe people think I do. I know something which is known to few but is not a secret. Karl Rove is not a believer, and he doesn’t shout it from the rooftops, but when asked, he answers quite honestly. I think the way he puts it is, “I’m not fortunate enough to be a person of faith.”

Interesting. According to Hitchens, Bush is aware of Rove's lack of belief, however, he thinks this is unlikely to be an issue since Bush's own faith may be something less than sincere. Could it be that the pair rode to power simply because they were able to skillfully manipulate legions of uneducated Christians with gay marriage and abortion?

~There is a follow up to this piece below...sorry about any confusion~

 

[corvuspirit]

A search through NPR archives will find a story about him..He's a self-described agnostic. Also, very interesting here, his step father (who took care of him from a young age and loved him like a son) was gay. When he was dieing from a terminal illness Rove actually went to California and stayed with him through the end.

He said that he's done what he's done to win, the particulars of it are not that interesting to him...

 

[Roland00]

Both of this information was known to me prior to this post. With Rove the ends justify the means, no matter the means.

 

[iman]

It is not his lack of religion that is bothersome, it is his lack of morals and ethics.

 

[opinterph]

Book Exposes Karl Rove's Gay Link

by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff
September 5, 2006 - 3:00 pm ET


The Architect: Karl Rove and the Master Plan for Absolute Power

 

[iman]

No........

The correct answer is ---- Yes!

 

[josher]

The problem isn't that he's an atheist or an agnostic, it's that he's a fascist.

 

[corvuspirit]

i didn't post it because i felt it was a problem - i am an atheist after all...i just found it interesting since the bush white house is most usually linked to religion, that the mastermind behind it all is detached from the whole jesus thingy

 

[Roland00]

Wow! what a scary premise, that book.

If Rove actually plans for permanent establishment of the republican party in the White House, are elections a huge sham? Sometimes it feels like America is unrecognizable to what it used to be since this administration got in power.

Rove plan was not to rig elections per say (though some people accuse him of that) but to completely create loyalty to the republican party and decimate the democrat such that we will have effective one party rule in Washington (similar to how FDR created effectively 1 party rule with the new deal, sure occasionally republicans may get the pres and one house but the margins were razor tight and it was never for long)

His plan was to use the "Base" and such issues as gay marriage and terrorism as short term crowd gathers. With these political capital he gain from such issues he was trying to survive his what political capital losses he may experience for his long term goals.

To establish long term supremacy he was going to paint democrats as even more dovish than even democrats are.

Furthermore he was going to create loyalty in the younger generations by social security reform, a "culture of ownership" combine with "compassionate conservatism." (which included no child left behind, stem cells, and government funding of religious charities). This "culture of ownership" theory died with the failure of social security reform. (though Bush got his medical savings accounts threw). With the failure of social security reform Bush lost all political capitol from the elections to be used in domestic matters and effectively became a lame duck president. (A lame duck which furtherer exacerbated the US foreign policy by not fixing the problems of Iraq, not fixing Iraq didn't end the Bush presidency it did cause major problems for the Republican success in the immediate future.)

 

[letme]

What scares the Dems,is the fact that Rove has/had a vision,thought,cunning ,tact
and was/is smart enough to pull it all together.

The Dems only had Howard Dean and his shallow screams,and delusions of grandeurs.

 

[Roland00]

Can a moderator or the original poster also spell the title with the real name Karl Rove. I see it and the C is glaring back at me and its annoying.

 

[OtterJoq]

It was annoying me too. After all, if the guy's an atheist, he doesn't have long to fix the problem.

To really appeal to Bush's core constituency, he should spell it with 3 K's.

 

[iman]

What scares the Dems,is the fact that Rove has/had a vision,thought,cunning ,tact
and was/is smart enough to pull it all together.

The Dems only had Howard Dean and his shallow screams,and delusions of grandeurs.

What scares me is the fact that KKKarl (did I stutter?) found it so easy to push the racist, homophobic, nativist and paranoia buttons of American voters.

Actually, Howard Dean didn't do too badly in the last election.

 

[OtterJoq]

What scares me is the fact that KKKarl (did I stutter?) found it so easy to push the racist, homophobic, nativist and paranoia buttons of American voters.

Actually, Howard Dean didn't do too badly in the last election.

How did Howard's yell differ in any way from what you hear every day from coaches, athletes, et cetera? I never really understood what the big deal was. FOX and friends really deserve the credit for turning that non-event into a really nasty slam against a decent man...they must be so proud.

 

[iman]

Well, I knew I had a 50% chance of getting it right.

Wow, I didn't realize that you were that old. Congratulations on making it that far. I SAID, CONGRATULATIONS ON MAKING IT THAT FAR!!

It's called "maturity", your confusion is understandable.

 

[Roland00]

But did he or not?
That's essentially destroying America and its political system. To "decimate" or destroy the democrat party, however you put it, involves shuting down the voices of half of the country who believe in more liberal ideas. He can't possibly be a friend of the United States and the democracy if he's so allergic to debate.

The idea to use gays (or any other section of the population) as scapegoats to mark political points is a base and pitiful enterprise. One that should not exist in this day and age.

Divisive politics and name calling might win an election or two, but again it seeds the roots of hatred which will eventually lead to the destruction of America. He cannot claim to be a friend of democracy with such tactics.

Proof that the end does not justify the means; this administration was very short sighted in thinking America would get away with a fraudulent war. The whole country will pay for it for decades to come, and many are starting to recognize that the country is more vulnerable than it was before 9/11.

Here's a video of Anderson Cooper discussing Karl Rove's disturbing rap attempt. Just an example of how twisted the political ways of this administration are.

Note I didn't say I agree with the logic or the result of the logic, I was just try to explain how their position even if I don't agree with it.

 

[radical matt]

Could it be that the pair rode to power simply because they were able to skillfully manipulate legions of uneducated Christians with gay marriage and abortion?

Wait, I'm confused, I thought Bush was a retarded dislexic...now he's a genius tactician? Why is it the anti-Bush crowd doesn't realise the discrepency they have when they claim that Bush is stupid on the one hand, yet that he is some sort of cunning mastermind on the other? If the latter is true, than the former must surly be an act, and if the former is true, than the latter is impossible save for a run of shear luck...in which case it isn't driven by malice anyway.

Rove being a mastermind, on the other hand, I can accept.


As for this:

That's essentially destroying America and its political system. To "decimate" or destroy the democrat party, however you put it, involves shuting down the voices of half of the country who believe in more liberal ideas. He can't possibly be a friend of the United States and the democracy if he's so allergic to debate.

...that's how a lot of third parties feel about the way the Reps and Dems are all buddy buddy when it comes to passing things like Campaign Finance Reform and campaigning laws that essentially shut out third parties. The Democrats aren't "the voice(s) of half the country", they're the voice of about 5% of the country...and the Republicans are another 5%. That's why 80+% of Americans don't vote in elections, they CAN'T agree or vote with good conscience for any of the candidates that stand a chance. About 10% will vote anyway for the "lesser evil", but the other 80% just don't vote because they feel their voices won't be heard and their votes will do no good. A couple of good strong third parties right now could do something amazing...if it wasn't for the Dems and Reps passing so many laws over the years that it makes third party candidicies nearly impossible. Still, if someone could get some concentrated efforts starting within the next year or so...maybe even the next 4 years, but windows don't tend to be wid or open for long when it comes to such things...maybe Perot, lol.