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On Topic Discussion Conspiracy theories that have been proved true.

People ARE kinda forced to consume huge amounts of crap when healthier choices are priced out of their reach.

I respectfully and strongly disagree. A poor person can buy milk cheaply, plain yogurt, fruit on markdown, beans, cabbage, lettuce, celery, cheap cuts of beef, pork roasts, cheese on sale, oats, frozen vegetables on sale frequently, butter, tortillas, and on and on and on. The diet may not be very upscale, but a reasonably healthy diet can be had on poor wages. Although I make an ample salary, I shop with some degree of frugality to reallocate my money elsewhere. I constantly find bargain in the meat section, produce, and elsewhere.

The truth remains, few people want a healthy diet. Most would merely buy more expensive "bad" food when given the income to afford it. Our genes correctly program us to crave salt, fats and sugars, and millions of years of evolution will not be quashed by a few decades of science and nutritional theory. It will indeed take many decades to curb what Nature has put in place. Given the opportunity, most humans will give in to the genetic programming.
 
^ And processed foods are so convenient. I've often heard the expression, 'Shop along the walls of the store.' In other words, stay away from the aisles.
 
When we have the information we have now about all kinds of different things we eat, no one is being forced to eat unhealthy. There are plenty of options out there that are inexpensive, plus the price of things isn't even the only problem when it comes to eating unhealthy, managing the portions you eat goes a long way too.
 
When we have the information we have now about all kinds of different things we eat, no one is being forced to eat unhealthy.

Oh, I agree 100%. It's just that so many food processors and fast-food joints make it too inconvenient to eat healthy.

When I was a kid, it was a treat to have fast food (KFC) for supper. Now it's a treat to have a home-cooked meal.
 
^ And processed foods are so convenient. I've often heard the expression, 'Shop along the walls of the store.' In other words, stay away from the aisles.

The problem as I see it is industrialization of food sourcing and global economy has provided Americans and others a more affordable array of foods at cheaper pricing than was available when I was a kid 50 years ago. That makes junk food more accessible in all its varieties, and those foods were fewer five decades ago. But, producers stop making what doesn't sell. That "bad" food is selling is driving its own market, just like bad programming on television. It is market driven. Whole wheat bread only takes a segment of the supermarket when it isn't a market angled to the upper middle class.
 
The challenge is to find affordable, healthy foods for, say a family of four, that don't contain hazardous processing and chemicals. Franken foods ae a whole new topic.
 
The problem as I see it is industrialization of food sourcing and global economy has provide Americans and others a more affordable array of foods at cheaper pricing than was available when I was a kid 50 years ago. That makes junk food more accessible in all its varieties, and those foods were fewer five decades ago. But, producers stop making what doesn't sell. That "bad" food is selling is driving its own market, just like bad programming on television. It is market driven. Whole wheat bread only take a segment of the supermarket when it isn't a market angled to the upper middle class.
That shit is basically subsidized, which keeps it cheap.
 
My local farmers' market held twice weekly some five minutes walk from my home offers its shoppers fresh produce at prices that our local supermarkets cannot compete with. This Saturday morning I will buy my fresh eggs, fresh fruit, and fresh vegetables from the street market knowing that my wallet also benefits.
 
My local farmers' market held twice weekly some five minutes walk from my home offers its shoppers fresh produce at prices that our local supermarkets cannot compete with. This Saturday morning I will buy my fresh eggs, fresh fruit, and fresh vegetables from the street market knowing that my wallet also benefits.
7 miles for me.
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My local farmers' market held twice weekly some five minutes walk from my home offers its shoppers fresh produce at prices that our local supermarkets cannot compete with. This Saturday morning I will buy my fresh eggs, fresh fruit, and fresh vegetables from the street market knowing that my wallet also benefits.

Ah...Europe.

The farmers' markets in Ontario are fewer and farther between now.

Which is a total shame.

Neil and Hard-up hit it though....shop the walls of the store to buy real food, buy the marked down items, cook in bulk for leftovers and to freeze meals for later and to the point of the OP, stop buying processed foods high in sugar, salt and unhealthy fats.
 
I mostly stay to the outside aisles, but there are some items that I have to go into the center for. Canned tuna is one.
 
The challenge is to find affordable, healthy foods for, say a family of four, that don't contain hazardous processing and chemicals. Franken foods are a whole new topic.

There's the rub though. If one follows the herd on the food theories of the day, one would become almost a ruminant. Because the fad is to avoid gluten, one would not eat bread or pasta. Because white starches are considered evil, one wouldn't eat potatoes or rice. Because one should avoid saturated fats, meats and dairy and eggs are all unwelcome. And there is a whole segment against soy. That pretty much leaves beans, fish, fruit, and silage. That isn't locally grown possible, now is it? And fish certainly isn't, not to mention the impact of overfishing on the oceans. For the temperate zone, local fruits are very limited. And one cannot eat enough silage in a day as a growing family nor should one really try.

It still remains true that even for a family of four one CAN find affordable and balanced foods, and they will include starches, meats and everything on the taboo list.

The solution is not to become a twig shopping at Whole Foods, but to adhere to better shopping regimes than the worst. Gradual gains across the board are needed, not monastic adherence to ascetic standards.

That shit is basically subsidized, which keeps it cheap.

The food is not shit. It's food. And every country has food subsidies of some kind, so what's your point? It costs the consumer what it costs the consumer, and the question was whether a poor person could find affordable foods that were not sugary or high fat. The consumer can with as much attention to what as to what cost.

My local farmers' market held twice weekly some five minutes walk from my home offers its shoppers fresh produce at prices that our local supermarkets cannot compete with. This Saturday morning I will buy my fresh eggs, fresh fruit, and fresh vegetables from the street market knowing that my wallet also benefits.

Sadly, the farmer's markets in all places I have lived (except Arkansas) do not compete and are not an option for the poor. Local produce is priced as if it were to look at instead of eat, and of course the variety and period of offering in a temperate climate is very limited indeed. Year round farmer's markets are that in name only, and are not even vaguely locally sourced and are higher than the neighborhood grocer.

I haven't focused on regional variance, but I cannot see how Canadians have a prayer of locally sourced healthy fare that is affordable. By definition their diets are grown elsewhere except for the very few.
 
I'm talking about the garbage food being subsidized.

And now there's a whole list of fruit that I can no longer eat. Grapes are out, and I love Thompson grapes. I should only have half a banana. A small apple. Rarely an orange. Corn is a starch, I can have very little. Same goes for potatoes and rice. No biggie about the rice, I don't like rice.

It's 100% whole wheat bread (I've eaten that for 30yrs). Whole wheat pasta, a small serving. Have to watch the carbs. Greek yogurt but I have to check the amount of sugar/carbs.

I have had to learn to eat 100% differently than I used to.
 
Now, to understand the banking scam you must understand fractional reserve banking, money supply, who creates the money, and the federal reserve. It's pretty complicated so maybe watch this short video.


No takers on the banking conspiracy?
 
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