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Charles Barkley Calls Out Fake Christians

Obama is "100% against gay marriage" along with the vast majority of black people who claim to be Christians. [-X


No he doesn't. He's for civil unions, and for allowing individual churches to decide if they want to allow marriage or not.

In other words, marriage is owned by the religious institution. We deserve equal rights as far as unions go, in his view. The word marriage, however, is religious and so up to the institution. I have also heard him speak, in person, about equality for us, as well as see him speak for equality at faith summits, such as those with Jim Wallace in attendance.



Charles Barkley is excellent, by the by.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RkxMVedHpk

The government has no place in guaranteeing anything with regards to 'marriage' itself, due to the separation of church and state. Don't let morons, like in the video above, try to convince you otherwise.


Oh... and from a practical point of view, this will eventually move down to a state by state basis, just like abortion laws. This is unavoidable, at the moment.
 
If he's for gay marriage, why the fuck is he supporting a homophobic bigot such as Obama?

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Um, probably because there's no viable candidate for president at this time that supports gay marriage--at least not publicly. You have to pick your battles and you're only rarely going to find a politician who has the exact same views on everything as you do.
 
The problem lies with white men who control the lives of us all. Their white power and privilege

Shep+

Yes, the "White priviledge" that if a White kid and a Black kid have the exact same SAT score and the university has only one spot, it goes to the Black kid due to affirmative action. The "white priviledge" that if two job applicants, one White and one Black, the White guys having superior qualifications than the Black guy, the job goes to the Black guy to fill the minority quota. "White priviledge" is something that White men had in the 19th century and up to the 1950's in the South, but is long gone. White men today have no priviledges and actually have several disadvantages rectified by law. I wonder how "priviledged" a White shoe salesman is compared to, say, Michael Jordan.
 
Charles Barkley would be a breath of fresh air in the political arena, but being pro-gay and calling most Christians hypocrites? Good luck being elected to a state-wide office in Alabama in this century.
 
"No more of that flakey white stuff!"

(CB's line from a mid-90's commercial about a "clear" anti-perspirant stick.)
 
The Christianity lifestyle is a contradiction within it self

christians bashing gays arent less christian then ones who support them
 
AKA seperate but equal.

Marriage, as far as this nation is concern, has always been a secular institution. Why on earth would he want to turn it into a religious institution now? Is it because he's homophobic, just like a lot of black men out there?


No, it's not. As far as this nation is concern, marriage has always been a secular institution. It's only recently with the gay marriage issue on hand that people like Obama try to convince people like you that it's a religious institution.


Yeah, so did black people back during segregation. But as we've learned from history, "seperate but equal" is total horseshit. Seperate could never be equal.


No, it's not. Marriage in this nation has always been a secular institution. When a straight couple get married in church, this church ceremonial marriage doesn't mean squat until they actually obtain a marriage license. I've been best man 5 times for 5 different couples. 2 of those weddings didn't even take place in a church or "sanctified" by any religious affiliated person.


He uses the word "equality" the same way that white southerners used it when they spoke of black people back during jim crow. I've watched him speak on this matter enough to see right through his veil. The fact is he is just another homophobic bigot that realizes he'll never get elected if people see him as a bigot.


Marriage has always been a secular institution. One of my friends just got married. It was a completely secular, atheist marriage ceremony.

Again, the marriage ceremony taking place in church doesn't mean diddly squat until they obtain a marriage lisence.

But in the last decade the religious right have been trying to convince gullible people like you that marriage is purely a religious institution. And lo and behold you bit their bait.


Right, right, and I suppose we should have just let those southern states keep their segregation policies in place? We should have let those southern states keep their bans on interracial marriage?

When it comes to human rights issues, there shouldn't be any compromise. Remember the 3/5 compromise? That's what you'd end up with if you begin to negotiate with bigots.

I know that a lot of you liberals out there don't care about marriage. So, you'd be happy with civil union. I know a lot of liberals who don't get married at all and just start living together without any formal recognition. If it makes you happy, god bless you. But not everyone is like that. I'm conservative with conservative ideals. And real conservative ideals treat everyone as equal, not just heteros. We deserve marriage, damn it, not this civil union 'seperate but equal' bullshit.

Added by edit.

Back in the 60s and early 70s after the supreme court finally declared segregation laws unconstitutional, some southern states closed down all their public schools and tried to convince the public that schools really ought to be a private institution. This was just an attempt to keep segregation in place through privatization of the schools.

Do you see a parallel? The religious right are arguing that marriage is a religious institution just so they could continue to deny gay people equal rights. I'm surprised not many people can see through this bullshit attempt that was already tried by the bigots 50 years ago.

You can argue this as you want but the idea, concept and act of marriage is originally a religous thing. Whether you agree with it or not. even in this nation cuz this nation was founded off people wanted to have freedom of thier own religion.


In almost every monotheism religion marriage is defined as a man and a woman becoming a union

and in basicly every monothestic homosexuality is a sin, so basicly gay marraige is sort of like an oxymoron

I undertsand where you are getting at cuz all you need is a licence to marry people but if Civil unions give homosexuals the same rights as married couples whats the big deal

I dont think there should be laws that bans gay marraige but i do understand the anti gay marraige(not enough to make a big deal out of it) but understand thier view none the less.
to same sexes forming a union isnt really called marraige cuz it does not fit the definition.

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well it does fit the definition if you do add the gay in front of it never mind
 
disagreed with some of the stuff he says but on this point, right on!
 
I'll explain why most black folks do not support marriage equality, or even care for gay people. Most black people (at least here in Georgia) are very spiritual people, AND go to the baptist church. That right there should explain why they don't like gays or support gay marriage. I've met a lot of black families that I would have thought might have supported us, but they didn't because it was "against their religion." So many people just think because they have been through many difficult times during the civil rights era, and that they are considered a minority, that they automatically support other minorities like gays and lesbians. Apparently it doesn't work that way, as I thought like that at one point too.

I had Charles Barkley on one of my flights once. He was in first class on a red eye from Phoenix to Atlanta. Seemed like a really nice guy, and he treated everyone with respect and honor. It was a pleasure to have him aboard.

Right, but I don't understand what that has to do with Charles Barkley or Barack Obama, two people who DO support gay rights. :confused:
 
AKA seperate but equal.

Marriage, as far as this nation is concern, has always been a secular institution. Why on earth would he want to turn it into a religious institution now? Is it because he's homophobic, just like a lot of black men out there?


No, it's not. As far as this nation is concern, marriage has always been a secular institution. It's only recently with the gay marriage issue on hand that people like Obama try to convince people like you that it's a religious institution.


Yeah, so did black people back during segregation. But as we've learned from history, "seperate but equal" is total horseshit. Seperate could never be equal.


No, it's not. Marriage in this nation has always been a secular institution. When a straight couple get married in church, this church ceremonial marriage doesn't mean squat until they actually obtain a marriage license. I've been best man 5 times for 5 different couples. 2 of those weddings didn't even take place in a church or "sanctified" by any religious affiliated person.


He uses the word "equality" the same way that white southerners used it when they spoke of black people back during jim crow. I've watched him speak on this matter enough to see right through his veil. The fact is he is just another homophobic bigot that realizes he'll never get elected if people see him as a bigot.


Marriage has always been a secular institution. One of my friends just got married. It was a completely secular, atheist marriage ceremony.

Again, the marriage ceremony taking place in church doesn't mean diddly squat until they obtain a marriage lisence.

But in the last decade the religious right have been trying to convince gullible people like you that marriage is purely a religious institution. And lo and behold you bit their bait.


Right, right, and I suppose we should have just let those southern states keep their segregation policies in place? We should have let those southern states keep their bans on interracial marriage?

When it comes to human rights issues, there shouldn't be any compromise. Remember the 3/5 compromise? That's what you'd end up with if you begin to negotiate with bigots.

I know that a lot of you liberals out there don't care about marriage. So, you'd be happy with civil union. I know a lot of liberals who don't get married at all and just start living together without any formal recognition. If it makes you happy, god bless you. But not everyone is like that. I'm conservative with conservative ideals. And real conservative ideals treat everyone as equal, not just heteros. We deserve marriage, damn it, not this civil union 'seperate but equal' bullshit.

Added by edit.

Back in the 60s and early 70s after the supreme court finally declared segregation laws unconstitutional, some southern states closed down all their public schools and tried to convince the public that schools really ought to be a private institution. This was just an attempt to keep segregation in place through privatization of the schools.

Do you see a parallel? The religious right are arguing that marriage is a religious institution just so they could continue to deny gay people equal rights. I'm surprised not many people can see through this bullshit attempt that was already tried by the bigots 50 years ago.


I'm still wondering who it is you think Charles Barkley SHOULD be supporting then, if not Barack Obama.
 
I'll explain why most black folks do not support marriage equality, or even care for gay people. Most black people (at least here in Georgia) are very spiritual people, AND go to the baptist church. That right there should explain why they don't like gays or support gay marriage. I've met a lot of black families that I would have thought might have supported us, but they didn't because it was "against their religion." So many people just think because they have been through many difficult times during the civil rights era, and that they are considered a minority, that they automatically support other minorities like gays and lesbians. Apparently it doesn't work that way, as I thought like that at one point too.

Comet, on your post about black support of other repressed minorities. I agree that a potential reason for lack of support of gay marriage w/in the black community could be rooted in beliefs founded in the black church. Not passing judgement on whether this is good or bad, but can understand the need for religion in black culture. But looking at the the last line of your quote, could it be that the lack of black support is due to the lack of past gay community support of black issues? Look at Dduder's quote about the negatives of affirmative action, as he perceives it to be a pro-black initiative-

Yes, the "White priviledge" that if a White kid and a Black kid have the exact same SAT score and the university has only one spot, it goes to the Black kid due to affirmative action. The "white priviledge" that if two job applicants, one White and one Black, the White guys having superior qualifications than the Black guy, the job goes to the Black guy to fill the minority quota. "White priviledge" is something that White men had in the 19th century and up to the 1950's in the South, but is long gone. White men today have no priviledges and actually have several disadvantages rectified by law. I wonder how "priviledged" a White shoe salesman is compared to, say, Michael Jordan.

This quote, coupled with many other quotes that have been questionable, unfounded, and disrespectful regarding topics relating to blacks from different threads on this website calls into question the amount that issues important to the black community are truly supported by the GBT community.

Dduder, I must admit, your blatant feelings about white privilege v. affirmative action are not only disturbing, but absolutely incorrect. Where did you get your information? Is it hear-say??? I think so. Here's why- many studies have been conducted to conclude that as a society, we all benefit from pro-diversity initiatives. However, white women benefit most directly from affirmative action programs.

See quote below (from http://www.iupui.edu/~aao/myths.html <--- interesting website, educate yourself about affirmative action.):

"Many reports on affirmative action in the public media have focused only on the aspect of African-Americans and affirmative action versus the "angry white male". Many articles fail to acknowledge the multifaceted dynamics of affirmative action which incorporate Latinos, Chicanos, Asians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, and women. In fact, studies show that white women tend to be the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action.

So before you mount your white horse (no pun intended) on a crusade to derail affirmative action as the sole beneficiary being that 'black guy / kid' and work to restore a presumptive white privilege (which has not disappeared at all), please talk to your mother, sister, cousins, nieces, white female friends, etc all of whom have probably benefitted from affirmative action more than the black guy down the street.

I'm not trying to turn this thread into a referendum on affirmative action, just wanted to clear up a misinterpretation about the initiative.
 
Go, Suh Cholls!

I always throught there was nore sense in your head than you were credited with having.
 
So he should support Hillary or McCain who ALSO don't support gay marriage?

And what do black people have to do with this? :confused:

First, McCain has never said to my knowledge that he was "100% against gay marriage" as Obama has said. Actually, McCain is somewhat luke warm to the idea in some sense.

Anyhoo, oh dear god do I have to explain it out for ya? Let's see...

Barkley is black who said that he is for gay marriage and basically tired of the religious right's moral attitude. Well, Obama is against gay marriage. Black people, who overwhelmingly vote Dem, are the biggest group against gay marriage according to a USA Today poll a few years back. The black community's reason for being against gays is rooted in religion. My point was that Barkley was trying to have it both ways while demonizing one Party on the gay issue and not realizing the Dems very own religious right crowd who just happens to be black. So to answer your question...

Currently I refuse to put my vote behind anyone. :grrr:
 
First, McCain has never said to my knowledge that he was "100% against gay marriage" as Obama has said. Actually, McCain is somewhat luke warm to the idea in some sense.

Anyhoo, oh dear god do I have to explain it out for ya? Let's see...

Barkley is black who said that he is for gay marriage and basically tired of the religious right's moral attitude. Well, Obama is against gay marriage. Black people, who overwhelmingly vote Dem, are the biggest group against gay marriage according to a USA Today poll a few years back. The black community's reason for being against gays is rooted in religion. My point was that Barkley was trying to have it both ways while demonizing one Party on the gay issue and not realizing the Dems very own religious right crowd who just happens to be black. So to answer your question...

Currently I refuse to put my vote behind anyone. :grrr:

Right, but you're linking Obama's lack of support for gay marriage with his race and religious values, while ignoring the lack of support for gay marriage from Hillary and McCain, neither of whom are black.

Barkley and Obama being black really should have no bearing on this entire subject.

Oh, and McCain IS against gay marriage. Not sure of your sources.



Refusing to put your vote behind anyone is stupid, especially because there are two candidates who support every other positive LGBT piece of legislation.
 
McCain's position has been for DOMA, against a federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and for states to make their own decisions on the issue. Of course, he then supported a ballot initiative in his own state of Arizona that wanted to ban gay marriage there, so it's pretty hard to draw any conclusion that he supports gay marriage in any way. At best he's saying that if states like Massachusetts want it, they can have it but that other states and the federal gov't won't recognize those marriages.

As for Obama, he was not raised in a traditional African-American religious background. His mother is white and raised non-religiously. His father was born in Kenya and raised Muslim but as an adult was an atheist. Obama only joined a church sometime in the late 80s. His church is part of the UCC, which is interestingly one of the few denominations in the US that actually openly supports full same-sex marriage. I'm personally convinced that he, Hillary and John Edwards probably would all openly support gay marriage if they weren't politicians running for office. They're all too afraid of offending religious voters and have taken the middle ground of supporting civil unions instead. I understand that those are the political realities but it's still quite sad.
 
McCain's position has been for DOMA, against a federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and for states to make their own decisions on the issue. Of course, he then supported a ballot initiative in his own state of Arizona that wanted to ban gay marriage there, so it's pretty hard to draw any conclusion that he supports gay marriage in any way. At best he's saying that if states like Massachusetts want it, they can have it but that other states and the federal gov't won't recognize those marriages.

As for Obama, he was not raised in a traditional African-American religious background. His mother is white and raised non-religiously. His father was born in Kenya and raised Muslim but as an adult was an atheist. Obama only joined a church sometime in the late 80s. His church is part of the UCC, which is interestingly one of the few denominations in the US that actually openly supports full same-sex marriage. I'm personally convinced that he, Hillary and John Edwards probably would all openly support gay marriage if they weren't politicians running for office. They're all too afraid of offending religious voters and have taken the middle ground of supporting civil unions instead. I understand that those are the political realities but it's still quite sad.

Same. It was funny to watch them all squirm as they tried to come up with reasons why not to support gay marriage on the HRC forum that aired on Logo. None of it made any sense.
 
Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).


If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16).


If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or who are blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

...

these were certainly upheld at one point or another in church history, why not now if it's a part of christianity? because it's not socially acceptable? picking and choosing how you want your already established religion to be NOW does not make it official, even if jesus contradicted so much in the old testament by saying "love thy neighbor as thyself".


:=D::=D::=D::=D::=D::=D::=D::=D::=D::=D:

I love how people take that passage from Leviticus about "Man shall not lie with man as with woman; it is an abomination unto God." They completely ignore the rest of the bullshit rules that people of put into the bible like how people that marry and divorce and marry again should be put to death or that slavery is acceptable.

Give it time; Christians will come around and abolish this, too.
 
there is NO such thing as "Fake Christians"

because no one can prove who is fake and who is not fake.
 
I love Charles Barkley and I could see him winning the race for governor, even with is beliefs. While quite a few of them do run counter to the beliefs of most in Alabama, you have to understand how bad our government has been for the past 20 years or so. We have one former governor in federal prison right now. I actually like our governor right now quite a bit, because even though he is a republican and I am not, he has been pretty good and is certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the people he has run against.

As for the gay marriage argument, well, I believe that there are issues right now in our country far, far more important gay marriage. The New Republic had their own little primary thing with short statements form people about which democratic candidate they supported (Clinton or Obama). One of the guys was a leader in one of the gay activist organizations and he stated that he didn't support any candidate because none of the candidates supported him. I understood the sentiment, but also didn't like it. I just had to wonder if this person would vote for say Mike Huckabee if he did support gay marriage, but that was the only position he had that was different from his current beliefs. I wouldn't.

But I love Charles Barkley. He is on one of the radio shows quite a bit here and always has me cracking up
 
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