Civil Unions in Hawaii

[BostonPirate]

Thy actually didnt want the govt telling people how to pray to God because that is what they had fled.

they codified their religion so others would not have supremacy. religious leaders sat in judgement.

the scarlet A is not a fable. they were really used.

the issue in salem was that a slave had taught herbal remedies to the girls, who began to have seizures and fits, which were decided to be signs of satanic conspiracy, as were her lessons.

and then they hung them all.

 

[JeffnLA]

According the the latest from HRC it looks like the Governor will veto this

 

[laikaNYC]

Wow, 16 Democrats in the State House voted nay. And this is only civil unions. Imagine how many other Democrats would vote nay if Gay Marriage was proposed.

 

[MercuryJones]

Pretty pathetic, but par for the course for a gay Republican.

This is yet another Democratic victory, not Republican. You just can't handle it so all you had to show was the minority of Democrats who voted no. You're jealousy is salient and amusing.

Did you also notice that the majority of the Republican delegation voted no? Six out of eight is 75%. I bet you're pretty ashamed of that aren't you?

I don't think you can assume everyone is what they say they are.

 

[laikaNYC]

You choose to see the glass 1/3 empty than 2/3 full.

Pretty pathetic, but par for the course for a gay Republican.

This is yet another Democratic victory, not Republican. You just can't handle it so all you had to show was the minority of Democrats who voted no. You're jealousy is salient and amusing.

Did you also notice that the majority of the Republican delegation voted no? Six out of eight is 75%. I bet you're pretty ashamed of that aren't you?

Did you notice that the governor is a Republican? For a Democrat, this wouldn't have even been a second thought, and would be the law already.

Jealousy? Of what exactly? And I wouldn't call 16 members a minority. 3 or 4 would be a minority. But no reason to get all smarmy, I was just pointing out the obvious. Hawaii is supposed to be so blue, it's just disappointing that all Democrats wouldn't be overwhemingly supportive of at least civil unions. And you don't know that a Democratic governor would have made it law already. That's quite a big assumption. He/she could have been part of that 1/3 who weren't for it

 

[laikaNYC]

I simply pointed out that 16 out of 43 Democrats in uber liberal Hawaii can't even support civil unions, quite pathetic on their part.

 

[laikaNYC]

You're really not even making a point because 63% is a pretty healthy majority.

A healthy majority for uber liberal Hawaii? I think not. It's a bittersweet victory.

 

[hotatlboi]

I simply pointed out that 16 out of 43 Democrats in uber liberal Hawaii can't even support civil unions, quite pathetic on their part.

And how do you defend the fact that the Republicans' views on social issues are so backward that virtually none of them support it?

Since I gather that you are religious, I'll phrase it another way which maybe you will understand better. What you are doing here is pointing out the speck in your neighbors eye while ignoring the plank in your own.

 

[laikaNYC]

Like I said, this argument only confirms to me that you acknowledge the outstanding liberal record on gay rights, as well as the internalized shame you have for your fellow conservatives whom you'd really rather not talk about on this issue.

That 63% Democratic vote for civil unions was not enough for you pretty much interprets itself.

You know it's really a pleasure that the party with whom I identify most is the party that supports LGBT rights. I'm glad I don't have to make the choice you do. It must be agony.

The fact that uber liberal Hawaii can't even support civil unions overwhemingly just shows that Democrats aren't all gay friendly as you'd like everyone to believe.

And agony would be being a part of the party that I don't agree with on anything except some LGBT issues

 

[laikaNYC]

Nice way of putting it.

Not only that by Laika never has anything substantial to say, add, or contribute to the issue in gay rights threads besides partisan bickering. So I don't even think he really cares.

The only people I consistently see doing the actual contributing is me, you, Scream4ever, Razorzedge, and some others, but they are all on the left side of the political spectrum. I can't say i'm surprised.

Oh please don't preach about partisan bickering, ie; you accusing Sarah Palin of padding her pockets with money raised for charity. And just because I don't walk around with a rainbow flag sticking out of my ass doesn't mean I don't care.

 

[hotatlboi]

still waiting for you to answer my question laika.

 

[construct]

The fact that uber liberal Hawaii can't even support civil unions overwhemingly just shows that Democrats aren't all gay friendly as you'd like everyone to believe.

And agony would be being a part of the party that I don't agree with on anything except some LGBT issues

One would think, given the dismal Republican voting record, that you'd give up trying to show how awful the Democrats are on LGBT issues. Next you'll be telling us how wonderful Republicans are because 20% of them voted for a pro-gay bill somewhere. I swear, you don't make a lick of sense sometimes!

Perhaps you'd be better off telling us how good Republicans are about things that you agree with them on rather than about things that you disagree with them on.

 

[hotatlboi]

because 20% of them

more like 2%.

 

[construct]

more like 2%.

Well, yeah, on the federal level. But maybe, just maybe, there might be a state where 20% of Republican legislators might be pro-gay on some gay issue. And if that's so, I'll expect to see laika trumpeting the Republican "victory" all over the place.

 

[construct]

There are in liberal states.

Such as, *gasp you're never gonna guess*, Hawaii.

HB 444 did in fact garner a whopping 25% of the Republican vote in the Hawaii House of Representatives.

Well, glory be!

 

[hotatlboi]

And if that's so, I'll expect to see laika trumpeting the Republican "victory" all over the place.

Actually I wouldn't expect that. Given his refusal to answer my previous question, I think he realizes just how pathetic the Republican position is on gay rights, so he avoids the discussion at all costs.

 

[hotatlboi]

I'm very excited for tomorrow.

I hope Lingle signs the bill both for the movement and to buck the GOP trend.

not going to happen.

 

[hotatlboi]

And this would be a perfect opportunity. The Gov is term limited this year, only has less than a year in office and does not need to worry about reelection. She's free to do the right thing if she wants.

Unfortunately as a Republican, I don't think she will have the guts to do so.

 

[opinterph]

Oh, and she also has the option of doing nothing, ...

She's made too big a show of her deliberation of the bill to do nothing. She also promises a substantive discussion to follow the announcement of her decision.

 

[Kulindahr]

Waiting across time zones can be a pain -- been there, done that.