Carville disses Howard Dean

[chance1]

They're at it already

James Carville says that Howard Dean has to go. That his 50 state strategy was nutty and that there were 10-12 more seats to be had that were won narrowly by Repubs.

Why is he doing this? The JUB board loves Dean and his 50 state strategy. He got kudos here

Maybe Carville needs to get Dean out of the way so Hillary can keep the ultra liberal wing from bringing her down.

It's getting ugly and it hasn't even started yet

 

[chance1]

Shocking that the reds would try to turn this into a super big deal.

good personal attack

any idea why carville went after dean?

 

[Andreus]

lol

he is a paid employee of a news station

who cares?

maybe he needs ratings

maybe matalin cut off the punanee until he said something nasty about a democrat

We arent going to lose our focus over this

if they want to disagree, who gives a rats ass

 

[chance1]

lol

he is a paid employee of a news station

who cares?

maybe he needs ratings

maybe matalin cut off the punanee until he said something nasty about a democrat

We arent going to lose our focus over this

if they want to disagree, who gives a rats ass

or perhaps he is just a Hillary/Bill hitman?

much more likely I think

which gets back to the Pelosi thing today

Who is in charge of the party?

Who sets the agenda?

Who is best suited to win them the White House in 2008

I think it is fascinating

 

[Andreus]

i think you may be reading more into it than there is chance

i think its just two party employees being catty

 

[chance1]

i think you may be reading more into it than there is chance

i think its just two party employees being catty

Maybe - let's see if we see/hear more - I'll give it time

Carville does fit the description - still can't believe he and his wife can get along - suggests that for the 2 of them, it's all just an act (their political beliefs)

Not like it was a slow news day though

 

[star-warrior]

I find American politics infinitely entertaining. I don't even know who carville is !

 

[smelter]

I find American politics infinitely entertaining. I don't even know who carville is !

He became famous while working for Bill Clinton's successful 1992 Presidential campaign. He is reputed to be the author of Clinton's campaign slogan, "Its the Economy, Stupid!". A good source for further information on Carville's career, past and present, can be found in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Carville

 

[Homoaffectional]

Carville abandoned by all (even Hillary)

by kos

Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 04:53:47 PM PST

Carville has been left to the wolves, alone and friendless in his condemnation of Dean.

James Carville's attempt to topple Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic National Committee failed after state party officials and even a vocal critic of Dean crushed the coup, officials said.
Insiders from the Clinton camp winced at Carville's untimely remarks last week calling for Dean's ouster in favor of unsuccessful Senate candidate Harold Ford of Tennessee.
"It was not coming from [Sen. Hillary Clinton] and they made a real effort to distance themselves from James' comments," said a source close to the Clintons.
The Clintonistas don't want an undeserved backlash from the activist wing of the party that overwhelmingly supports Dean, especially because some anti-Clinton Democrats have blamed Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) for the attack by Carville, a longtime Clinton insider. Those forces claimed Carville's motive was to topple Dean in favor of a chairman more favorable to Sen. Clinton's bid for President [...]
Even Dean-basher Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and an exadviser to former President Bill Clinton, called Dean last week to say Carville was acting alone, and one-time DNC Chairman Don Fowler referred to Carville as an "ill-advised" voice.
"Why do the Washington people think that they have a special prerogative to dictate what the Democratic Party needs?" Fowler wrote in an e-mail to the party faithful. "Why should anyone want to mess with the team that won these remarkable [election] results?"
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Bowers muses:

The remarks form Clinton's camp come after Charles Schumer and Donnie Fowler backed Howard Dean and the fifty-state strategy, the Association of State Democratic Chairs did the same, and after Dean scored a 96% approval rating on the latest Dailykos leadership poll. The latter two are particularly key, because over the past two years, Howard Dean's base of support in the party has come primarily from two sources: state parties and the progressive movement. Although lacking in nuance, it would not be inaccurate to characterize the current modus operandi of the DNC as follows: small donations from progressive movement activists flow to the DNC in record amounts, and most of those donations end up being spent on direct grants to state parties and in the form of state-level field organizers. This is a novel path for Democratic money to take, especially since it generally bypasses both Washington, D.C. based consultants and wealthy donors. It is also exactly why Carville's base of supporters hate Dean so much.

Although this is obviously lost on most pundits and journalists, it is interesting how this seemingly odd alliance between state parties and the progressive movement is based not upon ideology. Rather, it is based upon both a shared strategic principle, the fifty-state strategy, and a shared chip on the shoulder: the sense that both have been long ignored by the party leadership. It is a sort of Alliance of the Ignored. When this alliance runs afoul of the Carville's and Begala's of the world, once gain it does so primarily because of strategic differences, not because of ideology.:
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[iman]

There were a lot of close races. Maybe Carville is right. Why don't KOS and Co. deal with what he said?

 

[iman]

The question of whether more money should have been spent on close races instead of in Alabama and Mississippi as Emanuel and Schumer believe is a legitimate one. Dean is leaving himself open to the charge that he is keeping state chairman happy for his own job security. The Dems need to look at this prior to the next election just to keep peace if for no other reason.

 

[Homoaffectional]

The Dems need to look at this prior to the next election just to keep peace if for no other reason.

Peace between whom? The overwhelming majority of the party, *AND* the country, who all think Dean, who has brought the Dems the first victory where they can actually say they book back both Houses of Congress, has done a great job vs. the one lone jealous idiot, Carville, who is only in it for himself, as a bitter old has-been that didn't get his rich stash of consulting fees this time around, since there weren't the kind of stale attack ads that the GOP realizes no longer work?

Carville... who's married to GOP wench Mary Matalin?

BTW, with victory comes money...

Carville is nothing but a bitter snake oil salesman, and he looks the part, too. He is so damn angry that his ride on the gravy train is over...

The Democrats need to be a national party in order to expose the GOP as nothing but the regional party it has been since the 'realignment' began, and concluded this past election cycle. The Democrats need to be the party of America, not just everywhere but the South, assuming they're even that, or perhaps you can explain to me why the Dems aren't in control of the state senate of New York state. Perhaps because they aren't actually spreading all the money too thin, after all...?

Dean is right on the mark. Carville is a bitter has-been.

If anyone needs to be blamed for the loss of the 'close races', it's those nasty, illegal robo-calls made by RNC, for which I expect prosecutions and JAIL TIME, some time in the near future. If anything, Iman, it's THAT the Dems need to look into.

 

[iman]

The dispute is between Dean and Emanuel/Schumer. Carville is just the guy that shot his mouth off.

 

[chance1]

I like James Carville

The guy is a pit bull

Speaks his mind

Loyal as hell

Dean deserved it - remember him screaming at the top of his lungs all the names of the 50 states with the howl at the end?

It was a priceless moment for sure

 

[khushibagh]

Good post Hazemaster.

 

[iman]

Actually, someone should remind KOS that the Republicans lost all by themselves. The Dems offered little to the American people other than the fact that they were not Republicans, fortunately that was enough. Now the Dems have to produce.

 

[Homoaffectional]

The Dems offered little to the American people other than the fact that they were not Republicans, fortunately that was enough. Now the Dems have to produce.

You may be right, but they certainly had their act more together than they did in 2004.

And it wasn't just the DLC, the Dems also won because Kerry was ignored. If that idiot thinks he's going to run again, my gawd...

 

[Homoaffectional]

The question of whether more money should have been spent on close races instead of in Alabama and Mississippi as Emanuel and Schumer believe is a legitimate one. Dean is leaving himself open to the charge that he is keeping state chairman happy for his own job security. The Dems need to look at this prior to the next election just to keep peace if for no other reason.

Um... yeah, right...

Democratic Winning Strategy

by Linda in SFNM

Sun Dec 24, 2006 at 04:40:13 PM PST

This is my response to a GQ Men Style article, "Kiss the Ring", for Rahm Emanuel.
A somewhat oversaturated piece written about Rahm's supposed winning strategy and his co-team member James Carville.
This article is a must read-if anything, an eye opener (if they weren't already).
http://men.style.com/...


After reading Ryan Lizza's very detailed, however very colored account of Rahm Emanuel, I was wondering if you were doing a follow up piece of equal persuasion on the Chairman of the Democratic Party.

I appreciated the detail and it afforded us to read between the lines of misdirected glowing praise for Rahm (no one calls him Emanuel), but it is still incorrect if he misrepresents facts as this even clearly pointed out. If the Democratic Party relied on Rahm, his methodology, spending and handling, the Democrats would have been declared ultimate losers. Hand picking (only) 22 seats to be competitive and spending all your money against the grassroots choice, then pouring countless amounts in to those few races and refusing to give others, then having only 8 out of those 22 win, is hardly worthy of glowing praise for a man who wants to be King.

I understand some of these facts were pointed out in a half truth sort of way, but people only who follow (Washington) politics will be picking that up.
Thank goodness that Chairman Dean laid out such winning strategy to pick up so many seats, despite Rahm's attempts.


Link.

 

[iman]

Um... yeah, right...

^Is that a response?

The question of how and where to spend the money would exist whether all these high maintenance personalities were involved or not. The editor of The New Republic is not someone who would have much influence on my opinion.

 

[JackFTwist]

The JUB board loves Dean and his 50 state strategy. He got kudos here

since when and says who? A few have - others of us have been deeply critical. I believe the political groundwork for our victories in November are chiefly attributed to Emmanuel and Schumer.

To set up straw arguments, I mean, why bother?

Who is in charge of the party?

I suppose it would be too much to say no one is "in charge" of the party. It is a political organization and no one is in charge. Whoever has the votes at the moments determins the moment and perhaps strategy to the next election but this is ever shifting.

If I were you, I'd be worrid about the Republicans. Who is "in charge" of them? An incredibly unpopular president and the response to November's elections is to dither around and then suggest more troops. If it wasn't for the tragic cost in human life it would be downright funny.

All the republicans have to offer for 2008 is a aged Keating-scandle war escalator and a series of right wing religious conservatives. The Democrats will be debating vision and competency and the Republicans will be playing to a losing base. I'll take our side any time.