Ciara: I Am Yours... Live from Motel 6

[Adonistar]

I skip ALL those songs. Beyonce hasn't really had a killer cd since the 1st solo one. and she doesnt write songs at all Matthew pays songwriters off to give Bey a credit so she is entitled to the royalties. He also pays DJs to not play other female artist songs which he think are threats to Bey's success I.E. LeToya Luckett. Dont get me wrong she has an amazing voice tho. but i dont think you can compare her dancing to Ciara's. its like comparing oranges and apples. Bey jus needs to go back to R&B and stop with this pop bullshit. all her songs that i like now have to grow on me i dont always like them when i first hear them

Have you never heard the term "rumor" LeToya is NO FUCKING threat in any type of way to Beyonce Queen Creole Knowles.... I mean seriously thats actually insulting that you even said that. And she wrote most if not all of Destinys Childs work and yes she does have say in her solo work.... People need to stop hating on a successful strong black woman... Its Tacky!

And this has been her most successful era and she became a WORLDWIDE ICON from Single Ladies why the hell would she go back to R&B.... Crazy In Love is "POP" I get so tired of people throwing black girls in one category...

Unlike:
Rihanna
Keri
Ciara
Alicia
Janet
Mariah
Shakira
Whitney
and all the other flops and soon to be flops this time around Beyonce survived the recession and proved why she is A DIVA and they are not or are "has been divas". She sold 5 million when they can all barely go gold. People need to wake up and smell whats brewing honey.... Her name is B E Y O N C E and she aint going nowhere.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

You queens need to calm down and stop hating on the QUEEN that is Beyonce Knowles....

The word "hating" has been banned from music discussions. It's WAY overused. No one is allowed to criticize anyone without "hating." Unless I shove my head so far up Beyonce's vagina that I can see her heart beating, it's hating right?

Grow up and learn that not everyone enjoys living permanently inside some pop diva's cervix.

If you actually took some time to listen to her entire album instead of the key tracks you could see that her work matures with each album and immense ammount.... Songs like

Ave Maria
Smash Into You
Disappear
Satellites
and everything else on I Am...

are not easy to sing at all. Yet she manages to sing them with a lot of emotion and sincerity. Not only that but she freaking wrote Dangerously In Love at 15 years old... So lets not even act like the woman isnt a talented songwriter. Just because she happens to be beautiful and VERY POPULAR all while having a lot of talent does not give people the right to throw her off as something that is just what it is based on beauty.

Matures an immense amount? You poor young thing, your generation's standards for music are so low I'm surprised you don't see Beyonce as a God. Her songs aren't easy to sing at all? This just gets funnier and funnier, and sadder and sadder.

Talented songwriter? Yeah, that's why she's constantly in court for copyright infringement, it's a real talent take take other people's words, remix them, and call it songwriting.

 

[bokan800]

That was funny! hahahaha

I think that only Ciara song that I like is "Work", and that's because Missy is in there and it has elements of the Ballroom Scene.

 

[Sequencellariot]

Yes, she's being acknowledged because of her name. Her actual material, what you hear when you press "Play" on her cd, is garbage, at best it's sometimes listenable. Her albums are the formulaic 2 or 3 big hit singles, the rest is filler. And the hit singles aren't that great.

What if Monica or Mya or Brandy recorded Single Ladies, shot the same music video, same concept, gave the same performances. Would the song have been as big? If Jill Scott recorded the same exact song, would it have hit the charts at all?

And I wouldn't say "WAAAY" talented. She's overrated as a dancer. She puts in a lot of time with the choreographer for someone who's dance steps are always basic. How many times can you throw your hair around, thrust your pelvis and call it dancing?

The problem I'm seeing with this idea is that the reason Beyonce's name is so big is because of all of her talent. I don't know about you, but when I listen to her albums (post D.I.L.) I hear great songs on every track; both singles and non singles. I don't hear filler. Now D.I.L. did have a lot of filler, but that's the only one.

Now with the example in your second paragraph I do understand what you're trying to say. The fact that she is Beyonce; "her name" contributed greatly to the success of Single Ladies, but that's where I say that simply being a woman named Beyonce, by itself, is nothing, nothing at all. It’s the fact that she has tons of impressive feats behind her name that has made her name so powerful. She didn't walk into the game being who she is today; she started at the bottom and worked her way up. She's been dishing out feats and increasing her notability since 1997, all the way back to the beginning of Destiny's Child, being the lead singer of the girl group. She's been in the game for a long time, and so has built up her name and star power from the start because of her talent. That’s why yeah, Single Ladies wouldn’t have been nearly as successful, or successful at all if Monica, Mya, or Brandy has recorded it. There name isn’t nearly as powerful as Beyonce’s and therefore cannot contribute, but again, Beyonce’s name is so big because of her long list of feats dating back to 1997.

Well I’d say she’s VERY talented. But we have differing opinions.

Until Nikka Costa wins a Grammy I won't take the awards seriously.

And yeah, Ciara is a WAY better dancer than Beyonce, more trained and athletic and her routines are more intricate.

That's why she was featured on this month's national Walmart Parking Lot Tour. She may not have great vocals but the hoe can cut a rug.

ROFL!! You're trippin me out!!

 

[AngelFromAbove]

The problem I'm seeing with this idea is that the reason Beyonce's name is so big is because of all of her talent. I don't know about you, but when I listen to her albums (post D.I.L.) I hear great songs on every track; both singles and non singles. I don't hear filler. Now D.I.L. did have a lot of filler, but that's the only one.

I don't know about you, but when I listen to Beyonce's tracks, I hear great production. Beyonce's name sells, not her talent. How long has she given wooden performances in films, yet they still grossed immense amounts of cash at the box office?

I'm not saying she does not have talent, but talent does not matter to the public and certainly not behind the scenes. Otherwise, Britney Spears, the singer, would not exist. Diana Ross would have never made it solely on her singing.

 

[lawrence358]

Lmao @ thread starter. That photo circulated around the net pretty fast

 

[Sequencellariot]

I don't know about you, but when I listen to Beyonce's tracks, I hear great production. Beyonce's name sells, not her talent. How long has she given wooden performances in films, yet they still grossed immense amounts of cash at the box office?

I'm not saying she does not have talent, but talent does not matter to the public and certainly not behind the scenes. Otherwise, Britney Spears, the singer, would not exist. Diana Ross would have never made it solely on her singing.

True, most of her songs do have great production, but she still delivers great vocal talent on all of them. People like Keri Hilson with Knock You Down; that songs has great production, but Keri exhibits no talent on the song. She can't sing. Beyonce is a great singer, and makes sure that, no matter how tight the production is, she shines on the track as well. She doesn't let the music outshine her. I don't mind nice production, in fact I love it; I just prefer that the person on the track can sing. I like hearing great singing.

I understand your point about how her name sells, but I've already explained why her name sells in my above post. That's the substance behind it. And I know that singing alone isn't enough; you must be an entertainer as well. Beyonce is both, while many others are only one of the two.

 

[wassup]

Have you never heard the term "rumor" LeToya is NO FUCKING threat in any type of way to Beyonce Queen Creole Knowles.... I mean seriously thats actually insulting that you even said that. And she wrote most if not all of Destinys Childs work and yes she does have say in her solo work.... People need to stop hating on a successful strong black woman... Its Tacky!

And this has been her most successful era and she became a WORLDWIDE ICON from Single Ladies why the hell would she go back to R&B.... Crazy In Love is "POP" I get so tired of people throwing black girls in one category...

Unlike:
Rihanna
Keri
Ciara
Alicia
Janet
Mariah
Shakira
Whitney
and all the other flops and soon to be flops this time around Beyonce survived the recession and proved why she is A DIVA and they are not or are "has been divas". She sold 5 million when they can all barely go gold. People need to wake up and smell whats brewing honey.... Her name is B E Y O N C E and she aint going nowhere.

ok yeah she writes...my ass! she is in court right now for infringement...like i said her dad pays ppl to let her get a writing credit! she aint wrote shit! and Mariah has the most num 1 singles in music PERIOD so she sudnt be on the list.

and crazy in love is def not pop! and my props go to ppl who are true who dont sell out to become icons. she sold out goin Pop.

i know Bey can sing but the material that she is singin is not up to par. people buy a lotta bullshit thats doesnt mean anything. you know you cant return the cd if you dont like it so sells arent an accurate way to say some1 is good.

like karen said her name sells period. i will give her this tho she is the best singer on the scene. also she's one of the most horrible actresses on the scene yet her movies gross a lot which proves its her name selling.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

Keri exhibits no talent on the song. She can't sing.

Um, Keri sings on the track and singing requires talent. I think I've gone over this with you in the other thread, but every does not have to sing like Beyonce or sound like Beyonce to sing. Let it go.

I understand your point about how her name sells, but I've already explained why her name sells in my above post. That's the substance behind it.

There are plenty of extrememly talented people who do not receive the same recognition. Out of all the businesses of which one can think, the Entertainment Business cares the least about someone's talent or skills.

Are you really trying to sell me the idea that Beyonce was the best person that could have been cast for Carmen: The Hip-Hopera? Out of thousands, upon thousands of women who auditioned for that role, Beyonce was the best?

It's been her talent carrying her? Are you that delusional or are you in denial much? Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift are big names too. Is that due to their talent?

 

[Sequencellariot]

Um, Keri sings on the track and singing requires talent. I think I've gone over this with you in the other thread, but every does not have to sing like Beyonce or sound like Beyonce to sing. Let it go.

UH NO. Keri does not sing on that song, she TALKS. Every freakin sound on the song that comes from a human mouth is not singing. But that was not the point of my comment. Thanks for conveniently ignoring my point by singling out one non-essential sentence and trying to make a point of it.

There are plenty of extrememly talented people who do not receive the same recognition. Out of all the businesses of which one can think, the Entertainment Business cares the least about someone's talent or skills.

Are you really trying to sell me the idea that Beyonce was the best person that could have been cast for Carmen: The Hip-Hopera? Out of thousands, upon thousands of women who auditioned for that role, Beyonce was the best?

It's been her talent carrying her? Are you that delusional or are you in denial much? Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift are big names too. Is that due to their talent?

Your comment here isn't going anywhere. I've explained why Beyonce's name is such a big seller, and you're still way back in the conversation talking about the fact that her name sells. We want to move forward with this not backward. She may not have been the best for Carmen, and may not be a great actress period, but her successful career as a talented musician is why she got it. There's substance behind her big name.

Each artist who wants to be popular must work the areas they can themselves, and make accommodations for the areas they lack. Miley, Taylor, and Beyonce all manage this in different ways because they've all got different stats. Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift are not Beyonce. Just because they may not be very talented doesn't mean Beyonce isn't also.

For example, Miley is not a singer nor a dancer like Beyonce, and hasn't been in the game nearly as long as Beyonce (and as such, hasn't had the lengthy period of exposure that Beyonce has had), so she is lacking in those three areas; but to accommodate for them, Miley has had her own very popular television show on Disney for years now that has (1) quickly gotten her major exposure, (2) quickly boosted her fanbase among easily susceptible kids, (3) foreshadowed and marinated fans of the show for her future career as a musician, (4) lead to her career as a musician, and (5) a huge Miley Cyrus brand.

I'm not dumb. I know how it works.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

UH NO. Keri does not sing on that song, she TALKS. Every freakin sound on the song that comes from a human mouth is not singing. But that was not the point of my comment. Thanks for conveniently ignoring my point by singling out one non-essential sentence and trying to make a point of it.

Keri Hilson is singing on the track as she is resonating. The problem is that you do not understand the difference between singing and talking. Every singer does not have to engage the listener with vocal histrionics, like Beyonce, in order for them to sing. It's not an opinion based matter; Keri Hilson is not doing anything elaborate, but she's singing.

Your comment here isn't going anywhere. I've explained why Beyonce's name is such a big seller, and you're still way back in the conversation talking about the fact that her name sells.

Because that's the truth. Her name sells products; the brand, Beyonce, is what sells.

We want to move forward with this not backward. She may not have been the best for Carmen, and may not be a great actress period, but her successful career as a talented musician is why she got it. There's substance behind her big name.

You just contradicted yourself. Shouldn't Beyonce receive acting roles because of her...acting talent? Being a singer and an actress are two separate talents. You've just admitted that her name as a singer landed her roles actress. Thank you proving my point. Oh, and by the way, Beyonce is not a musician. She plays no instruments, whatsoever.

Each artist who wants to be popular must work the areas they can themselves, and make accommodations for the areas they lack.

More lies, huh? Michael Jackson made a career for himself solely off his music. However, he was not trying to cross over into Hollywood to become a leading man. Of course, he is just one of many examples.

Miley, Taylor, and Beyonce all manage this in different ways because they've all got different stats. Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift are not Beyonce. Just because they may not be very talented doesn't mean Beyonce isn't also.

Again, quote me because I've never said that Beyonce is not talented, but she's not close to being an artistic genius. There's nothing that she's done that's not easy for someone else to duplicate, whether it's her level of singing, the types of songs she sings, her level of dancing, her originality or lack thereof.

For example, Miley is not a singer nor a dancer like Beyonce, and hasn't been in the game nearly as long as Beyonce (and as such, hasn't had the lengthy period of exposure that Beyonce has had), so she is lacking in those three areas; but to accommodate for them, Miley has had her own very popular television show on Disney for years now that has (1) quickly gotten her major exposure, (2) quickly boosted her fanbase among easily susceptible kids, (3) foreshadowed and marinated fans of the show for her future career as a musician, (4) lead to her career as a musician, and (5) a huge Miley Cyrus brand.

You're way off base. Miley Cyrus became huge because of her television show. Then, she began as a singer. You have it completely backwards. Again, Miley Cyrus is not a musician.

 

[Sequencellariot]

Keri Hilson is singing on the track as she is resonating. The problem is that you do not understand the difference between singing and talking. Every singer does not have to engage the listener with vocal histrionics, like Beyonce, in order for them to sing. It's not an opinion based matter; Keri Hilson is not doing anything elaborate, but she's singing.

I'm not doing this. This isn't the point of the conversation.

Because that's the truth. Her name sells products; the brand, Beyonce, is what sells.

Okay and we're past that.

You just contradicted yourself. Shouldn't Beyonce receive acting roles because of her...acting talent? Being a singer and an actress are two separate talents. You've just admitted that her name as a singer landed her roles actress. Thank you proving my point. Oh, and by the way, Beyonce is not a musician. She plays no instruments, whatsoever.

O.m.f.g. I didn't contradict anything. I already said her name sells. I said her talents and career as a musician is what pumped up her name, which is why her name sells, which is why she got the role of Carmen. I didn't prove any point of yours because that point was readily agreed upon by Karen_Walker, you, and I the moment Karen said it.

More lies, huh? Michael Jackson made a career for himself solely off his music. However, he was not trying to cross over into Hollywood to become a leading man. Of course, he is just one of many examples.

No lies, you're just oblivious. Micheal Jackson made it big not simply from his music but from also being an entertainer. But that comment of mine was referring to artists of the current day, not back then .

Again, quote me because I've never said that Beyonce is not talented, but she's not close to being an artistic genius. There's nothing that she's done that's not easy for someone else to duplicate, whether it's her level of singing, the types of songs she sings, her level of dancing, her originality or lack thereof.

And quote me also, because I never said that you said Beyonce is not talented. Individually speaking of her feats, yes, plenty of people could do either of them, but alltogether speaking of her feats, it'd be much more difficult to find one person who can do all that she does regarding singing, dancing, and entertaining as well as she does.

You're way off base. Miley Cyrus became huge because of her television show. Then, she began as a singer. You have it completely backwards. Again, Miley Cyrus is not a musician.

OMG THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. I said her television show made her popular and then lead to her career as a musician/singer.

And I'm not getting into the semantics of "singing" and "musician", but I believe Beyonce tries to co-produce her songs with the producer since she gets that credits and has spoken about it.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

I'm not doing this. This isn't the point of the conversation.

Maybe it's because you simply can't. Explain to me how she's talking? Your point was that she's not singing, she's talking. I've heard Keri Hilson talk. It sounds like this...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxFdH27jHBM[/ame]

Her singing sounds like this...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pNCHbHmEcU[/ame]

No lies, you're just oblivious. Micheal Jackson made it big not simply from his music but from also being an entertainer. But that comment of mine was referring to artists of the current day, not back then

You're absolutely right. Michael Jackson became such a great star because of his music and his being an entertainer. However, my point still stands. He did not drop a clothing line, endorse cologne, and act in movies between albums. All he had to do was make an album and perform live.

And quote me also, because I never said that you said Beyonce is not talented. Individually speaking of her feats, yes, plenty of people could do either of them, but alltogether speaking of her feats, it'd be much more difficult to find one person who can do all that she does regarding singing, dancing, and entertaining as well as she does.

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Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift are not Beyonce. Just because they may not be very talented doesn't mean Beyonce isn't also.

My point still stands that there are several people who can sing, dance, and entertain as well as Beyonce. It's not that difficult to find unless one is completely confined to mainstream media outlets as sources. However, people are not signed based off talent, especially not in today's market. People do not become successful based off talent or a certain level of talent.

 

[Adonistar]

At the end of this thread Beyonce will remain and always will be the most successful female artist of the 2000's..... And the most successful black artist of the 2000's.... And soon to be ARTIST OF THE DECADE OVERALL as soon as Rolling Stone and Billboard announces it... #youlatehatersaregonnahavetostaymad because she sint going anywhere.

 

[Adonistar]

And please dont bring out the names of girls who faded in 2004 or before... I do this all day long in the world of Beyonce I know facts like you couldnt start to believe... So before you even try make sure you can back your diva up... I would hate to embarrass you.

 

[Rex]

LOL this is pretty funny. You are always ragging on her but she really did fall off the map. Her last album was a huge flop.

 

[wassup]

At the end of this thread Beyonce will remain and always will be the most successful female artist of the 2000's..... And the most successful black artist of the 2000's.... And soon to be ARTIST OF THE DECADE OVERALL as soon as Rolling Stone and Billboard announces it... #youlatehatersaregonnahavetostaymad because she sint going anywhere.

she will NOT be named the most successful blk artist of the decade that will go to lil wayne can you say a milli? she aint came close to that in the 1st week. and yall need to get off this bitch ass sooo much. its borderline disturbin she dont kno you why all the yelling *referring to the caps* every1 can use criticism including Beyonce.

Lots of talented ppl will never go mainstream bcuz of how the industry is. there are ppl out there who can do what she does and even better but wont see the light of day bcuz their look isnt marketable.

and everytime some1 disagrees with your opinion doesnt make them a hater. and im not mad at all. ive said it before shes talented but her material lacks substance.

 

[Sequencellariot]

Maybe it's because you simply can't. Explain to me how she's talking? Your point was that she's not singing, she's talking. I've heard Keri Hilson talk. It sounds like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxFdH27jHBM

Her singing sounds like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pNCHbHmEcU

We've already been though what constitutes singing in the thread about Gaga; I'm not doing it again here with Keri. Sure she can "sing," but she's not at all good. The original point is that Beyonce carries her songs, she doesn't let the music carry the song.

You're absolutely right. Michael Jackson became such a great star because of his music and his being an entertainer. However, my point still stands. He did not drop a clothing line, endorse cologne, and act in movies between albums. All he had to do was make an album and perform live.

The point was not about Micheal. The point was that artists today tend to do whatever they have to do to be as famous as possible if they want to be as famous as possible, and what you've said here reinforces that.

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[Quote of mine]

And nowhere in that quote did I say you said Beyonce is not talented. And you knew that when you grabbed it.

My point still stands that there are several people who can sing, dance, and entertain as well as Beyonce. It's not that difficult to find unless one is completely confined to mainstream media outlets as sources. However, people are not signed based off talent, especially not in today's market. People do not become successful based off talent or a certain level of talent.

Regardless of whether there are several people who can measure up to Beyonce in those areas, that doesn't lessen her talent. People may not be signed or become successful due to talent (and I know this well; Rihanna is a prime example), but that in no way means there aren't talented people who are signed and successful. Beyonce is a person who is signed, successful, and mega talented. She actually has talent behind her name.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

The point was not about Micheal. The point was that artists today tend to do whatever they have to do to be as famous as possible if they want to be as famous as possible, and what you've said here reinforces that.

I knew and understood that your point was about artists today, after you clarified it the second time. Michael was just a good example, in my original post, which is why I referred to him again.

And nowhere in that quote did I say you said Beyonce is not talented. And you knew that when you grabbed it.

Miley, Taylor, and Beyonce all manage this in different ways because they've all got different stats. Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift are not Beyonce. Just because they may not be very talented doesn't mean Beyonce isn't also.

I'm sorry, I interpreted that part of the statement as implying that I said she had no talent. If that was my mistake and you were simply discussing their comparable levels of talent, then that was my mistake.

Regardless of whether there are several people who can measure up to Beyonce in those areas, that doesn't lessen her talent. People may not be signed or become successful due to talent (and I know this well; Rihanna is a prime example), but that in no way means there aren't talented people who are signed and successful. Beyonce is a person who is signed, successful, and mega talented. She actually has talent behind her name.

Fair enough.

 

[trimyfeet]

she will NOT be named the most successful blk artist of the decade that will go to lil wayne can you say a milli? she aint came close to that in the 1st week. and yall need to get off this bitch ass sooo much. its borderline disturbin she dont kno you why all the yelling *referring to the caps* every1 can use criticism including Beyonce.

Lots of talented ppl will never go mainstream bcuz of how the industry is. there are ppl out there who can do what she does and even better but wont see the light of day bcuz their look isnt marketable.

and everytime some1 disagrees with your opinion doesnt make them a hater. and im not mad at all. ive said it before shes talented but her material lacks substance.

i def like this statement. AGREED