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Catholic Archbishop says gays are commiting Mortal Sins

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This is crazy, I can't believe I used to be a catholic, Now Im a recovering Catholic


Nick Coleman: Future archbishop's compassion stops short when it comes to gays
By Nick Coleman, Star Tribune

Last update: November 27, 2007 – 8:01 PM


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Nick Coleman: Future archbishop's compassion stops short when it comes to gays
John Nienstedt, Coadjutor Archbishop of the Catholic Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis, has been quoted as saying he believes homosexuality is the result of some kind of childhood trauma. Today, he is inflicting trauma of his own.
That's the opinion of many Catholic friends and relatives of gay and lesbian people in the Twin Cities. They say they have been wounded and angered by comments Nienstedt made about homosexuals in the Nov. 15 edition of The Catholic Spirit, the official newspaper of the archdiocese.

"Those who actively encourage or promote homosexual acts or such activity within a homosexual lifestyle formally cooperate in a grave evil," wrote Nienstedt, who is scheduled to succeed retiring Archbishop Harry Flynn in May. "If they do so knowingly and willingly, [they] are guilty of mortal sin."

Nienstedt went on to set three conditions for such church members to receive communion: They must experience a "conversion of heart," express "sorrow for their action" and receive absolution from a priest.

His views, a church spokesman said, merely reflect Catholic teachings as delineated in The Catechism of the Catholic Church which also requires individual homosexuals to be accepted with "respect, compassion and sensitivity."

The catechism, in my reading, says homosexual acts cannot be approved but does not label them a "grave evil." Homosexuals, like all baptized persons, are "called to chastity." But somehow, the sins of homosexuals always get denounced before the sins of straight people. And if gays must be accepted with compassion and respect, those qualities seem notably missing from Nienstedt's statement.

"He's the only archbishop in the country to put this aggressive of a spin on Catholic teaching," says Mary Lynn Murphy of Catholic Rainbow Parents. "We knew he was very conservative, but people had hoped that he wanted to bring people together. Then, right out of the chute, he fired this cannon. It's extreme talk, and it gives license not just to homophobia but even to violence. This bishop says gays are 'evil.'"

Dennis McGrath, a spokesman for the archdiocese, said Nienstedt's comments were not aimed at families of gays, or at individual homosexuals.

"It was about the sin, the activity -- not the person," McGrath said. "He didn't mean you must stop loving your child. But if you say, 'Why don't you go hit the gay bars tonight? ...' He was talking about those who encourage or promote homosexual activities, like a pornographer might."

But as Nienstedt prepares to succeed Flynn, who tried to steer a less confrontational course, gay Catholics and their families are feeling more and more isolated.

"It's getting worse and worse," says Brian McNeill of Dignity Twin Cities, a group of gay Catholics who have been pushing for acceptance in the church. "They want us to go away, to make the church so hostile for the gay and lesbian community that we won't want to be there anymore.

"And it is working."

Vigil planned

Maybe so, but McNeill and other members of the extended GLBT family in the church aren't giving up yet.

This Sunday, they plan to hold a 2 p.m. vigil on the steps of the Cathedral of St. Paul to demonstrate against Nienstedt's comments, and to deliver an open letter to the Chancery, across Summit Avenue from the Cathedral.

For Mary Lynn Murphy, who has been cursed, spat at and manhandled by good churchgoers in the past as she demonstrated on behalf of her grown gay son, it is important to speak up and show up.

"It is a human right to express your sexuality," says Murphy, who met last week with Catholic parents of gays who were in tears over Nienstedt's statements on homosexuality.

"They are being tormented by a church that is driving a wedge between parent and child," Murphy said. "They believe they are being asked to choose between loving their church and loving their child. And they are furious. For the most prominent religious leader in the state to use that kind of language, well, it brings shame on him."
 
I've never understood why any business who is out to sell a service or product (make money) which a church is, would intentionally insult and sour so many potential customers. Gays' money spends as well as anyone else's. Oh well, I guess it's their loss.
 
This is an issue I have been dealing with my entire life. right now I'm actually considering leaving the Catholic church. I use to think that eventually things might start to change in the Catholic church, however In my opinion things are just getting worse. This archbishop unfortunately, is just one of many in the Catholic hierarchy that holds these views.
 
Before leaving, try "Integrity" (I believe that's the gay cathlic organizations name). One "catholic" who must be paying attention to too much tele-evangelism really doesn't speak for the faith. And, boy, does he have a big surprise when he is before the Judgement throne, as nothing in the Gospel supports his view!
 
^ I think you mean "Dignity". http://www.dignityusa.org/

There's also a "Be straight through Christ" Catholic group called "Courage" - Sort the churches answer to "Exodus International". Forget them.
 
What else would you expect? Remember, the Pope is THE Cardinal Ratzinger, author of the most infamous anti-gay document in Church history.

BTW. "Integrity" is for Episcopals. "Dignity" is for Catholics. Oftentimes, services are combined due to low membership between the two.
 
I can't believe that the Archbishop of the Twin Cities (St. Paul & Minneapolis) would say something that bad. It's a well-known fact that the metro area has a sizable homosexual population.

It's also evident in the article that Nienstedt is completely ignorant of what it means to be gay. Anyone who applies the term "homosexual" only to those having sex (never mind their sexual orientation) knows nothing about us.
 
Catholics Confront Archdiocese Over Statement on Homosexuality
by: Andy Birkey
Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 11:27:40 PM

More than 300 Roman Catholics braved the cold and snow Sunday afternoon to protest comments by incoming Archbishop John Nienstedt. His recent statement chastising the friends and families of lesbian and gay Catholics for supporting a "grave evil" has sparked anger in progressive religious circles. Sunday's event at the Cathedral of St. Paul, called the Vigil for Solidarity, is one of several events in response to Nienstedt.
As protesters huddled on the steps of the Cathedral of St. Paul to get away from the chilly wind, they heard from a series of speakers decrying Neinstedt's comments. Mel White, founder of Soulforce, an organization dedicated to ending "spiritual violence" against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people said, "Throughout history, the Catholic church, the Christian church has been saved by people like you who loved it enough to stand up and say, 'You're wrong.'"

Michael Bayly, executive coordinator of the Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities, addressed the crowd. "The church's teaching on homosexual activity will have to change," he said. "And I have no doubt that it will one day change. My prayer is that Archbishop Nienstedt will join us in being a prophetic voice in working to ensure that this change happens sooner rather than later."
The crowd then enacted a ritual death as Nienstedt's recent statements were read through a megaphone. The protesters collapsed onto the ground in a scene symbolic of the ostracism that is felt when religious leaders express sentiments that LGBT people are guilty of "mortal sin." The "die-in," as the organizers called it, lasted several minutes.

Eleven-year-old Joseph Olsen read a quote attributed to Jesus: "I came that you might have life - and have it to the full!" The protesters then rose up from the ground and started singing, "I Shall Walk in the Presence of God."

The protesters then marched to the office of the Archdiocese to present an open letter to the incoming Archbishop Nienstedt. It read, in part:


By the threat of sin, you have divided parents from children, family members and members of loving communities from each other. Many of us are not affected by your words because we firmly believe that homosexual love is, as all love is, of God. But upon others who are still struggling with Roman Catholic Church teaching on this subject, you have placed an intolerable burden.
The letter and the protesters argue that not only are Nienstedt's words hurtful to LGBT people, but his statements expand the scope of those guilty of "mortal sin" to include the friends and families supportive of LGBT people. The letter asks for clarity on where the line is drawn. "May we have them to dinner? May we worship with them? May we take care of their children when they need us? May we tell them that we love them and are very happy that they are happy?" the letter asked.

The Archdiocese released this statement in response to the protest:


The teaching of the Catholic Church about God's plan for human sexuality is the same today as it has been for centuries. It is not discriminatory. No sexual activity outside the commitment of marriage between a man and a woman is condoned.
 
Unfortunately, the Church Fathers have been quite close-minded when it comes to sexuality (hetero and homo). I strongly believe that the psycho-emotional relationship between two people may very well be blessed by God well before and even in the absence of any recognition by the Church.

Sexual activity can, does, and has been happening between same sex partners for ages. Maybe the Archbishop should reflect on how spirituality and sexuality are so closely intertwined–many profound spiritual/mystical experiences share the same “juices” as an intense sexual act!
 
This is an issue I have been dealing with my entire life. right now I'm actually considering leaving the Catholic church. I use to think that eventually things might start to change in the Catholic church, however In my opinion things are just getting worse. This archbishop unfortunately, is just one of many in the Catholic hierarchy that holds these views.

Canon law says that homosexuals should be treated with love and respect, I wonder why all these church men who are supposed to know the Church laws go against it?
 
The Catholic Church and many other branches of Christianity --- practically all, evolved at a time when the Roman Empire was evolving and decaying.

In many ways the Roman Church replaced the Roman Empire.
The Church was in many ways a fortress against chaos.

But for nowadays I often use the parable of the worn-out wine-bag.

Our selves have evolved a bit since 100 CE. Not much.
But, for instance, we have this thing called a Hubble telescope...

Many of our notions of morality developed out of the Roman Empire, the Medieval Church and so on. In many ways, though worthy of respectful consideration, those institutions don't quite fit; haven't quite adapted; are now like worn-out wine-bags, frankly. They don't hold our wine.

People should be humble and respectful of these institutions; and we should respect the fact that {God} must have moved on from a Flat-Earth Universe.
 
To quote Margaret Cho speaking as God to the Cathlic church
"THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT" :spank::spank::spank:
 
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