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CIA Concludes that Russia Influenced Election to Help Elect Trump

rareboy said:
There was no actual 'content'.

Just stuff that people like you got faux outraged about.
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Oh, there was no content of the emails? Well, I suppose in that case that this is a moot point because if there was no content, there was nothing in them that could have helped Russia influence the election ... the purpose of you trying to create this thread.
 
MystikWizard said:
Oh, there was no content of the emails? Well, I suppose in that case that this is a moot point because if there was no content, there was nothing in them that could have helped Russia influence the election ... the purpose of you trying to create this thread.
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The issue was the hacking of emails from both Republican and Democratic entities and the selective releasing of information to damage the election chances of just one of them.

If they hacked both, which the CIA says has happened, then Putin has the 'dirt' on your president.

How's that for a corruption of democracy?
 
Kabluey said:
The issue was the hacking of emails from both Republican and Democratic entities and the selective releasing of information to damage the election chances of just one of them.

If they hacked both, which the CIA says has happened, then Putin has the 'dirt' on your president.

How's that for a corruption of democracy?
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I don't understand. Rareboy just got done telling us that there was nothing in those emails. He was the one who started the thread trying to imply that Russia influenced the election as a result of the hacking.

So if there was nothing in the DNC's emails, there was nothing of any value that could have influenced the American people.
 
Kabluey said:
The issue was the hacking of emails from both Republican and Democratic entities and the selective releasing of information to damage the election chances of just one of them.

If they hacked both, which the CIA says has happened, then Putin has the 'dirt' on your president.

How's that for a corruption of democracy?
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NBS news reported specifically that they got the opposition research files on Trump -- all the dirt the Clinton campaign could find on him.
 
@ Mystik

Nonsense.

You are being intentionally obtuse.

It was the use that the GOP and Trump made of these...by disseminating exaggerated and false claims and in some cases where incredibly bizarre stories were concocted about sex slaves and pizza restaurants.

It was the way it allowed Trump to scream "lock her up", repeatedly.

It was pure swiftboating.

And you know it.
 
What astounds me is that the CIA knew that both campaigns had been hacked in the last election as well, and told both party national committees about it, yet they didn't begin this time by bringing in teams to install serious security software.

It was partly because of the last hackings, BTW, that the CIA stalled in recognizing that this time the hackers were favoring one candidate -- last election it had all the marks of routine intelligence gathering, and that's the way it started this time.
 
The Democrats.

Lou Dobbs is right. Look how many US government computer systems were breeched. Social Security, GRID, Congress, DoD, OPM, and they still don't know who did these hacks, yet the CIA identified Russia in the DNC hack in, what, 10 minutes? Sure. Just amazing.
 
rareboy said:
@ Mystik

Nonsense.

You are being intentionally obtuse.

It was the use that the GOP and Trump made of these...by disseminating exaggerated and false claims and in some cases where incredibly bizarre stories were concocted about sex slaves and pizza restaurants.

It was the way it allowed Trump to scream "lock her up", repeatedly.

It was pure swiftboating.

And you know it.
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Oh, so now you are back to your original position in saying there was content in those emails that influenced the election to help Trump? Man, you change positions more frequently than Hillary ever did.

Ok, so the pizza restaurant ... are you telling me that the American people were universally in love with Hillary until all of a sudden, they saw these off-the-wall stories about a pizza restaurant and a child sex ring ... which magically turned everyone against her?
 
Of course not. It's a bunch of villagers in a small Macedonian town who manipulated the results of the U.S. election. It's true because MSM said so. :rotflmao:
 
mikey3000 said:
Of course not. It's a bunch of villagers in a small Macedonian town who manipulated the results of the U.S. election. It's true because MSM said so. :rotflmao:
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If they want to make money from complete fools, then all power to them.
 
I don't see how Russia can hack and influence the election.
If they can, its the US problem for not able to secure their internet security properly.
 
mikey3000 said:
The Democrats.

Lou Dobbs is right. Look how many US government computer systems were breeched. Social Security, GRID, Congress, DoD, OPM, and they still don't know who did these hacks, yet the CIA identified Russia in the DNC hack in, what, 10 minutes? Sure. Just amazing.
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Ignorance is ugly, especially when there's plenty of information out there. Just one point: the CIA identified the hackers of the DNC and RNC as Russians back in October.
 
Telstra said:
I don't see how Russia can hack and influence the election.
If they can, its the US problem for not able to secure their internet security properly.
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The tendency in government is to pay for what you think is good enough, not to get the best. It wouldn't surprise me at all if states computer security wasn't rigorous enough to withstand even moderately good hacking. Of course if their election computers are hooked to the internet they're foolish to begin with.
 
for me personally --and I don't give a shit that psycho egomaniac trump is going to be president---it could be the turing point we need in this country---but there is no doubt that he has strong ties to russia---that anyone's emails, including trumps would be as embarrassing as off the mic pussy grabbing remark---that they worked along with fake news and FBI bullshit---rigged the election----but trump will ALWAYS be invalid to me, not because of this but because he lost the popular vote---same with the last moron who did---invalid ---he also came in 47th in electoral college wins---no electoral college mandate either--so he has no mandate to run his business's from the oval office---make deals in Russia and the rest of the world and make his family richer which he is always interested in doing.
 
nycguydowntown said:
for me personally --and I don't give a shit that psycho egomaniac trump is going to be president---it could be the turing point we need in this country---but there is no doubt that he has strong ties to russia---that anyone's emails, including trumps would be as embarrassing as off the mic pussy grabbing remark---that they worked along with fake news and FBI bullshit---rigged the election----but trump will ALWAYS be invalid to me, not because of this but because he lost the popular vote---same with the last moron who did---invalid ---he also came in 47th in electoral college wins---no electoral college mandate either--so he has no mandate to run his business's from the oval office---make deals in Russia and the rest of the world and make his family richer which he is always interested in doing.
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Certainly the involvement of Russia further de-legitimizes the Trump presidency.

At this rate, by the time of the inauguration, the articles of impeachment will be drafted.
 
^I quote from your cited article:
While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA's analysis of Russian hacking operations, it has not endorsed their assessment because of a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, said the officials, who declined to be named.
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Apart from a clear cut admission by The Kremlin that its people were responsible, the CIA assessment remains plausible.

To believe otherwise, is to imagine that the CIA is misleading Congress. Further, the ODNI is not an intelligence gathering agency, rather is a liasion organisation that was set up to better facilitate the sharing of intelligence from the NSA/FBI/CIA and the various military intelligence services. In other words its function is bureaucratic.
 
One of many lessons that I learnt while undertaking my two years national service with the Hellenic Navy was the very clear realisation that a potential enemy's misinformation, and disinformation strategies are consistent with its policy of undermining the traditonal (democratic) strengths of its target by whatever means at its disposal.

It is well recognised that The Kremlin continues to develop its cyber army to influence, and disrupt the ability of its targets to project their traditional strengths. Disrupting an electoral process is a convenient method for ensuring that a favoured candidate is elected. Kremlin "bots" are a regular feature providing so called reader curious letters following contentious newspapers articles in influential newspapers around the globe, particularly so when Russian sensitive matters such as The Baltic, Syria, and Iran are being reviewed.

I have no doubt that Kremlin bots were very influential swinging votes;) in states were the margins were narrow.
 
kallipolis said:
^I quote from your cited article:


Apart from a clear cut admission by The Kremlin that its people were responsible, the CIA assessment remains plausible.

To believe otherwise, is to imagine that the CIA is misleading Congress. Further, the ODNI is not an intelligence gathering agency, rather is a liasion organisation that was set up to better facilitate the sharing of intelligence from the NSA/FBI/CIA and the various military intelligence services. In other words its function is bureaucratic.
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Plausible perhaps, but not conclusive. Also plausible is that the CIA, a part of the Obama Administration, stretched to reach its conclusion to embarrass and delegitimize the Trump election. Does anyone doubt that the Obama DOJ was playing politics with its two Comey announcements; first it helped Trump but second it backed away.
 
Benvolio said:
Plausible perhaps, but not conclusive. Also plausible is that the CIA, a part of the Obama Administration, stretched to reach its conclusion to embarrass and delegitimize the Trump election. Does anyone doubt that the Obama DOJ was playing politics with its two Comey announcements; first it helped Trump but second it backed away.
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Without a confirmation by Czar Putin that his bots were with malice aforethought dedicated to influencing the USA general election we can rely only upon the assessment of the CIA experts, employed in counter intelligence work.

The CIA is a national intelligence organisation that is dedicated to preserving the security of the people of the United States, and its interests around the globe....not a sub department of any particular political party.
 
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