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CIA Concludes that Russia Influenced Election to Help Elect Trump

kallipolis said:
Without a confirmation by Czar Putin that his bots were with malice aforethought dedicated to influencing the USA general election we can rely only upon the assessment of the CIA experts, employed in counter intelligence work.

The CIA is a national intelligence organisation that is dedicated to preserving the security of the people of the United States, and its interests around the globe....not a sub department of any particular political party.
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No, the CIA exercises power vested in the president and is answerable to him. Here from the Washington Post is John Boltons scepticism. He is a professional diplomat an under considerstion: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...clear-pattern-for-him/?utm_term=.a504acd055e1
 
Benvolio said:
No, the CIA exercises power vested in the president and is answerable to him. Here from the Washington Post is John Boltons scepticism. He is a professional diplomat an under considerstion: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/12/john-boltons-false-flag-conspiracy-theory-about-the-cia-and-russia-fits-a-clear-pattern-for-him/?utm_term=.a504acd055e1
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John Bolton's an extremely partisan neoconservative who's own history is anything but diplomatic.

If Ben's going to cite diplomats, he may as well cite ones that aren't far-right activists.
 
Benvolio said:
No, the CIA exercises power vested in the president and is answerable to him. Here from the Washington Post is John Boltons scepticism. He is a professional diplomat an under considerstion: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...clear-pattern-for-him/?utm_term=.a504acd055e1
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This is purely academic.The CIA could not perform its statutory functions were it to depend for its day, to day operations upon power vested in the POTUS.

I have some respect for John Bolton for he performs the role of the bad cop, in an international atmosphere in which the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians are ready to take advantage of perceived weakness in negotiations, otherwise known to others as skilful diplomatic compromising.
 
Benvolio said:
The top US Intelligence Agency does not accept the claim that Russia intended to help Trump. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-intelligence-idUSKBN14204E?il=0
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They're following standard procedure at the top level that says you need corroboration from a second source. The CIA issued an analysis based on assessed motives.

That's part of the ambiguity of intelligence operations: people are asked to make judgments on the information they have, while the system continues to search for confirmation of conclusions. In this case, the CIA gave what's a fairly obvious conclusion to most people; the Russians had dirt on both parties, but only leaked that on one (logically another option is that there just wasn't any dirt in the GOP files, but that's hard to believe of any political organization).
 
kallipolis said:
One of many lessons that I learnt while undertaking my two years national service with the Hellenic Navy was the very clear realisation that a potential enemy's misinformation, and disinformation strategies are consistent with its policy of undermining the traditonal (democratic) strengths of its target by whatever means at its disposal.

It is well recognised that The Kremlin continues to develop its cyber army to influence, and disrupt the ability of its targets to project their traditional strengths. Disrupting an electoral process is a convenient method for ensuring that a favoured candidate is elected. Kremlin "bots" are a regular feature providing so called reader curious letters following contentious newspapers articles in influential newspapers around the globe, particularly so when Russian sensitive matters such as The Baltic, Syria, and Iran are being reviewed.

I have no doubt that Kremlin bots were very influential swinging votes;) in states were the margins were narrow.
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That's another point here: influencing elections by hacking and leaking is a pattern with the Russians recently, which lends weight to the conclusion that was their objective.
 
kallipolis said:
This is purely academic.The CIA could not perform its statutory functions were it to depend for its day, to day operations upon power vested in the POTUS.

I have some respect for John Bolton for he performs the role of the bad cop, in an international atmosphere in which the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians are ready to take advantage of perceived weakness in negotiations, otherwise known to others as skilful diplomatic compromising.
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Article II, sec says the executive power is vested in the president. He delegates much that power to the vast number of federal employees and officers. He could, if he chose prrform the duties of Attorney General, Secretary of State, Or head of the CIA.
 
Benvolio said:
Article II, sec says the executive power is vested in the president. He delegates much that power to the vast number of federal employees and officers. He could, if he chose prrform the duties of Attorney General, Secretary of State, Or head of the CIA.
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There's only 24 hours in one day, and Superman remains a comic character....

All very academic...
 
kallipolis said:
There's only 24 hours in one day, and Superman remains a comic character....
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All very academic...
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The point is that the CIA acts under the direction and control of the president, to the extent that he chooses to exercise it. It is not immune from partisan influence
 
^For your information:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38325364

I quote:

Top US Republican Senator Graham accuses Russia of hacking his email.

In a separate development, NBC News reported that US intelligence officials now believe with "a high level of confidence" that Russian President Vladimir Putin became personally involved in a covert Russian campaign to interfere in November's presidential election.
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It would be wonderful karma if she lost the election because her criminal "extreme carelessness"
with her emails allowed the Russians to hack it and cost her the election. Crime does not pay. But, I do not believe anything the Russians may have released influenced the election.
 
The CIA refused to send a representative to a scheduled briefing of the house committee. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...rference-in-us-election-after-resistance.html
There is something really rotten and partisan in the CIA. They have given conflicting assessments, now saying a"high level of confidence" but still only news reports fron unnamed persond. And now refusing to brief Congress. Trump's distrust seems more and more justified.
 
trump has billions of bank loans backed by Russia so of course he's going to normalize relations with them---they are dancing in the street over there thinking they got their puppet in. Of course, down the road if it is determined that trump and his people coordinated with Russia and Putin the wikileaks---he will be impeached and this will make Watergate look like child play--thats IF the Democratic party has any balls and wins some seats---and what's the likelihood of that? Not much lol
 
Here is Secretary of State Kerry subtly disparaging the reports of Russian interference: http://ntknetwork.com/kerry-throws-doubt-on-anonymous-intelligence-reports-on-russian-hacks/
“I’m not going to comment on anonymous reports from intelligence officials that are not identified that have quotes around the concept of intelligence officials,” Kerry went on to say, putting “intelligence officials” in air quotes."
Apparently even the Secretary of State has not be briefed by the CIA. Or perhaps he has. The CIA refused to brief Congress. This is just a little scheme between the CIA, Wash Post and the President.

Aren't even you democrats beginning to smell something rotten?
 
Yeah...well his boss has made it very clear that something smells rotten and it was Putin.

U.S. President Barack Obama says the U.S. must and will take action against Russia in response to alleged cyber interference with the election.

"I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections ... we need to take action and we will," Obama told NPR, adding the U.S. will respond at a "time and place of our choosing."

The president said some of the response may be explicit and publicized and some of it may not. He said he's spoken directly to Russian President Vladimir Putin about the hacking of Democratic officials' email accounts, which U.S. officials have blamed on the Kremlin.
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Sonehow I think that Obama wouldn't have spoken to Putin if they didn't have the smoking gun.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/obama-trump-putin-hacking-allegations-1.3898600

Face it.

Trump is a Russian stooge.
 
rareboy said:
Yeah...well his boss has made it very clear that something smells rotten and it was Putin.
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Doesn't help that Russian officials had said they'd been in constant contact with the Trump campaign throughout the election.
 
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