Chris Crocker [merged]

[RicanDAB]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

Oh wow ... I should look into becoming a psychic ... ... From Sept. 11, 2007:

More Chris Crocker?? Oh dang!

Something tells me this boy will end up with his own reality show ... ... you heard it here first!

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3115817&highlight=show#post3115817

 

[paulomendez]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

To say that closeted teens will look at Chris and stay in the closet is like saying Charles Nelson Riley, Rip Taylor, RuPaul or Paul Lyne kept people in the closet.

 

[paulomendez]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

by the way.... I think that Homophoiba doesn't exist because of flambouyant gay men like Chris Crocker.

Homophobia exists because of all the sad, pathetic "straight acting" closet cases who don't come out to show that not all gay men are like that.. That gay men are - for the most part - just regular guys. Instead they hide away because they have no balls and the only gay men who are seen are the guys like Chris Crocker who can't - or won't - hide being gay.

Sorry.. bitch all you want.. until you are out to EVERYONE IN YOUR LIFE, you don't have the right to say anything about him.

Too right you are!

 

[paulomendez]

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I hope youguys know Chris has an Agent and has been working towards this for a while... he wasi n talks with people before the whoel Britney thing.

The Britney thing shot him into the limelight faster but he eventually would of got there.

Like I said look at his profile, he's got professionally done pictures and everything.

All these peopel blaming him for the most ludacris things, is all just silly.

Some say there's kid in the closet and they're seeing him and won't come out because they're 'not like him'
Well I got a news flash there's gay kids liek Chris Crocker just bursting at the seams to come out... There's kids not like him, who will probably come out because hey might have some of the same views, liek GAY people HATING ON GAY people in the GAY COMMUNITY.

Plus it's not like Chris is the only face of gayness right now. YouTube is filled with popular gay tubers. People like Chris will turn to Chris, people who aren't like him will find other gays as a role model.

 

[gmoney]

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by the way.... I think that Homophoiba doesn't exist because of flambouyant gay men like Chris Crocker.

Homophobia exists because of all the sad, pathetic "straight acting" closet cases who don't come out to show that not all gay men are like that.. That gay men are - for the most part - just regular guys. Instead they hide away because they have no balls and the only gay men who are seen are the guys like Chris Crocker who can't - or won't - hide being gay.

Sorry.. bitch all you want.. until you are out to EVERYONE IN YOUR LIFE, you don't have the right to say anything about him.

Jasun, I didn't come out until a little over a year ago. I don't think it was because of what previous gay men who flamed the public with all their "I want everyone to know I'm gay" mentality. I had my own private reasons. Many of which were accepting myself for me and not what the rest of the public thought.

Those that choose to be flambouyant are in their own right. I still don't see that as a positive reflection on the gay community as a whole. I don't condemn those who choose that lifestyle, I just don't like seeing it as the "this is how we are" mentality that most of the general population will think when we are represented in this fashion.

 

[yuty]

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God help us.

Is it too much to ask for ONE, highly visible gay role model that isn't crazy?

All we ever get are jackasses like Boy George, Rosie O'Donnell, Elton John and now for the 21st century Chris Fucking Crocker.....

 

[ILLBFIRE]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

God help us.

Is it too much to ask for ONE, highly visible gay role model that isn't crazy?

All we ever get are jackasses like Boy George, Rosie O'Donnell, Elton John and now for the 21st century Chris Fucking Crocker.....

Neil Patrick Harris.....T.R. Knight......John Barrowman .....Nate Berkus

The list goes on and on but all you want to see is guys that you think are to femme, that way you can justify your homophbic attitude towards them.


p.s. I just LOVE Jeffree Star!!!!! I hope his show is a blast.

 

[Soilwork]

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One of the problems with the gay community is that they don't celebfrate their own enough.

They sure LOVE to whine about the people they dont' like... but they don't bother to support positive gay role modles.

They moan about the screaming fembots like The Scissor Sisters but they totally ignore cool, sexy and positive gay role models like Gregory Douglass and Eric Himen.

They complain loudly about Chris Crocker but they pretty much ignore the countless gay guys on YouTube who aren't lightning rods for homophobic freaks.

 

[2243]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

by the way.... I think that Homophoiba doesn't exist because of flambouyant gay men like Chris Crocker.

Homophobia exists because of all the sad, pathetic "straight acting" closet cases who don't come out to show that not all gay men are like that.. That gay men are - for the most part - just regular guys. Instead they hide away because they have no balls and the only gay men who are seen are the guys like Chris Crocker who can't - or won't - hide being gay.

Sorry.. bitch all you want.. until you are out to EVERYONE IN YOUR LIFE, you don't have the right to say anything about him.

You've made a good point for me. I'm "closeted" and I don't judge Chris Crocker for having the guts to be so "out"; however, you say I have no right to say anything about him and yet you stand in judgement of me and other "closeted" guys even though you don't know why or what it's like to be "closeted" past the teen-years. Hypocrisy, I say.

I have to say, only morons will truly believe Chris Crocker is a representation of all homosexuals, homophobic morons who will not notice that I am gay, whether I am "in the closet" or not.

 

[Soilwork]

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you say I have no right to say anything about him and yet you stand in judgement of me and other "closeted" guys even though you don't know why or what it's like to be "closeted" past the teen-years. Hypocrisy, I say.

How so?

I don't understand.

All I know is that people who live in the closet do so becasue they lack the guts to come out. So.. how does it make me a hypocrit when I have guts? I mean..I don't need to be a coward to know one when I see one and I dont' need to be a bull to know the smell of bull shit.

I'm not telling you that you have to come out. Just that I think you're a coward for not doing it.

 

[paintact]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

One of the problems with the gay community is that they don't celebfrate their own enough.

They sure LOVE to whine about the people they dont' like... but they don't bother to support positive gay role modles.

They moan about the screaming fembots like The Scissor Sisters but they totally ignore cool, sexy and positive gay role models like Gregory Douglass and Eric Himen.

They complain loudly about Chris Crocker but they pretty much ignore the countless gay guys on YouTube who aren't lightning rods for homophobic freaks.

Chris is who he is. He has the right to be who he is. Regardless of him being flamboyant or feminine, I still do not agree with everything he says or believes, and may think he is out of touch with reality on some things. Again, that is just my personal opinion. I think what we fail to do is separate the fact that if we want people to be accepting of who we are...then who are we to judge Chris?

I am not really even trying to defend him.
But I do think that we fail to separate the sexuality and masculine/feminine nature of an individual from the things they say and believe...as if those elements wholly define an individual, and are inherently tied to one's sexuality or mannerisms.
I could care less about the flamboyant, feminine nature. I simply have issues with some of the things he actually believes in and talks about. But...like a mature adult, I simply agree to disagree. I do not turn around and hate him and bash him...like so many do to other well known gay people.

The MAIN issue I have is not so much with Chris, or Perez, or any of them...it is with our own community and the mass media. My issue is that the system seems to continuously stick to the stereotype when it comes to representing us in the media, entertainment and the like. There is so much DIVERSITY within our community (from race to masculine/feminine nature to god knows what else) that is NEVER shown. To this day, that is the issue I have. How we are represented, and how we represent ourselves, is what makes me frustrated. Thus, I can understand why people get upset when people like Chris Crocker continuously become the public image of what "GAY" is...whether that is the initial intention or not. And again, it is not placing sole blame on media and entertainment, but looking at our own accountability. We are primarily responsible for the image we put out, and even within the gay community and gay culture, I (personally) feel that there is so much more that could be represented and celebrated, and simply is not.

 

[2243]

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Chris is who he is. He has the right to be who he is. Regardless of him being flamboyant or feminine, I still do not agree with everything he says or believes, and may think he is out of touch with reality on some things. Again, that is just my personal opinion. I think what we fail to do is separate the fact that if we want people to be accepting of who we are...then who are we to judge Chris?

I am not really even trying to defend him.
But I do think that we fail to separate the sexuality and masculine/feminine nature of an individual from the things they say and believe...as if those elements wholly define an individual, and are inherently tied to one's sexuality or mannerisms.
I could care less about the flamboyant, feminine nature. I simply have issues with some of the things he actually believes in and talks about. But...like a mature adult, I simply agree to disagree. I do not turn around and hate him and bash him...like so many do to other well known gay people.

The MAIN issue I have is not so much with Chris, or Perez, or any of them...it is with our own community and the mass media. My issue is that the system seems to continuously stick to the stereotype when it comes to representing us in the media, entertainment and the like. There is so much DIVERSITY within our community (from race to masculine/feminine nature to god knows what else) that is NEVER shown. To this day, that is the issue I have. How we are represented, and how we represent ourselves, is what makes me frustrated. Thus, I can understand why people get upset when people like Chris Crocker continuously become the public image of what "GAY" is...whether that is the initial intention or not. And again, it is not placing sole blame on media and entertainment, but looking at our own accountability. We are primarily responsible for the image we put out, and even within the gay community and gay culture, I (personally) feel that there is so much more that could be represented and celebrated, and simply is not.

I agree with you that we definitely need to stop defining our selves wholly on our sexual preferences, but when it comes to television entertainment and the media misrepresentation will be attached to most all minority groups. In the end what really matters is that you and those you care about acknowledge that you are not what is being misrepresented.

 

[2243]

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How so?

I don't understand.

All I know is that people who live in the closet do so becasue they lack the guts to come out. So.. how does it make me a hypocrit when I have guts? I mean..I don't need to be a coward to know one when I see one and I dont' need to be a bull to know the smell of bull shit.

I'm not telling you that you have to come out. Just that I think you're a coward for not doing it.

I believe that living/being "in the closet" is different for every one. Some find their way out quick and easy while others don't and may not ever find a way out. You seem to believe that it's the same for everyone, "All I know is that people who live in the closet do so because they lack the guts (balls and spines) to come out". That's why you can't see the hypocrisy in your post I quoted before. I'm not saying there is no such thing as a coward "in the closet", just that the same way they shouldn't judge someone who is very "out", you shouldn't judge many others who have been and still are trying to find they're way "out"; although, I do believe you both still have the right to do so.

 

[star-warrior]

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There's only so much tantrum and exaggerated caricatureness anyone can take.

Let him have his show. Once it gets boring, maybe it'll sink like a lead balloon, and he ends up being the butt of everyone's jokes. Serves him right if he does.

 

[Pushover]

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How so?

I don't understand.

All I know is that people who live in the closet do so becasue they lack the guts to come out. So.. how does it make me a hypocrit when I have guts? I mean..I don't need to be a coward to know one when I see one and I dont' need to be a bull to know the smell of bull shit.

I'm not telling you that you have to come out. Just that I think you're a coward for not doing it.

Once again you open your mouth and another broad generalization comes out.

Have you ever been in the closet, per say? Have you ever had to hide from being gay? Maybe you should follow what you preach and stop blaming closeted people until you've been one yourself with reason to stay in.

*waits for SW to post with the intent to flame and bash*

 

[Pushover]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

Personally, I don't give a rat's patoot if he's gay, straight, bi, or a monkey's uncle. The fact that he's getting his own show and the reason why he's getting it is what irritates me.

Anyone with a webcam and mediocre acting skills can become a celebrity now?

 

[Soilwork]

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I believe that living/being "in the closet" is different for every one. Some find their way out quick and easy while others don't and may not ever find a way out. You seem to believe that it's the same for everyone, "All I know is that people who live in the closet do so because they lack the guts (balls and spines) to come out". That's why you can't see the hypocrisy in your post I quoted before. I'm not saying there is no such thing as a coward "in the closet", just that the same way they shouldn't judge someone who is very "out", you shouldn't judge many others who have been and still are trying to find they're way "out"; although, I do believe you both still have the right to do so.

OK... but... erg.

I get it that it's harder for some people to come out.

I really do.

That being said, I still haven't ever heard a reason for being in the closet (in North America) that doesnt' boil down to "I'm afraid." which really doesn't wash as a reason for me past early 20s.

I'm still waiting to hear one.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

There's only so much tantrum and exaggerated caricatureness anyone can take.

Let him have his show. Once it gets boring, maybe it'll sink like a lead balloon, and he ends up being the butt of everyone's jokes. Serves him right if he does.

That's pretty much true. That whole thing (no matter how funny I personally find it in small two-second doses) will get tired very fast.

Let's think of him like Saturday Night Live. There are LOTS of characters that made great 1-minute skits but once they made full-length movies out of them.. ker-plunk.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

Once again you open your mouth and another broad generalization comes out.

Have you ever been in the closet, per say? Have you ever had to hide from being gay? Maybe you should follow what you preach and stop blaming closeted people until you've been one yourself with reason to stay in.

*waits for SW to post with the intent to flame and bash*

No no.. I get it that I'm painting with a VERY wide brush. I even know that I'm not being 100% fair. But I'm trying to maybe shed some light on the subject and maybe provoke a bit more discussion.

If we're so offended by someone who does a gay character in a funny and over-exaggerated way, that's fine.. if we blame something THAT silly for not being able to come out, doesn't that seem rather silly?

Of course I wasn't always out. But I've been out pretty much my whole adult life. Yes there was quite a period of adjustment but that's called "growing up." I mean.. shoudlnt' everyone eventually do that?

 

[tomersh]

Re: Chris Crocker Getting His Own TV Show!

all we can do is hope for the best....