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Christian Employee Suspended Over Gay Rights Remarks

I wouldn't find it grounds for dismissal.

Just one more reason I don't discuss religion or politics at work.
 
Those pleading for tolerance are proving to be the least tolerant of all.
 
Glad we have the First Amendment in America.
 
To me, it sounds like he was approached with the question, and he answered it. Fair enough, even if you don't agree with him.

I say that this is odd.
 
On its own, there is no real grounds for dismissal, but if he was aware that they were not to promote their religious views, then I suppose its his own fault.

Freedom of speech is great, but I assume this is a private organization, and they have a right to limit the freedom of speech of their employees. If they do not like it, then work for another charity. If I were an employer, I would want to make it policy for my employees not to say anything negative about a particular group of people, and that includes saying that all homosexual couples do not deserve marriage rights equal to heterosexual couples.
 
Glad we have the First Amendment in America.

This example has nothing to do with the First Amendment. That simply says the government can't take away your right to free speech. Employers are not restricted from firing people for saying or doing the wrong things. For example, if an employee chose to make a public statement that was at odds with the positions of a particular company, they can certainly be fired for that.

You might disagree with the action or find it too harsh or unkind, but there would certainly be nothing illegal about it.
 
To me, it sounds like he was approached with the question, and he answered it. Fair enough, even if you don't agree with him.

I say that this is odd.

It is "odd". And a tad disturbing.

It appears the suspended employee was possibly "stitched up" by the work colleague he had the conversation with.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ver-religious-debate-with-work-colleague.html

If we have watch every word we utter in public, are we not living in a society similar to Stalin's Russia, Hitler's Germany, Franco's Spain, the Taleban's Afghanistan, homophobic Jamaica, Chinese controlled Tibet, North Korea...?
 
Just another observation re this topic.

A female work colleague comes in every day dressed in the hijab. Her face is not covered, but everthing else is.

Without uttering a word she is making a religious/political/sexual statement, in public, and in a UK government office.

If greaves came into the same place of work every day wearing a badge saying "Support gay rights in Jamaica."...well, you know the rest:

he would be asked to remove it. If he refused to do so? End of greaves' career in the civil service.

He would be regarded as totally "batty", and sent on "extended leave" to some wonderful, paradise island in the Caribbean aka Jamaica, which is not only one of the most homophobic countries in the world, but also has one of the highest murder rates in the world.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
 
This example has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

And you received your law degree where?

The First Amendment incorporates what the Supreme Court articulated as "the freedom of association," specifically the "expressive association" concept which protects certain activity within the sphere of employment, including the articulation of political and religious opinions, so-called "protected speech."

That simply says the government can't take away your right to free speech.

That's a vastly overbroad and essentially incorrect articulation of the First Amendment.

Employers are not restricted from firing people for saying or doing the wrong things.

Flat out wrong. You can prohibit employees from discussing politics or religion in front of customers. You could not, however, prohibit employees from expressing a certain type of political or religious position, which is what happened in the subject example. This is why, for example, employees can not be prohibited from discussing pro-union opinions in the workplace.

For example, if an employee chose to make a public statement that was at odds with the positions of a particular company, they can certainly be fired for that.

Yes and no. It's just not that cut and dry, particularly when an employer is involved. Had this been someone expelled from a private club for articulating a particular opinion, that would be different.

You might disagree with the action or find it too harsh or unkind, but there would certainly be nothing illegal about it.

Again, flat out wrong. Had this happened in the United States, given the circumstances described in the subject example, the terminated employee almost certainly would've had a strong case for legal action.

I stand by my original statement: I'm glad we have the First Amendment. This clearly is protected speech. Yes, it's an unpopular position, but it should be protected, just like saying "I believe in gay marriage" to a coworker should be protected.
 
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The story repeats itself.

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and the wheels on the bus go round and round.

What a brilliantly intelligent post. Logical, well argued, with virtually no repetition.;)

RB: get yourself an education. You never know, one day you might be able to join in, and make a contribution to, an adult discussion.
 
Discussion union activity is in my company's articles of prohibited conduct.

I don't mean to come down on you like a ton of bricks, but do you actually believe because your company prohibits you from doing something that makes your employer's behavior automatically legal? If you're in the United States and your employer prohibits you from discussing formation of a union at your job or any mention of union support, that is flatly illegal and a blatant violation of the the National Labor Relations Act, specifically the section governing what is known as "protected concerted activity." You need to file a complaint immediately with the National Labor Relations Board: http://www.nlrb.gov/
 
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