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Converting Homosexuals? There's an App for that!

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Wow! I'm surprised that Apple hasn't pulled this yet. The app is under attack in the Customer reviews at iTunes store. But they had to have downloaded the app in order to have reviewed it. Next a Klan app?
 
I agree that it is poor taste (and I’m about as against “ex-gay/future-divorce” groups as you can get), but I think Apple should fuck off with their content censorship in general.

They sell hardware devices, not phone subscriptions. You want to sell me a phone? Sell me a phone. Don’t dictate what carrier I have to use. (This goes for all cell phone companies.) You want to sell me a mobile music player, sell me a mobile music player; don’t dictate where I can shop for my music. You want to sell me a device that uses apps, sell me a device that uses apps; if I want to use it for XXX porn, that’s my prerogative.

Their customs are mature enough to spend $100s-$1000+ on their products, but they don’t think they are mature enough to decide how to use them? Uh. Big brother, much?
 
loki81 said:
is it so much different than an app to convert people to atheism?

I kinda wish Apple would just step away from the content censorship game completely. is it legal? does it function? if so, let whoever wants to download it, download it.
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How? :confused:people don't convert to atheism. They just don't believe after a long process of studying/reading and soul searching about religions.

Apple shouldn't approve every app.
Especially the non-sense ones.
 
To those bashing Apple's practices, you should note it is a private corporation; just like you are an individual with rights and legal protections, so is Apple. In today's society (not that I agree with it) corporations are legal entities that can be analogized to a citizen.

You, the individual, can have your own opinions and ways of doing things. So can Apple. As an individual, you are not forced to acquire an Apple product; enough info is on the web to research a little bit before dropping $1000+ on a product to understand what you're getting into.

Apple is purposefully limiting its customers so that those customers remain a part of their annual revenue, instead of seeking other means. Yes, they are selling hardware, but it is quite clear they have their sights set on as much of the marketshare in digital media as they can - and how is this absurd? It's a for-profit corporation; if Apple did not have policies routing you through their services, they would be voluntarily foregoing millions of dollars of potential profit. Without that profit, you might be without that iPhone, iPad, iMac, etc...

Do they exercise a high level of scrutiny in their policies? Sure. But, as soon as you have your own company that produces products for consumers, then you can give those consumers all the 'freedom' you want them to have.

Either way, there is only so far Apple can go. You have the right to modify your hardware to side-step their software products (though if they knew about it, you'd be a candidate for a suit...but, again, they would really only sue you if you were bypassing their software and marketing your own software to other consumers, thus creating a claim for damages). Whether or not you have the ability to sidestep their products is the key question. Most people won't be able to design, develop and produce their own OS, so in essence they are 'forced' to use Apple's default systems.

Teach yourself how to develop software for their hardware and you will be free of their chains. Until then, you'll have to live with what you purchased; just like my little cousin can't make his Tickle Me Elmo doll any other color than what it was produced to be. Sure, he can learn how to dye the doll and change the color himself, but how many people will actually go through those hoops?

All in all, my point is that if you were on the board of directors for a for-profit company like Apple, you probably would not choose to voluntarily forego millions of dollars of potential profit; and as a consumer, you can choose to purchase another product that gives you what you want and if it doesn't exist, either make it yourself or wait around for it to be served up to you by a for-profit company. Good luck ;)
 
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One word:
Sony.

In more than one word:
You can buy a Sony music player and use it with the iTunes store, or virtually any other company. Including Sony. But they don’t limit you to what you can use it with, because they are foremost in the business of selling technology.

The Sony eReader: you can use it with their store, or any other (which allow non-specific readers), or your local eLibrary, or even for lending eBooks to friends (like a real book!).

The iPad is basically a $500+ menu for a single restaurant, and then you still have to buy the meal(s).

Sony does not have to gimp their products to keep their customer base. And they are one of the largest technology corporations in the world.

It isn’t that Apple can’t run a business like that: it’s that they don’t want to. Why should they? Lemmings keep lining up to be abused, and they will keep cracking the whip. So, they make extremely closed-source technology and dictate how you are allowed to use it, even after you buy it.

At that point do you even own the damn thing, or are you just renting it?

But let's not turn this into an anti-Apple thread. There are enough of those, both pro and con. This is about a rather disturbing App which should be of concern to us all, especially in light of the rash of LGBT youth suicides.

PS: I don't sit up late at night fretting over this crap. But it is a pet peeve of mine, and Apple just personifies it.
 
BearBoi said:
I agree that it is poor taste (and I’m about as against “ex-gay/future-divorce” groups as you can get), but I think Apple should fuck off with their content censorship in general.

They sell hardware devices, not phone subscriptions. You want to sell me a phone? Sell me a phone. Don’t dictate what carrier I have to use. (This goes for all cell phone companies.) You want to sell me a mobile music player, sell me a mobile music player; don’t dictate where I can shop for my music. You want to sell me a device that uses apps, sell me a device that uses apps; if I want to use it for XXX porn, that’s my prerogative.

Their customs are mature enough to spend $100s-$1000+ on their products, but they don’t think they are mature enough to decide how to use them? Uh. Big brother, much?
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Absolutely.

Effective companies go for loyalty from their customers; Apple's approach is to put shackles on their customers. In the long run, that's an ineffective strategy.



BTW, I guess I don't understand what an app is -- I thought they were like programs that allow your fancy phone to do different things. How can your phone serve to turn gays straight???
 
Right, this is about a controversial app.

The primary question here is: Should Apple have policies regarding the applications sold in the App Store?

I don't know of any unregulated corporate proceeding that is used by millions of people in addition to collecting revenue from millions of people. On one side of the coin, you have users demanding Apple not enforce censorship polices; on the other side of the coin, you have users that claim Apple is responsible for the content it offers to users.

Apple will not place itself in a position of liability. Allowing users free range on a system managed by Apple is too risky; it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Then again, having policies regarding content protects Apple's legal interests; it may make some users upset, but at least that is not grounds to a claim worth millions of dollars.

Apple has an obligation to do what is best for the company and for its shareholders. Opening up the App Store to every conceived idea is not a good decision based purely on a liability standpoint; indeed, I could make a case that it is wholly irresponsible.

In the end, Apple has a right to create policies to manage their products and digital media services. I don't think Apple celebrates the fact that it has to hire a team of people to approve/censure applications, but the variability of applications, and its open-source type development, puts the corporation in a position to make sure that everything that comes out of its store is Kosher.

How they go about enforcing their policies, and whether or not the consumer is involved in the process, is legitimately up to them. All a consumer can do is inform the company of his or her opinion.

Like you said, its your right to use your phone as an XXX mobile device after you purchase it and change it from factory defaults. But its Apple's right to make sure their products are sold according to their policies; children use the iPhone, and so the default product cannot even legally be an XXX mobile device from the get go.

With music, probably the most pirated content on the Internet, Apple has tried to disassociate itself from copyright infringement issues by selling products with a default interface that does not allow pirated content. Aside from the revenue potential, Apple was seeking to avoid viscous lawsuits from the music industry with its release of the iPod. The iTunes store (and the default hardware restrictions on music importation) was Apple's way of showing due diligence in avoiding claims that it promotes and facilitates the stealing of music.

In the end, Apple, or any company for that matter, rarely makes decisions just because. It may seem like Apple likes to be exclusive, but if you look into their products and decisions, you'll find a rational motive for what they are doing (usually financially or liability based).

If the populace was so upset about the way they do things, I think their products would not have been as successful as they are. Clearly, they are doing something right.
 
I love iPhone apps that exist on a pure fantasy/wish fulfilment/divorced from reality level. I have a cylon detector app that's more sensible than this gay hating one.
 
Yeah, I am a little torn on this one too.

I mean on the other side of the story, it isn't really inciting hate and conveying discriminatory hate speech.

This is an app that people VOLUNTARILY download. So there might in fact be gay people out there who actually feel happier about converting and can use this app.

It's legal, and it's made for a specific group of people. You might not like that group of people and might not like the app, but then just don't download it.

It's like Exodus having a website. You can choose to access the information or not.
 
Kulindahr said:
BTW, I guess I don't understand what an app is -- I thought they were like programs that allow your fancy phone to do different things. How can your phone serve to turn gays straight???
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It is probably just an interactive tool that might be able to answer their questions and give them links to information. It might have a checklist or something like that. It's something akin to an interactive guide, more than likely.
 
God I have such a horrible cold right now. I keep getting these sneezing attacks and my nose is running off my face. I feel so miserable. I'ma spend the day in bed, naked, with my my box of Puffs and jug of orange juice. Check on me now and then to make sure I'm still OOOOO! IT'S ON NOW!
 
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