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"caught" and need help with excuses

I'm just surprised that some members would so adamantly try to impose their beliefs on someone whom they don't think is handling or doing things the "right way." I thought the GLBT community would have had enough of that from the rest of society.

This is exactly what was going through my mind when I read the responses starting on post #6. This is an open forum so I realize that anyone can give their opinion on whatever subject (within code of conduct rules obviously), however, nobody has the right to shove their personal opinion down anyone's throat ****particularly**** when you are talking about another individual's life with that invidual! [-X Once you stated your opinion once or even twice, the continuing judging and bickering is really unnecesary as it just creates a hostile tone with the jubber that came looking for "help". :rolleyes:

Also, if this thread is in the wrong section of the forum one of the staffers in charge can very easily move it to the appropriate section. #-o
 
hey onetime, I can tell you that the lying would not only be stupid, it would eat up a little more of your soul and make it increasingly harder for you to come out to your dad in the future.............dropping a few girly ads in there to throw them off the scent is questionable.

If you need people to help you think up excuses and lies for this, do you just fall into the pattern of lying about everything if you think you can think up or cop a good Alibi? Take some responsilbility and you'll feel better about yourself.
 
Hey guys. This is the last I'll post in this thread. The thread veered completely off of the topic at hand and appears to be turning into a debating thread, which could lead to a flame war, which wasn't my intention at all in starting it. I was looking for what I thought would be some simple advice and didn't foresee it starting up such debate and controversy.

I don't really take issue with what so many of you are saying, but just rather find is puzzling and disappointing that in seeking advice, I was not able to find very much on here. This has less to do with the topic at hand and is more a blanket criticism. To keep it vague, it's like someone posting here asking "I need help with Problem A. I realize that Problem B is a problem as well but at the moment, I do not need or want any advice on Problem B, so please just offer any help that you have with Problem A", stated over and over, only to be with dozens of "Pick Problem B", "B, B, B!", "what you need to do with Problem B is...", "Your problem with B is that..." and so forth repeatedly. It wasn't the advice I was asking for and I wrongly assumed that just by my virtue of stating what sort of advice I was looking for, that I would receive that sort of advice. Contrary to the belief of some of you who took this opportunity to pick me apart piece by piece, I am a grown man. I can handle criticism from others, and the criticism of my sexuality and how I have chosen to handle it is certainly nothing new. It was just perplexing and a letdown more than anything. I guess part of me just wonders "if you don't have advice to give about Problem A, which I was explicitly asking for, then why bother responding at all, especially after I said time and time again that this is the advice I'm looking for?" but perhaps that's my own internet naivete.

Do I feel like I was attacked in this thread? Honestly, yes I do. It's not a huge deal. This is just an internet message board so people trying to slam my personality and values from an anonymous keyboard halfway across the country means nothing to me. No stranger can make an indictment of my character. It's no skin off my back. I was looking for specific advice and searched through the thread for that advice, and the rest of it was just filler to me. I was just more surprised than anything and expected to receive some more useful input from people in my position. Perhaps I misread the demographics of this site, but I was hoping for more information from closeted guys like myself, closeted for whatever reason, who could see from firsthand experience the dilemma I was in and who shared my perspective. As offensive as this may be, and potentially another topic in itself, I don't feel there is much sensitivity given on these boards by out members towards closeted members. There seems to be very little patience and understanding and a "well what the hell are you waiting for?!" style of advice given to those closeted guys; less a nudge to come out of the closet and more of a push. There's the theory that there's no one quite as annoying as an "ex" whether that be an ex-smoker or an ex-overweight person, where they oftentimes become annoyingly self-righteous to those who share in the problem they once had and take it upon themselves to apply whatever their own situation was prior to being "saved" as if it were the case for all others. I feel to a certain extent that many (not all) out gay men are the same way, espousing a "come out, come out now!" at all costs mentality without taking into consideration individual factors. I myself am not trying to criticize those who criticized me. Everyone can post whatever they want, whenever they want, and people are passionate in their views even if they conflict with my own. That's fine. It's more than anything just frustration that in some respects, nearly the whole thread was "off-topic" in relation to what I was looking for. People disagreed with the unethical nature of my request. I expected some of that and got the point after the third or fourth post telling me so, and just didn't see the need when I clarified what I was looking for, for that to be beat into the ground.

After this thread started veering off-topic, I asked a moderator whether this was the proper forum or if I should have started this thread elsewhere, namely the Bisexual/Straight forum where I was likely to find more guys who could relate to this situation, and was told that the Coming Out forum was in fact the proper forum for this issue. To be honest, it's a little disheartening to think that potentially confused youngsters or men coming to this board, impressionable and scared and just looking for some support, could instead be attacked, their personality analyzed, and their values and sexuality lampooned. I haven't browsed much on this forum, so perhaps that's my mistake in assuming that all folks will be treated in a similar vein, and perhaps the topic at hand combined with my age unleashed the no holds barred attack. As I said, I can handle it as internet "attacks" or just strongly-worded criticism (depending on your view, and your skin's thickness) means little to me, but I hope for the sake of others who can't, that it is not the norm around here.

From a personal standpoint, I'm glad I started this topic just in terms of getting something that I couldn't talk about to anyone off my chest. I also received helpful advice and support from a number of posters through PMs who did not want to respond in the main thread due to it's tone and fear of being attacked or criticized themselves, and as I expressed to all of them individually, I am very grateful for their advice. Those posters have helped me come to a conclusion on what to do, gave advice and provided applicable criticism to the issue I was looking to discuss. They have helped me resolve this issue but my resolution isn't one I care to discuss on here because I don't really see the point. As I said, this will be my last post in this thread. This issue has been somewhat resolved so there's no need to continue it. I'll go back now to posting about more trivial things.
 
OK, well, then this will be my last post too.

I find it kind of ironic that the only people who could help you hide are the ones who have to hide themselves.

But in a few years, I hope you see that they weren't helping you and that some of us really did want to.

If Problem "A" is "I can't figure out how to fit all this arsnic into the glass" and Problem "B" is "I'm going to drink this arsnic", maybe you should listen to the people who are telling you to not drink the arsenic at all, even when you say you don't want help with that.

Or something.

Anyway... Not that it'll change much. If your dad saw the link, he knows what's up and no amount of covering it up is going to change that. Since you don't feel capable of bringing it up with him, you'll now let that fear and uncertainty fester inside you for a while.

Sad that you should waste your young years worrying about things like that when you should be worrying about something else.
 
I'm with soil. His last post says it all....and I don't think it veered off-topic unless the only answers that could be posted were by those who helped you devise subterfuge and lies. I find it refreshing and healthy that so many people find the idea of not only lying to yourself, but actually lying to others as being self-destructive behaviour.

If you're disappointed that you didn't have everyone agreeing with you.........
 
OK, well, then this will be my last post too.

…There is a God..

This no-flame zone was created for guys seeking guidance and acceptance to the most emotionally wrought question of their lifetime. Obviously Mr. Onetimething can handle himself – with grace and decorum I might add (I hope we don’t lose him). But I’m worried about the new guys out there on the sidelines who haven’t yet begun the journey. Guys with fragile egos, nervous about the unknown, yet driving themselves to place just one toe into the waters of JUB. One flippant offhanded comment can set them back – or worse! I honestly fear the “or worse!” part when I read some of the comments on this board.

Personally I wish we had a resident Psychiatrist or Physiologist on board willing to offer some bi-partisan advice. Someone willing to review a post that a Mod flags, just in case. A Dr. Phil if you may, or in our case “Dr. Mary”.

If anything, perhaps it would incite new members to post or post more often- offering us an interesting influx of cultural differences and personalities.
 
it's like someone posting here asking "I need help with Problem A. I realize that Problem B is a problem as well but at the moment, I do not need or want any advice on Problem B, so please just offer any help that you have with Problem A", stated over and over, only to be with dozens of "Pick Problem B", "B, B, B!", "what you need to do with Problem B is...", "Your problem with B is that..." and so forth repeatedly. It wasn't the advice I was asking for

The problem is that "Problem A" is "How do I feed lame excuses [your word, not mine] to my very considerate father so I can stay in the closet even though he must know by now" and Problem B is "How do I gently come out of the closet at my own pace"--and this forum, in case you hadn't noticed, is called the "Coming Out" forum, not the "Staying In" forum. ;)

Do I feel like I was attacked in this thread? Honestly, yes I do.

I don't see that, but I'm not you.

When you're little and you tell your parents you want M&M's for dinner, and they feed you healthy food instead, do you feel attacked? You might, but only because you don't fully understand what they're saying. It might help to listen to them. But no one can force you to listen.

This no-flame zone was created for guys seeking guidance and acceptance to the most emotionally wrought question of their lifetime. Obviously Mr. Onetimething can handle himself – with grace and decorum I might add (I hope we don’t lose him). But I’m worried about the new guys out there on the sidelines who haven’t yet begun the journey. Guys with fragile egos, nervous about the unknown, yet driving themselves to place just one toe into the waters of JUB. One flippant offhanded comment can set them back – or worse! I honestly fear the “or worse!” part when I read some of the comments on this board.

Mr. Onetimething is 25 years old, not a teenager. People would not react the same if he were.

Plus, I came here less than a year ago, and people gave me "tough love", too. And I'm out now. It works.
 
You dont have to come out. He didnt see it if your talking about firefox those tabs are put up there when you press space and shift on a page or something like that.He most likely didnt notice. You want to hear a worse story.I didnt erase the video history in my computer one day and my brother looked at the recent documents clicked on one and boom saw a video of two dudes going at it right in front of me the best thing to do is blame it on him and act disgusted.(Oh my god what is that thats nasty why you looking at that for) etc.. but dont overreact just be subtle and theres a program called weberaser that is freeof charge install it use it it erases hidden history off your pc then delete the program and your computer should be cleaner than before.But dont worry if your father brings it up say it was a strange email you got from someone you opened it and it saved on the page say is a virus etc.. use techy words.
 
I can certainly understand how frustrating this entire "adventure" has been for everyone who became involved.

I even must commend Onetimething for his fortitude, determination, and his patience, in describing his situation, and explaining his own frustration with some of our responses. And I would also like to Thank him for taking the time, and effort, in letting us all know his own personal thoughts concerning his reactions, and his decisions. I hope to hear more from him on these boards!

But ... I would also like to try to describe what it's been like for someone who has been "in the closet" (quite furtively), and did manage to find his way "Out".

The best I can come up with is running across a blind man, on the rim of the Grand Canyon, who asks how much closer he can get to the edge. You try to describe the dangers, along with the grandeur that is before him. And after all of your efforts, attempting to help him "see", he thanks you, but says, "All I really wanted to know was how much closer to the edge I can get!" #-o ](*,)

Oh, well ...

Good Luck! and Best Wishes!! (group)

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
Alright, I'm going to step in once more here.

I've deleted several posts that WERE attacking or off-topic, or just plain wrong. For one thing, the "bisexuality and straight guys" forum is NOT a place for stories, issues, or seeking places to hide and cheat and lie. It's in the "naughty bits" section of this site and is designed for bisexual and straight porn. We've given up trying to weed out all the wrong threads, but shortly there will be a new forum created, in a No-Flame Zone for bisexual issues. So, let's keep the story straight with all that.

Second, onetimething came here with a dilemma--accidently leaving a gay porn tab link on his father's computer. I think most of us cringe at the thought of doing that--out or not. It's really not too much of a mental leap to put yourself in that mortifying position. One's first instincts are to cover your ass, especially if you're not out.

Most of us would be lying if, at some time in our lives, we didn't have an alabi in mind for different scenarios. That's just the fact of life among us until we come out. Again, this is not a big mental leap to imagine.

Third, people come out at different times and for different reasons. It is incredibly presumptuous to think gay people should be "out" by a certain age or certain date. We have no idea what's going on in people's heads, what their private lives are like, or any number of critical factors affecting their decisions. Coming out couldn't be a more personal choice, based on very personal psychological issues. Badgering someone with their version of "tough love," and making them feel immature and inferior because they don't live up to their standards of "outness" is horseshit of the first order!

Fourth, I understand and respect that this is a Coming Out forum, rather than a conspiracy-to-stay-in board. Points well taken. Where this thread got confused and derailed was not in offering bad advice on coming out, it was not recognizing that "coming out" was not the issue here! That was not where onetimething was, and it was not what he wanted to deal with.

That does not mean that it could not have been offered up as a possible solution. Even onetimething admits that, and has, at times, considered it. But, he has decided that this is not for him--not now--and, frankly, I respect that as should all of you. I may not agree with him, but I'm not him and I'm not living his life.

Bringing it up tactfully once is one thing and fair game. I would have been disappointed had it not been brought up. But, read what the man says--he couldn't have been any clearer on his feelings about this. So, either deal with the issue he brought forth, or go on to some other thread. This circular "Why don't you come out?" is pointless.

If you want to follow up with me, do it offline via PM. I've heard from onetimething and, thankfully, he's received some good advice via PM. Thanks to all who followed through privately. I take him at his word that he's through with this thread, and I can understand why. I'm going to leave it open, though.
 
So you find a craig's list ad for gay sex on the computer right after your father gets off the computer to 'go to the gym'... It may be time for a talk.
 
Just wanted to say it is possible he would fall for it. My Mom did. She so totally beleived all my lies that now that I've come out, she thinks NOW I'm lying just to piss her off...go figure. (ya my comming out didn't work so well). Even my Dad was blown away, but he accepts it.

BTW, I do agree with all that you're saying. I have major regrets now for all I've missed over the years.
I also see that you're just expressing your opinion, not actually ordering him to come out, as some people seem to be suggesting that that's what you are doing in this thread. (sigh)

Part of that is probably just what your mom wants to believe. I'm sure it's easier for her to accept a lie that you're actually straight than it is for her to accept the truth that you're not.
 
I'm sorry that so many people attacked you and your concerns. But to answer your original question, the fact is whatever site you look at, or click on, is automatically in the "toolbar". It is there to give you easy access the next time you type anything into the space. It categorizes it by alphabet. So, as soon as you hit the first letter of what ever site you want, it's going to bring up a list of everything put into the searchbar before that time. You CAN erase it each time you are on, but you have to click on the "clear history" button and do that yourself. So, chances are that if you have been secretly looking at stuff while on his computer for a while now, then he probably already knows. Maybe he's o.k. with it and hasn't said anything because of that. Or, he doesn't know how to bring the subject up. So, from now on hit "clear history" each time you use the computer. And good luck with however this turns out. :)
 
Part of that is probably just what your mom wants to believe. I'm sure it's easier for her to accept a lie that you're actually straight than it is for her to accept the truth that you're not.



maybe, but I wouldn't know, we don't talk to eachother anymore :lol:
 
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