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Chest Deformities (sad and depressed)

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Hey guys, last week i had an appointment with a plastic surgeon,because i plan to have a tummy tuck and removal of excess fat from my chest,but when i took my shirt off she said "oh! you have the pigeon chest that sticks out" i thought to myself ok,whatever. lastnight i got curious about the name "pigeon chest" and i googled it. Turns out it's a deformity? and i could have gotten some help for it when i was younger? you guys! i feel so down right now! it's just another pile of shit on me to make me feel even worse about myself. I saw pics of this so-called "pigeon chest" and its the total opposite of what i have,the pics were of guys with a more of a sunkin chest,I on the other hand have a more puffy look,kinda like if you were to suck all your air in and hold it. any advice or guys on here that have this or been with a guy thats had this "deformity" :cry:
 
If you didn't notice it before now, it likely isn't the world-ending catastrophe you are thinking. I was born with pectus excavatum, one of those sunken chests you saw, and just last year I underwent a surgery to correct it. The surgery was mostly a success, however I must spend three years with two steel bars inside my chest, and the surgery was, how should I say, a horrific experience. Also, very, very expensive. My ribcage is also deformed in a separate manner so there is still a little dip. I intend to cover that up with muscle as I get back into my strength training.

However, my excavatum was pressing dangerously only my lungs and my heart, and even though no serious consequences had arisen at the time, it was only getting worse. I had noticed this deformity all my life, and led to be being self-conscious to the point of avoiding any social situation where my shirt would be off... swimming, sex... even just changing clothes became the ultimate embarrassment.

You are certainly not alone. I became deeply depressed by my condition which led to my opting for the surgery (but even then I would only do so if it would be a health risk in the future: Indeed, they will not allow the surgery for purely cosmetic reasons. But try to keep your chin up... it doesn't really seem that bad to me, but then again I am going on nothing but an alias and a limited description. What you have, though, is pectus carinatum, or the opposite of my excavatum. Again, if you did not notice it before now, you will likely get over it: Imagine being haunted all your young life by it, you are twenty-one I imagine? It cannot be that extreme.

This is where I am going to be a little rough: Fuck the plastic surgeries... start eating reasonably and exercising. Start a complete chest building program, hit the weights heavy and you can fill that 'excess' area with muscle. A little carinatum can be a blessing in disguise: If you can get your pectorals to match, or just almost match your protrusion, you can have a pretty incredible chest. Again, I am going on assumptions, but a good fitness program would be good for you. Melt that fat off naturally, tone yourself up, and become sexy all over. When you are sexy all over, your faults, even serious, become little more than endearments and talking points if you can back it up. A weasel of a guy with carinatum is going to look like a foot, a fit guy with carinatum could end up Superman. Even if with my full-on excavatum, and I assure you it was not minor, I found the power to be sexy. I have incredible legs, and one of the finest asses I have ever seen. My chest? Yeah, it sucked.

Sounds like you might also be dealing with a loser "professional" as well. "Pigeon chest" is not a medical term, and you should never tell a patient coming in for a corrective surgery that something else is explicitly wrong with them... in bad form to be sure. Plastic surgeons, and you yourself, it seems, are concerned with an ideal of perfection. Give it a rest! Focus on your good aspects, while you bring your bad ones up to speed. I have puffy nipples... I used to hate my puffy nipples! But now they are kind of sexy. Actually, I know they are sexy. All the teasing doesn't seem to add up when you've got people loving on your tits. Just remember that beauty is incredibly relative: The Ancient Greeks thought a large penis was an embarrassment. That, sir, did not hold to the test of time.

You are fine. Unless it is extreme, then you are not, but if it was enough for you to not notice at all until someone else essentially teased you, then not bad enough for you to just go "whatever," and have to look it up... you are okay. The surgeries are also not fun, they are more like tortures. If I had to describe the first two or three months of my experience, it would be like having two javelin shoved through your body and left, yes left, for months. All you can do is lay on your back: Of course, the drugs given you for the agonizing pain keep you asleep for weeks on end. Then you have the side effect of almost dying because you become critically constipated and throw up all over. Ever throw up with steel bars in your chest? I am a professional martial artist and was a competitive Jiu-jitsu player, I have had my body tested to it's mortal limits, and nothing compares. Was it worth it? Yes. Would I do it again? No.

You are young, you have a lot to live for. You actually do, it doesn't seem that way, but you do. Get out there and start making yourself great. I am severely depressed, but I channel my depression into fuel. I hope you can find peace in your mind to accept yourself.
 
My brother was born with pectus excavatum, and he had to have it fixed because the hole was increasing as he grew up, and it had started affecting his heart and lungs.


He now has a long scar in front of his chest, looks like he had heart surgery.


I don't know if you want that.
 
The most modern procedure, the Nuss, places two to four (for two bars) incisions under the armpits that leave modest scars. The more skill the surgeon has, the smaller the scars. Dr. Kokoska was a real artist, I am glad I had a good stay at a truly world class facility (Arkansas Children's Hospital).

Your brother had the Ravitch, or the "smashy cracky" procedure. Faster, but the chest is less stable afterward, but it leaves big mid-chest scarring. Nuss is exactly like braces for your sternum. Slide them in, slide them out. I believe they do a reverse Ravitch for carinatum. I would not do Ravitch unless I was dead set I needed it done.
 
Yeah, Nuss would have just debuted around then. The Ravitch is still done, though, as it is indeed much, much faster recovery.
 
What your were told is correct, however what you have is called, Pectus Carinatum, or "Pigeon's Chest". Having had the successful corrective surgery myself, I do have the hypertrophic scar from the midline incision. Having the surgery will mildly appeal to your self-image, however with it you gain the insecurity of having the midline scar, which, from experience, takes a great amount of time to heal and 'blend' with your normal flesh tone. I advocate for the procedure, though strongly encourage researching various methods the procedure is done and discussing with the surgeon on how to have the correction done without having the incision made across the midline of the body. There are also non-surgical methods, though you should consult your surgeon to assess if your condition is correctable by such means.
 
Thank you all for your feed back,especially brer_fox.

..I've struggled with my body image all my life being overwieght,so after a couple years of diet and exercise i lost the wieght but it was my chst that was noticeable,but honestly i didn't think anything of it beacouse i had never heard of any type of chest deformity,I only thought it was the excess fat that makes me look like i have perky breasts lol but after really looing at myself close in the mirror (extremely hard to do) i noticed i am wide from my chest and sticks out,From the front i look ok,but when i turn to my side its really noticable.

Another thing that really struck me on this is that its linked to children who had severe asthma as a child,and i did! i was always sick and making trips to the hospital to treat my asthma,as a grown up now my doctor would say i don't have asthma anymoreand my lungs are healthy,but i still have shortness of breath time to time wich is also a symptom of this deformity. Another thing is why didn't my doctors ever say anythng to me about this? beacouse it is noticable. i wish i could post up pics,but i don't know how. :(
 
Your doctors didn't tell you because pectus deformities are "voodoo" medicine, it is not well known, and seems fantastical only because it is so specialized. Even in ACH I had a few nurses who had never seen it before. It falls into the spectrum of HIV, Morgellon's, depression and other demonized medical cases. For some odd reason some doctors just don't like dealing with certain things, so they will ignore them. Same with your parents.

They probably thought if they never told you they would never notice, or that you would grow out of it. It is a lack of fundamental knowledge of human anatomy with a tinge of disappointment and apathy. It is rooted in us to dispose of those who are visually deformed, whether you like it or not your parents had to shut that part of you out. But that does not change what I said earlier: Take those perky breasts and convert them to bulging man chest. Do it, and experience victory. In your case, chest exercise may actually help pull your chest down a bit. Don't obsess over it, just go do something else and remember that everything passes in time. You seem to have obsessive compulsive traits, I know how hard it is to resist the compulsion to remember your chest at every second of your life.
 
I too had severe asthma as a child and was overweight for most of my life, still am at some degree. I have noticed that my chest is a little bit puffy, but I've never thought about getting surgery for it, cosmetic surgery to me seems like a much more painful and drastic then working out.
I took a course on weight lifting back in 06 and lost over 30 pounds during the first 3 months of the class. Then I gained about 10 more but it was all muscle, and my chest looked a lot smaller and better afterwards.
I have somehow maintained that weight ever since and recently I started a routine, in which Codeerror helped me (thank you Code!!! ;) ) and with just a couple of weeks of doing it, doing some cardio and watching what I eat, my pants are already a little loose and my chest feels tighter and better.
Working on your chest is hard, and it can hurt, but if you get serious about it, it can give very good results. I used to really think I had tits, but now it doesn't look that bad anymore and my chest is way smaller than what it used to be.
Aside from that, I can relate to the whole teasing and awkwardness that it brings, I still have issues with swimming, changing in front of someone else and nudity, but I came to a point when I have realized that this is me, if people like it, great, if not, fuck them.
I work out because it makes me feel better, becuase it helps with my health, and because I like the results. It has taken me time, but it has been good and to be honest with you, I did face a lot of rejection from guys because of how I looked, but I learned to realize that people who can turn you down that swiftly or mock you because of a physical trait like that, are NOT worth your time, nor your thoughts.
Here are 2 pics of how I look now that I've been working out for a while.
 

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funny that you mention that about my parents. I mentioned to my mom earlyer holding back the tears of anger because i hate the word "deformed" and she was surprised to hear what i had found out,but she said i didn't look bad. Now another queston. Can this be hereditary? and should i go to my doctor and ask to have tests done? i'd really like to see an x-ray of my chest.
 
I am with Brer Fox. If you had never noticed it before, forget it. By the way Brer Fox, your first post was pretty powerful.
 
funny that you mention that about my parents. I mentioned to my mom earlyer holding back the tears of anger because i hate the word "deformed" and she was surprised to hear what i had found out,but she said i didn't look bad. Now another queston. Can this be hereditary? and should i go to my doctor and ask to have tests done? i'd really like to see an x-ray of my chest.

Let's be clear on the word "deformity". It is a word that is used by clinicians that has a much different meaning in the medical world that is does to laymen. "Chest wall deformity" just describes a group of variations in the structure of the chest. About 1 in 500 patients have them.

Not all of these disorders require correction or surgery. More than likely, if your pectus were severe, your pediatrician would have noticed it and would have sent you to a thoracic surgeon for evaluation.

I don't think the issue here is necessarily your "deformity". It is really about how you feel about your body and the way you see your body, isn't it?
 
Let's be clear on the word "deformity". It is a word that is used by clinicians that has a much different meaning in the medical world that is does to laymen. "Chest wall deformity" just describes a group of variations in the structure of the chest. About 1 in 500 patients have them.

Not all of these disorders require correction or surgery. More than likely, if your pectus were severe, your pediatrician would have noticed it and would have sent you to a thoracic surgeon for evaluation.

I don't think the issue here is necessarily your "deformity". It is really about how you feel about your body and the way you see your body, isn't it?

yes it is about how i see my body,but also my health. i think that if doctors in my past saw this was happening to me,why couldn't have they brought it up ? especially if its a child.
 
yes it is about how i see my body,but also my health. i think that if doctors in my past saw this was happening to me,why couldn't have they brought it up ? especially if its a child.

I can't determine the severity of your P.C. but as I mentioned before, it is very common and usually doesn't cause a problem. I have seen some very thin males where the PC was very noticeable but I have also seen large guys or muscular guys where the PC was only visible when the examiner looked closely or actually felt the

For example, this guy is quite thin and his PC is very noticeable:
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On the other hand, this guy has a normal sized body and his PC is only noticeable when you look at him from the side.
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It's not often that PC is treated. There are some external braces that doctors will occasionally try. Surgical solutions are avoided because they are rather risky (they generally have to break the breastbone and put back together).
 
yea see i don't think i look like either of those guys my chest has more of this shape when you see me from the side >> D it looks like an evenly capital sized d lol sorry i can't compare to something more explanitory but thats all i could think of.
 
yea see i don't think i look like either of those guys my chest has more of this shape when you see me from the side >> D it looks like an evenly capital sized d lol sorry i can't compare to something more explanitory but thats all i could think of.

The second picture is the classic "D" pattern of PC. It's just not as noticeable because he has an otherwise mesomorphic body. Check out the angle between his shoulder and his nipple- it's a very sharp angle.

The point that I'm trying to make is that PC and PE are variations that most people don't know they have and most of the people around them don't notice. Those of us- like your surgeon- who are trained to look for these things see them. Until it was pointed out, you probaby never saw it either.

The good news is that the second guy is going to look very good in a T-shirt once he clears up the fat deposits under his nipples (gynecomastia) and he builds up the muscles in his arms and upper chest.

You've lost a lot of weight. That weight changed your body while you were carrying it around. In your mind, you're going to see yourself as "the fat kid" for a while. Then you're going to start obsessing about the remnants from the weight loss- the gynecomastia, the lose skin, the barrel chest, etc.

People are going to look at you and say "You've lost weight. You look great." In your mind, it's going to be a while before you see what everyone else is able to see.

There are no perfect bodies.

The issue is not your body from the neck down. The problem is your body from the neck up. You're working through the body images that a lot of people in your situation work through. I don't want to minimize your struggle but you've got to start looking forward and not backward. You've gotten into shape and you need to give yourself credit for that. It's time to stop focusing on your short-comings and "deformities" and start working on your self-image. Working out at the gym will help with that. It sounds like you're considering a tuck and lift surgery. These are all positives.

Continue to work on the things that you can change.
 
The second picture is the classic "D" pattern of PC. It's just not as noticeable because he has an otherwise mesomorphic body. Check out the angle between his shoulder and his nipple- it's a very sharp angle.

The point that I'm trying to make is that PC and PE are variations that most people don't know they have and most of the people around them don't notice. Those of us- like your surgeon- who are trained to look for these things see them. Until it was pointed out, you probaby never saw it either.

The good news is that the second guy is going to look very good in a T-shirt once he clears up the fat deposits under his nipples (gynecomastia) and he builds up the muscles in his arms and upper chest.

You've lost a lot of weight. That weight changed your body while you were carrying it around. In your mind, you're going to see yourself as "the fat kid" for a while. Then you're going to start obsessing about the remnants from the weight loss- the gynecomastia, the lose skin, the barrel chest, etc.

People are going to look at you and say "You've lost weight. You look great." In your mind, it's going to be a while before you see what everyone else is able to see.

There are no perfect bodies.

The issue is not your body from the neck down. The problem is your body from the neck up. You're working through the body images that a lot of people in your situation work through. I don't want to minimize your struggle but you've got to start looking forward and not backward. You've gotten into shape and you need to give yourself credit for that. It's time to stop focusing on your short-comings and "deformities" and start working on your self-image. Working out at the gym will help with that. It sounds like you're considering a tuck and lift surgery. These are all positives.

Continue to work on the things that you can change.

Your completely right! i have lost all that wieght,and everyone around me has noticed,but i still see myelf as the old me,and now that i noticed my chest it got me down more,but i totally understand that i can indeed change my appearence by working out alot more and then my surgery later next year. Thanks for all the advice!
 
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