Corbin Fisher (Merged Thread)

[jaxon29]

Re: Corbin Fisher

We all look at these amateur straight sites for the fantasy of a straight dude crossing the line, but personally I don't care if they're gay, bi or straight and just playing the part. However, I don't like them being interviewed and talking about their hetero conquests if in fact it's all a sham. We all get lied to enough in life. Of course the webmaster just says all he does is take what they say. I have to believe however, that most of that is scripted to a degree. Just call it a straight site, let them fuck and forget the false descriptions.

 

[Aloe]

Re: Corbin Fisher

It's not important to me at all that they be straight. It really isn't. I just don't like being lied to. It's like that old joke Richard Pryor used to tell about being caught in the act of cheating on his gf. He said, it wasn't me. Besides, who you gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes.

My point is that straight guys. Truely straight guys don't have regular gay sex for any reason. Gay guys. Yes. Bi guys. Yes. Straight guys. No

I also think this whole gay straight thing smacks of internalized homophobia. I mean if these gay for pay website guys were effeminate yet claimed to be straight nobody would believe them, but because there masculine(as most gay men are) people are gladly willing to suspend common sense and say that they are straight.

Phunkspunk your clearly an intellegent guy. Let me ask you. If you walked in on two guys having sex would you automatically assume that they are straight? I don't think you would. Well what if they suddenly stopped and claimed they were straight. Would you automatically without a doubt believe them? I don't think you would.

Guys lets remember one very important thing. People don't do porn for money. They do porn because they are exhibitionists and want to have sex for people to see. If you've ever read the forums over at ATKOL or chatted with a pornstar you realize they just don't make that much money. All of them have regular jobs and stuff.

 

[littlephoenix]

Re: Corbin Fisher

This is just silly. Shouldn't even be debated at all..

I'm not gay, but I am willing to fuck or get fucked by another man on camera for the WORLD TO SEE. The risk is all too great...

who you waiting for, CORBIN???? or anyone on this board lol

 

[UWSMike]

Re: Corbin Fisher

It's not important for me that they be straight.
Like I said, I'm fascinated (the latin root of which means 'phallic charm' -- I kid you not) by the 'amateur/fratboy' sites, and the whole 'gay for pay' phenomenon. Perhaps I was living vicariously through the Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher boys: they were having the sex life I didn't start having until I was out of college.

It IS important to you. Or at least it's important to you that we all believe that they're straight. You invest way too much time for it to be otherwise.

I understand where you're coming from though. I spent my college years lusting after straight buddies, wishing they'd be gay, actually bedding a few of them only to have the friendship end, and all that. So seeing these guys and hearing Corbin's "education" rap, I can see the appeal. But again buddy, they're not being forced to do gay porn. It's not like they were on their way to school and said "hey, the gay web site on the corner has a Help Wanted sign in the window. Maybe I'll apply."
So there's some degree of curiousity there, combined with a strong desire to get caught-- they WANT someone they know to see them having gay sex.

t's the very fact that they do so much (or perhaps take take direction so well is a better way to put it) that makes me more convinced that they are primarily straight: the particular acts don't have the same gravitas for them as they do for gay men.

Then all straight porn would be a drama. Look, it's awkward and uncomfortable, and I'm sure they're not attracted to half the guys they hook up with. I mean is every awkward straight porn star secretly gay? Or just awkward? And don't think that CF and SC don't script that in to make them seem more authentically amateur.

They're just having some dirty fun. But at the end of the day, most of them will end up with women. Ideally, sexuality is determined by whom one ends up falling in love with, and I don't anticipate ever seeing Logan and Dawson exchaning vows down the block from me at Cambridge City Hall.

Agreed. But I can easily see them trolling CraigsList or the equivalent for a quick M2M blow job in 10 years. Even having a "buddy" on the side.

The one thing nobody has mentioned in this thread is the degree to which contolled substances might be employed to overcome a model's inhibition. The Active Duty guys who were court martialled admitted to 'Dutch Courage' in the form of weed, coke, and speed. Corbin Fisher has all these supposedly 18 and 19 year old guys drinking in his jacuzzi. '19' year old Dawson and '18' year old Cory each take a shot of bourbon before fucking. One can only speculate as to what else in they had on board.

Needing a drink to have sex on camera in front of the half dozen fully clothed people watching makes one mortal, not straight
What I wonder about more is the mind control- the whole CF "family" thing where the guys all hang together and convince each other that what they're doing is okay.

Peace out bro.

 

[UWSMike]

Re: Corbin Fisher

However, I don't like them being interviewed and talking about their hetero conquests if in fact it's all a sham.

Jax: It's the magic of Hollywood and all that. Even if these guys are straight, you can be assured the rap about their sex lives are something the web master scripted for them. Ditto having girlfriends and/or wives. It's in their interest to make all these guys out to be hetero fucking machines. That's why CF's been having his new guys all start on the straight site now, to establish their bona fides.

 

[subfer1]

Re: Corbin Fisher

I thought it was odd that patrick had stopped appearing at CF and I hated the straight talk that Lucas and Brent had in their flip flop, if they assure that they are straight and it's already stated then why insist so much on it, it becomes less believable.

 

[corey26]

Re: Corbin Fisher

I know it's so played out that they have keep going on and on about all the pussy they got last week, it's like who are you trying to convince ? Also this is kinda of the subject, but does anybody notice how loud cade get's especially as he is getting fucked hmmmm?

 

[darkstormy]

Re: Corbin Fisher

This conversation is starting to go into a circle, with the "They're Gay" camp claiming that the "They're Straight" camp is in denial, and the "They're Straight" camp claiming that they really aren't "buying the hype" but that CF guys really are just straight . . .

I think one way to look at this issue is by thinking about it from the straight side of things. For most people, straight sex is normative, meaning that this is what you think about when you think about sex. Humans, and especially guys, like having sex, so most people are naturally going to have sex with the opposite sex because sex feels good and it's something they want to do.

Most of the guys on the CF site are definitely coming from this perspective. They're attracted to women because women are attractive, it feels good to have sex with them, and oftentimes, they're in such great shape that sleeping with women isn't all that hard to do. Women are flocking to them, trying to sleep with them, and they don't even have to put in a lot of effort to get women to sleep with them.

These guys are all really into their bodies, and how they look. They're more attractive to women than the average guy, so women are throwing themselves at them. Women are more or less disposable, and useful primarily as a great way to get off.

Also, as far as sex is concerned, another dichotomy in the Occidental mindframe is that of "acceptable" sex versus "deviant" sex. The guys on this site were almost all practicing deviant sex before they got to CF, and are certainly doing it once they appear on camera. Promiscuity, role playing, anal sex and other types of sodomy (oral, 69. etc.), even letting women get on top, is all somewhat deviant from the basic missonary man/woman position that we all internalize as the "right" way to have intercourse--and then only when you're in a monogamous relationship.

Corbin Fisher appeals to these guys for a number of reasons. First, they get paid to do something they like doing (having sex). Also, there's the exhibitionist impulse that a lot of people have been mentioning. People all over the world are looking at you, admiring you. Porn actors, like regular actors, get to show themselves to the world, and have the world watch them, and anyone who says that this is not part of the appeal is pulling your leg. These guys are already attracted to themselves, so the ultimate validation is to have someone else into you're body, even more than you are.


As to the main question about the orientation of the guys on the site, I'd say it's anybody's guess. Both sides of this discussion have valid points. These guys are definitely into their bodies more than the average guy, and so are really into seeing how other guys look. If penis envy is a normal, heterosexual male inclination, then these guys definitely have a hard case of "body" envy--and that sounds pretty gay to me.

Still, you can't deny that a lot of these guys haven't had sex with men before coming to the CF website (of course, some of them are lying, but I think it's safe to say that a lot of the guys on Corbin Fisher did not regularly have sex with men before working for him). They're acting outside of their normal behavior because there is money involved, as well as the fact that they can make quick money without having to really "work," and instead earn an income off of their bodies and spend the majority of their time doing what they like to do: please themselves.

What we know for sure is that while at least 5% of the men in this country are almost exclusively homosexual, there is another group of men, who are almost as large (if not larger) than the first, who are married, have girlfriends, or sleep with women for the most part, but occasionally have slept with other guys. And while many of these men may be in denial, some of them will admit to genually liking both. Like all of us, they like how it feels when they have sex.

 

[yuty]

Re: Corbin Fisher

Again, people are purposefully ignoring that ALL the models on Corbin Fisher (except TJ who's obviously a twink....) have had sex with WOMEN on Amateur College Sex. Dawson's had a string of straight sex videos in the past few months.

As I said before:

They encompass all three sexual orientations.

Saying a "straight" guy having sex with men indicates denial and latent homosexuality...but what about the rampant videos of the very same models having sex with women and plunging their tongues into a women's coochie?

That's a double standard no here will attest to.

The models are gay because they have sex with men.

But they AREN'T straight just because they have sex with women and lick their rugs with all the fervor of starving puppy. Because it's "normal".

Double standard.

They gay, bi and straight. End of story.

Straight men are "gay for pay" to have sex with men.

Gay men are "straight for pay" to have sex with women.

The psychological analysis is unnecessary. It's their JOB.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

Re: Corbin Fisher

Hear, hear, darkstormy! All I have been trying to say is that when most of these guys think about sex, they think primarily about women.

You also raise the valid point that they are all athletic, good looking, and into their bodies. I don't think it would be beyond the pale to extrapolate from this observation that their may be an element of narcissism in their ability to perform sexually with each other.

In fact, I wonder to what extent their is a narcissitic component in my own sexuality. I'm a fitness fanatic, and have a more than decent body myself. I certainly have an exhibitionist streak; and while I'm not one of those guys who parade around the locker room nude, I will, for example, shave with only a towel wrapped around me and definitely get a buzz when I know I'm being checked out. I'm at once pleased by the admiration, and ashamed at my own shallowness.

It has also been noted that many of the veteran 'straight studs' are now appearing exclusively on the ACS site. It could very possibly be that they've burned out on homosex: they've satisfied their curiosity and have moved on. For instance, Dawson's performances have certainly lost their early intensity: been there, done that.

Some of these guys may be practicing homosexuality in the Greek sense, which is an Alpha Male imposing his will on another (Cade and Mitch). Affection has nothing to do with it. Iago, Shakespeare's greatest closet case, dismisses love as ' . . . a fire in the loins, and permission of the will . . .'

Lastly, 5% might be a generous number for the incidence of exclusively homosexual males. 2-3% is the number I have heard quoted most often. On the other hand, 5% might be on the low side for the military cohort, for reasons stated in an earlier post.

 

[darkstormy]

Re: Corbin Fisher

Just 2-3%? Damn, that's not a lot of people. I read somewhere that in a given area (in the US), about 5% or more of men are queer, but I guess that encompasses everybody . . .

 

[pisces_ken02]

Re: Corbin Fisher

Gay men are "straight for pay" to have sex with women.

I have never heard of a gay guy having sex with a woman for pay.

 

[Aloe]

Re: Corbin Fisher

Actually darkstory I never said the guys were gay. I said that they weren't straight and I stick to that.

These websites are all just an act people. It's a put on. Heck check the dates in which Corbin films his scenes. You'll find that most of the scenes with the performers are all filmed on the same day or within a few days of the scene we first see. I can name two models right off the bat who's sex scenes were filmed before that introduction scene(Kurt and Mason) yet the intro scene was shown weeks before. Believe me there have been others. I'm telling you guys this straight thing is just an act.

Now as far as the 2-3% figure on homosexuality is concerned. I think that number is low but know one really knows how many gay people there are. Men who have sex with men is a better term to deal with what most of us are talking about and men who regularly have sex with men are not in fact straight. They just self identify as straight.

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/127/116736.htm

This very interesting article came out in WebMD a few weeks ago.

Sept. 18, 2006 -- Nearly one in 10 men who say they're straight have sex only with other men, a New York City survey finds.

And 70% of those straight-identified men having sex with men are married.

In fact, 10% of all married men in this survey report same-sex behavior during the past year.

This means safe-sex messages aimed at straight and gay men are likely missing this important subgroup, suggest Preeti Pathela, DrPH, New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, and colleagues.

"To reduce the burden of sexually transmitted diseases and HIV infection among men who have sex with men, it is of utmost importance for [health care] providers to take a sexual history that ascertains the sex of a partner," Pathela and colleagues report. "Asking about a patient's sexual identity will not adequately assess his risk."

Straight Men Who Have Sex With Men

In 2003, Pathela's team performed telephone interviews with nearly 4,200 New York City men. They conducted the interviews in English, Spanish, Chinese, and Russian; a translation service helped with interviews in Greek, Korean, Yiddish, Polish, and Haitian Creole.

In nearly every study of sexual behavior, the percentage of men who report sex with men is higher than the percentage of men who report being gay.

 

[djstud]

Re: Corbin Fisher

(starts rant) Gay, Str8, bi or TRI....who cares...if he's hot, he's hot!!! When it comes to CF, Cade is my alltime favorite, he's the reason I subscribed to CF and most of the guys on that site in the last year have been pretty hot and I think it is obvious who is definately "gay" on that site, especially when a couple identify as gay.. Spencer and Jesse ... if you like what you see on any of the "straight boy going gay" sites then, please, continue to support those sites and if you don't, please, find one that you do and support them..... or don't like and and not support them and stop trying to answer this question that only the "actors" themselves can answer... (stops rant)

 

[yuty]

Re: Corbin Fisher

I have never heard of a gay guy having sex with a woman for pay.

I'm referring to the Corbin Fisher website.

ALL the models (with the expection of a couple) have had sex with MEN and WOMEN.

Thus if they're all gay like some would believe than they are "straight for pay" because they have had sex with women in ACS.

For example, let's assume Dawson is gay. He's had sex with women in ACS several times. He would fall under "straight for pay" because he's being paid to have sex with women even though he's gay.

Again, they fall under all three orientations.

They're not ALL straight and they're not ALL gay.

The very same argument of:

"No fucking way a straight guy would willingly suck a dick or fuck a guy's ass!"

can easily be translated into:

"No fucking way a GAY guy would willingly eat out a girl's pussy and fuck a girl."

It's a double standard that people refuse to attest to. They cite they're all gay because they have sex with men...however they ALL have had sex with women in ACS and they STILL haven't come up with a explanation as it's topic being avoided.

They're gay, straight and bi. It's the only explanation for ALL the models for having sex with MEN and WOMEN.

 

[Raven03]

Re: Corbin Fisher

I have never heard of a gay guy having sex with a woman for pay.

There are some porn stars that are gay that have done it in Bi porn.

Yuty, I agree with u about the double standard.

 

[Ninja108]

Re: Corbin Fisher

I hate corbin's new site. I have no intrest in seeing that kind of porn and it's a shame that some of my favorites(vince,Dawson) now appear on that. It's why I canceled my membership. A shame too corbin used to be good.

 

[Clooneyesque]

Re: Corbin Fisher

Hear, hear, darkstormy! All I have been trying to say is that when most of these guys think about sex, they think primarily about women.

It must to be nice to be telepathic when it comes to gay for pay porn whores. Geez, it must give a lot of deep meaning to life.

If you look at these guys it's obvious they'd have no trouble at all getting beards -- er, girlfriends.

Open your eyes and you'll see that in spite of what progressive media shows us, outside of the gay ghettoes it's not okay and acceptable to be a homosexual -- you've got to figure that into the equation when trying to figure out where these guys are at. For every gay guy who has the courage to be out there's probably ten guys who would rather play it safe and be accepted by mainstream society in terms of their sexuality. Even when they're openly displaying themselves as having sex with another man, as long as they can say they're straight it somehow makes it okay.

I just hate the hypocrisy and cowardice of it, is all. These guys want to have it both ways -- have sex with another man and yet remain socially acceptable with some idiotic label regarding their sexuality. The fact that they do it for money simply makes them prostitutes. I'm getting tired of all the bleeding hearts with their "oh the poor boys, they so desperately need the money, leave them alone and don't you dare accuse them of being gay". Please. Poor little baby whores.

Does anyone living in the 21st century buy into these "straight" "gay" "bi" labels anymore? Obviously some do, there's a big stake into believing the lie that sexuality can be frozen into these easy categories. It's safe.

And there's a lot of psychological masochism on the part of gay viewers in regards to the whole gay for pay phenomenon and the pornographers feel no compunction at all in exploiting deeply ingrained (and probably unconscious) gay self-loathing.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

Re: Corbin Fisher

It must to be nice to be telepathic when it comes to gay for pay porn whores. Geez, it must give a lot of deep meaning to life.

Tut, tut! No need to be nasty . . .

If you look at these guys it's obvious they'd have no trouble at all getting beards -- er, girlfriends.

One of the things that I find really odd about this discussion it the extent to which everybody seems to discount the very real possibility of bisexuality. Most gay men think that bi-men are gay men in denial. It is entirely possible to like both 'oysters' and 'snails', as Olivier's Crassus remarked in 'Sparticus'. Just look at Logan. He ain't goin' through the motions when he muff dives!

Open your eyes and you'll see that in spite of what progressive media shows us, outside of the gay ghettoes it's not okay and acceptable to be a homosexual -- you've got to figure that into the equation when trying to figure out where these guys are at. For every gay guy who has the courage to be out there's probably ten guys who would rather play it safe and be accepted by mainstream society in terms of their sexuality. Even when they're openly displaying themselves as having sex with another man, as long as they can say they're straight it somehow makes it okay.

I just hate the hypocrisy and cowardice of it, is all. These guys want to have it both ways -- have sex with another man and yet remain socially acceptable with some idiotic label regarding their sexuality.

I have always suspected in that in this, the 4th decade after Stonewall, there still exists a significant 'homosexual underground' composed of 'masculine-identified homosexuals' who eschew coming out to avoid the taint of 'gayness', which you must agree often entails a great deal more than simply prefering to have sex with someone of the same gender.

Therefore, I don't think this is necessarily an act of cowardice or hypocritical for guys who don't identify with the 'gay scene' and all its baggage to want to keep their private lives private. As I said before, these are guys who can't tell Prada from D&G, nor would ever care to; who would cut their tongues out before they called anything 'fabulous!'. I suspect many of them end up in the military. In Corbin Fisher land, I suspect 'Cade' falls into this category (see my post in 'Trevor-Cade thread).

However, I think saying ten closet cases for every one out gay man is vastly overestimating their numbers.

The fact that they do it for money simply makes them prostitutes. I'm getting tired of all the bleeding hearts with their "oh the poor boys, they so desperately need the money, leave them alone and don't you dare accuse them of being gay". Please. Poor little baby whores.

You are strident on this issue! This kind attitude would make me want to keep my closet door shut!

I was called a 'whore' when I wrote copy for an ad agency

Does anyone living in the 21st century buy into these "straight" "gay" "bi" labels anymore? Obviously some do, there's a big stake into believing the lie that sexuality can be frozen into these easy categories. It's safe.

As I said before, I think sexuality is fluid and situational: people are sexual at baseline. I don't think it's a stretch to say that we are all intrinsically bisexual to some degree (see earlier post.) During the course of this thread, I have come to appreciate the usefulness of that term. However, I think in the end that most men end up being heterosexual for reasons that transcend the sexual act: the nurturing allure of the breasts, the desire to return to the womb, etc. Not really the topic of this thread, though.

And there's a lot of psychological masochism on the part of gay viewers in regards to the whole gay for pay phenomenon and the pornographers feel no compunction at all in exploiting deeply ingrained (and probably unconscious) gay self-loathing.

Well, I'll agree with you on this point. As I have said ad nauseum I started watching these videos thinking that the 'straight stud' business was all a big sham. Now I think a lot of these guys are actually pretty straight, and the site has lost much of its appeal for me. A very idea of a gay 'Lucas' or 'Dawson' is hot; straight ones going through the motions are not.

One need only watch reality TV to realise that poeple will do a lot of things they ordinarily wouldn't for money. I certainly don't necessarily think this makes them whores, but then I don't think whores are whores.

And once again let me suggest that we consider the role that controlled substances may play in overcoming inhibitions.

 

[UWSMike]

Re: Corbin Fisher

One of the things that I find really odd about this discussion it the extent to which everybody seems to discount the very real possibility of bisexuality. Most gay men think that bi-men are gay men in denial. It is entirely possible to like both 'oysters' and 'snails', as Olivier's Crassus remarked in 'Sparticus'. Just look at Logan. He ain't goin' through the motions when he muff dives!

As I said before, I think sexuality is fluid and situational: people are sexual at baseline. I don't think it's a stretch to say that we are all intrinsically bisexual to some degree (see earlier post.) During the course of this thread, I have come to appreciate the usefulness of that term. However, I think in the end that most men end up being heterosexual for reasons that transcend the sexual act: the nurturing allure of the breasts, the desire to return to the womb, etc. Not really the topic of this thread, though.

Well, I'll agree with you on this point. As I have said ad nauseum I started watching these videos thinking that the 'straight stud' business was all a big sham. Now I think a lot of these guys are actually pretty straight, and the site has lost much of its appeal for me. A very idea of a gay 'Lucas' or 'Dawson' is hot; straight ones going through the motions are not.

So help us (and maybe yourself) out here Phunk. With one breath, you're telling us that there is no such thing as gay or straight, that lots (if not all guys) are bisexual because they can get off from both men and women.

Which I think is a position all your detractors firmly agree with.

But then, somehow, you take that argument, and swing around 180 degrees and insist that Lucas and Dawson can't possibly be gay, ergo they are straight, which totally dismisses the very real possibility that they are bisexual. Now granted that in America in the year 2007, it's a lot easier to say you're straight if you can get it up for a woman, than to say you're bi or gay. For all the very real reasons you yourself mention (e.g. inability to scream "fabulous!" etc.) But it doesn't make you straight if indeed you are bisexual.

So tell us Phunk why you are so so so so sure that these guys are straight and not bisexual? I don't think any of us are claiming that they're all 100% gay and that they come to the Corbin Fisher set straight from their Queer Nation meeting and that as soon as the cameras are turned off they're heading off to meet their boyfriend at the Velvet Spike or somesuch.

But it's baffling to me (as well as many others, it seems) that you insists on proclaiming that these guys are 100% straight. Despite very clear and compelling evidence to the contrary.

Personally, I think many of them do the videos as a way of letting people know they're bi: they want to get caught, want to have people see it. It's a subconscious desire, but it's easier for them than actually having to tell people live and in person. But rest assured that no one who sees Dawson get fucked up the ass by a dozen other guys -- and seem to enjoy it as much as he did in say his video with Lucas-- is EVER going to think that he's 100% straight again. (Or even 51%)

I think controlled substances help them relax to have sex in front of many other clothed people. I don't think it's why they have sex in the first place.

I do think there are some truly gay for pay performers, but those are the guys who stand there and passively receive a blow job. What the regulars on CF do is way beyond that.

If indeed you're just trying to say that they're not 100% gay, but rather bisexual, then let us know and we can end this thread once and for all.

PS: Clooneyesque has a valid point: you DO seem to feel you have clear insight into the minds of a whole bunch of guys you've never met, never seen beyond some carefully edited videos and a few third-hand conversations online with people who may or may not be who they say they are. Where I come from that's called "projecting."