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Charges against Saddam dropped

Sausy

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There should have been a tribunal documenting all his regime's crimes before any carrying out of an execution sentence.Getting the entire record out before the world should have been paramount,then there would have been true justice rendered.Now,since he's dead,everything is swept under the rug...and the Kurds get the shaft,as usual.A shame because the Kurds are the only real success story resulting from the American overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime.
 
they cannot afford the trial. the other crimes will be documented in Tariq Aziz and Chemical Ali's trials.

and yes, they will probably also be hanged.
 
There are two trials.

The first was crimes against the shia, this was the one he was executed for.

The second was crime against the kurds, the one where he did far more deaths. It was to begin after the first trial, this was the one where the charges were dropped. Note that the rest of the people being tried in the second trial are still going to be tried.
 
exactly roland

chemical ali will bear the brunt of that crime, and rightfully so...
 
History will still remember Hussein for what he did to the Kurds. At this point, I really don't think it matters if the new Iraqi Judicial system does not convict Hussein under those crimes as well; seeing as how I doubt the new Iraqi government is going to last anyway.
 
seeing saddam swing at the end of a rope is all the justice the kurds were interested in

all they want now is his to see his co conspirators follow him there

paperwork and trials are a means, not an end. when the end result is reached, they simply dont care anymore

i don't want to discuss the ethics of their beliefs, i just want to point out to you that justice means different things to different people
 
Glad he's dead

mass murderer

everything else is blah blah blah

In my opinion of course
 
Glad he's dead

mass murderer

everything else is blah blah blah

In my opinion of course

First let the dead rest, he may deserve death, but now that he has obtained it, move on and don't take joy in it.

Everything else isn't blah blah. Even if Saddam deserved death for killing thousands of people, the way his death was done has made him into a martyr. It wasn't an execution like it should have been, it was a political lynching. Another folly on bush's part. Unfortunately thousands more iraqis will die because of this due to sectarian violence.

The way Saddam's execution and trial was done was horrible. They made a homicidal maniac hated near universally around the middle east into a hero and martyr or at least likable/sympathetic for 80% of the mid east. That is no easy task. For more of the subject read this news story (link below).

http://***********/y4st9d
 
the entire war has been a political lynching

it does not change the evil nature of saddam or the just reason behind his conviction and execution.

no one can deny he committed crimes against humanity

he does not have the sympathy of 80 percent of anyone in the mid east, more like 8 percent, and that is less than at jub. i doubt people here who dislike his execution think that he is a martyr or likeable.

there are degrees here
 
Andreus do you believe that the trial and execution could have been done better, so there would be less resentment that was generated by his death due to how it reminded people of sectarian violence? The cell phone video inflammed a good portion of people.
 
Speaking for the Kurdish people now? Either you or Andreus have any cites regarding Kurdish responses to this or is projecting enough?


finding eglish language sites on this topic to post are not easy

heres one from the UK

source....thefirstpost.co.uk......

.......

Saddam’s execution was just in time

The Kurds never got their day in court. Edward Luttwak tells why they wanted justice to be swift.


Only if he had fled to Israel could Saddam Hussein have avoided the death penalty, because all other countries in the Middle East still have it, in accordance with Muslim law.

Fundamentalists would apply it to many offences, including disrespect for Moses, Jesus or Mohammed, but leading progressives such as Lebanon's Ayatollah Mohammed Fadlallah argue that only three crimes merit the death penalty in Islam: premeditated murder, the undermining of society by habitual violence, and homosexuality.

Presumably it is under the first two that Fadlallah's fellow Shia clerics in Iraq called for Saddam Hussein's execution, though in many sermons it was simply hailed as a long-awaited act of revenge.

While he was specifically sentenced to death for ordering the killing of 148 Shia villagers in 1982, that "crime against humanity" was only the beginning of the deportations, torture, mass imprisonment, and outright massacres that were inflicted on Iraq's Arab Shia population until the American-led invasion of 2003 finally destroyed the regime.

Hundreds of thousands of Shia lost relatives, and for them Saddam Hussein's hanging is a personal as well as a sectarian act of retribution. They must have accounted for many of the thousands of Iraqis who applied for the post of Saddam's hangman.

Others no doubt were Kurds. Their persecution had started very soon after the Ba'athist regime was established in 1968, but it also came to an end sooner, when a de facto independent Kurdistan, protected by US and British air patrols, was established after the first Gulf War of 1991.

But by then years of insurgency and repression had culminated in the 1986-1989 Anfal campaign of village demolitions and mass murder, which killed at least 100,000 Kurds out of a total population of less than 4 million. Hence in Saddam Hussein's second trial, for the Anfal campaign, the charge was genocide, though because the trial only started this August there was no real opportunity to look at the evidence by the time Iraq's highest court of appeal upheld the conviction for the 1982 Shia massacre.

So, Kurdish victims of the Ba'ath regime and Hussein will not have their day in court. But no protests were heard from Kurdish officials – who include President Jalal Talabani.

The obvious reason for this is that on April 28, 2007 Saddam Hussein would have reached his 70th birthday, becoming immune from execution under Iraqi law. The desire to see him dead evidently outweighed the redemptive and historical benefits of a trial that would finally reconstruct the full record of the horrific Anfal campaign.

Another reason for the Kurds' silence was that in December 2005 a much more convincing Dutch court formally ruled that Hussein's regime was guilty of genocide against the Kurds, when it sentenced Frans van Anraat to 15 years in prison for knowingly selling chemicals for nerve gas to Iraq.

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First let the dead rest, he may deserve death, but now that he has obtained it, move on and don't take joy in it.

Everything else isn't blah blah. Even if Saddam deserved death for killing thousands of people, the way his death was done has made him into a martyr. It wasn't an execution like it should have been, it was a political lynching. Another folly on bush's part. Unfortunately thousands more iraqis will die because of this due to sectarian violence.

The way Saddam's execution and trial was done was horrible. They made a homicidal maniac hated near universally around the middle east into a hero and martyr or at least likable/sympathetic for 80% of the mid east. That is no easy task. For more of the subject read this news story (link below).

http://***********/y4st9d

I take no specific joy - I'm sick and tired of his being "memorialized" by the lost boys - poor Saddam - that's garbage. He is/was what he is/was - a mass murderer. You, me, the world is a far better place. He got taunted? whoop de doo. He gets not one ounce of sympathy - not one. Any concern for how he lived his last few moments is misguided. Put that concern towards the families of his victims. He was extinguished for what HE did, for the misery HE caused, for the orphans HE made.

He is not a hero - he is not a martyr.

Blaming the U.S. (not our fault) or the Iraqis is missing the point which is an evil man WAS BROUGHT TO JUSTICE AND MADE TO PAY FOR HIS CRIMES.

You blame Bush? that's another mistake. First we run the country for the Iraqis - get blamed for that. Then we don't overrule their decision to execute him - and we get blamed for that. People have to make up their mind - which is it. We're too involved? or not involved enough? Sounds like some people are never satisfied.
 
Chance has me curious; was the Saddam execution entirely an Iraqi decision or is it somehow a puppet obeying its master (Bush)?

Regardless, I have seen/heard a few reports that the video of his execution did have an unfortunate backlash.

The U.S. (read the Bush admin) tried to get the Iraqis to postpone the execution - that it would enflame some

The Iraqis said no

It is NOT our country - I'm sure u agree

which is it?

we're too involved in the decision making

or

not involved enough

pick one please
 
Saladin was a Khurd...I always thought that was pretty cool...I would be curious to see what they would do with the middle east with a little more authority...Maybe they have been repressed too long though and wouldnt be able to be noble anymore...
 
The U.S. (read the Bush admin) tried to get the Iraqis to postpone the execution - that it would enflame some
The Iraqis said no
What are you talking about??? Most complaints I read are not about the timing of the execution but the fact of executing (death penalty) itself... which the US, for they practice it, are surely not against.
"tried to get the Iraqis to postpone the execution"... what a joke, they handed him over that morning very aware of what was gonna happen.

It is NOT our country - I'm sure u agree
Errr then please remind me, what did you get there for in the first place??? Because it sounds a bit like it is NOT your country... when it's conveninent not to be...

which is it?
we're too involved in the decision making
or
not involved enough
pick one please
Are you trying to pretend you (US GVT) cares??
The whole world but Blair answered that question 4 years ago.
Americans answered that question in the past weeks...
What does Bush cares?
 
I'm sure Rumsfeld and Bush Snr are delighted that there will be no trial over the gassing of Kurds at Halabja, after all, Saddam might have called them as character witnesses.
 
Somewhat like the head of Enron, who ripped off thousands of people, when he died the Americans dropped all charges and his family keeps all the richs and his name is not tarnished. Only in America, eh?
 
Exactly what purpose would it serve to convict him a thousand more times and hand down a thousand more death sentences to a man who only has one life?
If think the purpose would have been to allow families of the victims to be ackowledged and that he had been judged for what he did to THEM.
Someone in this thread or another (or another forum...lol) said all they wanted was to see him dead, if that's really the case good for them... I still can't help but think this is an important part in an individual's mourning process, but maybe this whole mourning thing was just made up by psychiatrists to justify whatever they were up to at the time?... who knows...

Another purpose would have been to be able to conduct more enquiries and to determinate exactly who is responsible for what and in what way... which is probably something nobody (implicated) wanted ;)

A last reason would have been to simply not do something you punish someone else for (kill)... otherwise why couldn't the first person do it in the first place?
 
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