Conservative Cal Thomas on gay marriage: The battle is over

[Puzuzzu]

mothafucka owned.

 

[maxpowr9]

I personally think Wanda Sykes hit the nail on the head with this...

 

[Wajdan]

Good that he has seen the light, finally.

 

[Fire]

Every now and then I make the mistake of reading this guy's column--what a despicable cunt he is.

Good that he has seen the light, finally.

I would hardly call this "seeing the light." It's an admission of defeat, not of wrongness. He's still thinks gay marriage is totally heinous, and while I agree with him on the ridiculous priorities of the "preachers [who] would rather demonize gays than oppose heterosexuals who violate their vows by divorcing," all the guy is really doing there is aiming his hyperjudgmental bullshit in the other direction, which is nothing so remarkable or praiseworthy because he gets off on self-righteous nonsense no matter who the target is.

 

[hermanding]

does BITTER have 2 T's?
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[star-warrior]

Most of those who are disturbed about same-sex marriage are not as exercised about preserving heterosexual marriage. That’s because it doesn’t raise money and won’t get them on TV. Some preachers would rather demonize gays than oppose heterosexuals who violate their vows by divorcing, often causing harm to their children. That’s because so many in their congregations have been divorced and preaching against divorce might cause some to leave and take their contributions with them.

“For the love of money is the root of all evil.” Timothy, 6:10.

 

[Kulindahr]

I personally think Wanda Sykes hit the nail on the head with this...

That is excellent.

Why does it take a comedian to say some very serious things?

“For the love of money is the root of all evil.” Timothy, 6:10.

Actually, that's "the root of all kinds of evil". The KJV folks slipped up.

 

[ColorSlaughter]

lol, the woman in that video pretty much admitted it.

If same-sex marriage becomes legal, it means that Heterosexuals aren't superior to homosexuals anymore. It means that their...uhh...equal.

That's what its all about, huh?

 

[Kulindahr]

The way some of the statements were worded in those videos suggests that a fair number of these people would be content if it just wasn't called marriage.

Maybe we should change the laws and just call it "getting stuck", and the ceremony would have, in place of "I do", and "I do", the solemn words,

"I'm stuck on you."

 

[metta]

The way some of the statements were worded in those videos suggests that a fair number of these people would be content if it just wasn't called marriage.

Maybe we should change the laws and just call it "getting stuck", and the ceremony would have, in place of "I do", and "I do", the solemn words,

"I'm stuck on you."

And then if you tell them that....they come up with another excuse. They try to be as politically correct as possible but the underlying thing is that they want to remain superior in their own minds. They are affraid of losing their feelings/beliefs of superiority.

I have 2 new URL's that I'm not sure what to do with. It is not like I have time to work on them but I got them because I thought that they were cute.

FightingSmallMinds.com

MarriageIsLoveNotFear.com


Matthew....got any ideas?

 

[Jersey Domino]

lol, the woman in that video pretty much admitted it.

If same-sex marriage becomes legal, it means that Heterosexuals aren't superior to homosexuals anymore. It means that their...uhh...equal.

That's what its all about, huh?

Oh okay so all of this bullshit, all of this time and dedication to stop something that won't hurt ANYONE AT ALL.....Just so they can point and laugh and say "ah ha ha ha you can't get married!"

What makes them think that being able to get married makes them better than us?

It's things like this that makes me hate people.

 

[Kulindahr]

And then if you tell them that....they come up with another excuse. They try to be as politically correct as possible but the underlying thing is that they want to remain superior in their own minds. They are affraid of losing their feelings/beliefs of superiority.

I have 2 new URL's that I'm not sure what to do with. It is not like I have time to work on them but I got them because I thought that they were cute.

FightingSmallMinds.com

MarriageIsLoveNotFear.com


Matthew....got any ideas?

That doesn't have much to do with my post.

I spoke of there being a fair portion who would be content if the government just stopped calling it marriage, and used a neutral term -- you responded by talking about an entirely different group.

BTW, wouldn't those sites be better as .org? or are you suggesting making money off them?

 

[Kulindahr]

Oh okay so all of this bullshit, all of this time and dedication to stop something that won't hurt ANYONE AT ALL.....Just so they can point and laugh and say "ah ha ha ha you can't get married!"

What makes them think that being able to get married makes them better than us?

It's things like this that makes me hate people.

No, that's not really what it's all about.

What it's all about is that many people really honestly feel that if gay marriage is allowed, it's as if every day someone were to throw a shovel of shit into their bedrooms, spray manure on their churches, piss on the Constitution, and frequently fart in their specific direction.
The feeling for them is about what we would get if, in order to attend Pride, we had to roll in feces, blood, and maggots, and not wash off for three days -- except that for them, the feeling would be every day.

However silly you may find that, those are their feelings, and they're just as valid as your feelings about the issue. That's why it would be best to find a neutral term, and let the religious have the word "marriage". After all, to us it's pretty much just a word, but to them it's something sacred.

 

[Fire]

Man Kuli, you really dove off the deep end with that one.

 

[geloge]

Sorry, I was reading the full article and I found this

And they have attacked American traditions at their strongest points, from the military, to pressuring Disney to allow “gay days” at their amusement parks

I think that it's pretty ridiculous. But sadly, we have to fight against this kind of people.

 

[Kulindahr]

Good grief, if they truly feel like that they must be completely and utterly insane, and in serious need of some sort of therapy.

No, it's just a matter of feeling/believing that something sacred is being defiled.

Oh pish posh poo.

Feelin's is feelin's but that doesn't mean that they're grounded in anything real, and the thing about feelings, is that ideally, they're subject to the will.

And as the rational deals with the feelings, often the feelings can change.

That's what facing fear is all about for example. The feeling of fear is real, but one doesn't let it govern one's life without negative consequences. One faces it and walks through it, or in spite of it.

To them, the sacred is quite real, and so is the defilement. For some it's a matter of fear; for many it's a matter of defending something held dear.

Man Kuli, you really dove off the deep end with that one.

Trying to explain where someone else is coming from is diving off the deep end?

The point is that to almost all gays, "marriage" is a word in the law. To most Americans, it describes something sacred. If we believe in tolerance, we ought to respect that.

 

[Fire]

Let me first say this, Kulindahr: Even though I've never followed your posts intently, in some vague way I'd always thought you were wise, but I see now you're just a deft rhetorician. Sadly, most of us (myself included) are neither as well-educated nor as articulate, so it's difficult to refute you tête-à-tête.

I hope you don't think that means you're right.

Trying to explain where someone else is coming from is diving off the deep end?

Your explanation was accurate, albeit a little heavy handed, but no, your description of defilement is not what I was referring to. Diving off the deep end is suggesting that we should try to appease those who think our relationships are blasphemous. Are we to bow and scrape until they're satisfied? Because I doubt they ever would be.

No, the risk of offending someone is not now nor has it ever been a valid reason to sacrifice--if even in some small, symbolic way--our rights as human beings.

More than a few white Southerners felt unbelievably defiled when segregation ended, but do you know what they did? They lived with it. They got over having all those little black kids in their public schools--or they didn't--but they lived with it. These people will too.

The point is that to almost all gays, "marriage" is a word in the law. To most Americans, it describes something sacred. If we believe in tolerance, we ought to respect that.

I know it's juvenile, but

I wonder what it means to gays who are also Americans?

Quite.

Also, let me say that it's not 'tolerance' to indulge someone's religious bigotry, and that is almost certainly what this is. I find it hard to believe anyone could have such a visceral reaction of disgust out of a place of compassion and reason. No, it seems far more likely that this stems from baser things, like unthinking prejudice, or a hyper-inflated sense of self-importance, or hate.

 

[Kulindahr]

Your explanation was accurate, albeit a little heavy handed, but no, your description of defilement is not what I was referring to. Diving off the deep end is suggesting that we should try to appease those who think our relationships are blasphemous. Are we to bow and scrape until they're satisfied? Because I doubt they ever would be.

What's the deal with confusing respect with appeasement?
And I'm not talking about "people who think our relationships are blasphemous" -- that hasn't entered into it at all.

No, the risk of offending someone is not now nor has it ever been a valid reason to sacrifice--if even in some small, symbolic way--our rights as human beings.

I'm not saying to sacrifice any rights -- actually, I'm saying to uphold rights: the rights of all, as opposed to the privileges of a special interest group.

More than a few white Southerners felt unbelievably defiled when segregation ended, but do you know what they did? They lived with it. They got over having all those little black kids in their public schools--or they didn't--but they lived with it. These people will too.

The situations aren't parallel. Asking "gay marriage" be written into the law is like, to those who hold marriage sacred, demanding that all the white kids be painted black when they go to school.

And if you think that "these people" will "live with it", you're naive: if Congress passed, and the president signed, a law putting gay marriage right there besides discriminatory religious marriage in the law, a lot of those people would decide that the way to deal with it is to get rid of any gays who say they're married. You'd get gay weddings bombed... and a lot more.

Also, let me say that it's not 'tolerance' to indulge someone's religious bigotry, and that is almost certainly what this is. I find it hard to believe anyone could have such a visceral reaction of disgust out of a place of compassion and reason. No, it seems far more likely that this stems from baser things, like unthinking prejudice, or a hyper-inflated sense of self-importance, or hate.

It would seem you've never had anything that was precious to you, or you'd understand that this isn't about indulging anyone's bigotry, it's about respecting people's right to not be assaulted in what they hold dear.

When all it would take to win at this would be to just take the word "marriage" out of the law, and replace it with (my preference here) "registered unions", which would be define as whatever people who want to be united say it is, and when that would actually bring liberty and equality before the law for everyone and not just for another group joining the structure of discrimination... what's the problem?

 

[Kulindahr]

What about my right to tell them that what they hold dear is vile and contemptuous.


Although, having said all that, why should anyone's mere beliefs be 'respected'?

You have the right to tell them anything you want. What you don't have is the right to use the law to trash on them.

We're always demanding that our beliefs be respected -- isn't that a good enough reason to respect those of others?

And when a little respect could swing enough people to win the battle, that's all the more reason to do so.