Could it get any worse for Romney: Polls show him down 10 points, GOP playing dead

[mbamike]

Republicans always put up their candidate who's turn it is, not necessarily the best candidate for the job. Four years ago it was the ridiculous combination of McCain - Palin and now it's a super rich buffoon with zero charisma and no policies. It's just his turn.

This is my thought exactly. I have never liked Romney as a candidate. It is just his turn. Maybe the Republicans should put up Ron Paul in 2016 just so he will go away after he loses.

 

[Stardreamer]

The reality is that the debates will be critical

and Romney has not shown on the stump that he can connect - he did a nice job on Gingrich in those 2 debates but Gingrich was window shopping for the job - no real organization - he wings it

Obama's team is ruthless and will have Obama more than ready for those debates

Romney's team (who is his team??) has not shown any chops and their candidate has not shown any eye of the tiger IMO

so it's lose lose

organization/preparation - Obama's favor
likeability/oratory - Obama's favor

Mitt should be way ahead at this point - far ahead in this economic shit show - but he's flat to down a little

he'll have to be a different guy at the debates then he's been and the economy will have to continue to be uber weak - for him to have a puncher's chance

again, the key point is that the incumbent, regardless of party affiliation, should be WAY behind now, reflecting the current misery index

But to think that one of the other primary Republicans would be doing better ............ not likely as they were fringey

I keep wondering where is this savvy businessman who took the Olympics and turned them around? Romney should be running on a message as a turn around artist who understands the economy and the Bain nonsense and turning it to a plus. He is doing none of those things. He may be a great executive but he clearly sucking as a campaigner.

 

[MystikWizard]

The reality is that the debates will be critical

and Romney has not shown on the stump that he can connect - he did a nice job on Gingrich in those 2 debates but Gingrich was window shopping for the job - no real organization - he wings it

Obama's team is ruthless and will have Obama more than ready for those debates

Romney's team (who is his team??) has not shown any chops and their candidate has not shown any eye of the tiger IMO

so it's lose lose

organization/preparation - Obama's favor
likeability/oratory - Obama's favor

Mitt should be way ahead at this point - far ahead in this economic shit show - but he's flat to down a little

he'll have to be a different guy at the debates then he's been and the economy will have to continue to be uber weak - for him to have a puncher's chance

again, the key point is that the incumbent, regardless of party affiliation, should be WAY behind now, reflecting the current misery index

But to think that one of the other primary Republicans would be doing better ............ not likely as they were fringey

And debates are not generally regarded as Mitt's strong point, either. He doesn't like doing them since it exposes him to his track record of frequent ever-changing positions. Not to mention his record of paying/not paying taxes for ten years is bound to be brought up frequently. And obviously he is not going to release his returns ... adding more to the speculation that he's hiding something. The American people will see this and it will resonate that you can't trust him.

The more the spotlight is on him, the worse he usually does. The debates will actually and more-than- likely be his final nail in the coffin.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Mitt should be way ahead at this point - far ahead in this economic shit show - but he's flat to down a little

again, the key point is that the incumbent, regardless of party affiliation, should be WAY behind now, reflecting the current misery index

Months ago, I TRIED to explain to the Republican friends that I do have, who were all convinced that Obama was such a terrible president that it would be a cake walk for even Mickey Mouse, that it is VERY VERY difficult to unseat an incumbent. Hating the guy in office is NOT enough (see 1948, see 2004) you must also LOVE the guy you want to see in the White House. To unseat an incumbent you really need a charismatic challenger like a Reagan or a Clinton. Ford doesn't count as he was designed as a placeholder president (no offense to him intended) who couldn't escape the taint of the Nixon Administration and those very extraordinary circumstances.

 

[rareboy]

There was a Republican contender who seemed a really good man, but he didn't have any money. I'd have felt comfortable voting for him. What was his name? Gary Johnson, or something? He only attended one debate.

If the Republican Party could have just torn themselves away from the insane clown posse that grabbed all the headlines during the primaries and focussed on running a solid, middle of the road, decent, non-fundamentalist, non-homophobic, person like Johnson....someone who wasn't obviously bought and paid for by oligarchs..................who knows how this year would play out.

The insistence of the RNC to pander simultaneously to the knuckle dragging, illiterate religious fundamentalists and to the corporate wealth aggregators that would destroy the backbone of the US, the thing that made it the most successful nation on earth...its educated and egalitarian middle class.................this is what has led to the breathtakingly bad choice of Romney over substance. God help us when he decides on the running mate. I've got an idea though that might just help...based on a little trick that Caligula dreamt up:

2012 Summer Olympics: Ann Romney's horse Rafalca makes an 'awesome' Olympic debut - Zap2it

This 15 year old has the advantage of having been vetted by Romney, she is apparently is 'Consistent and Elegant' and has thrilled Anne Romney to death.

What better choice?

 

[chance1]

Obama is a pretty solid president. That's the reality. And the republicans have presented nobody but the same old... people rate the republican party really low in the Congress. Many people view the Republicans as being part of the bigger problem.

all polling data has him below 50% approval so not sure where u get "solid" from

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

> roughly 60% of the public think we're on the wrong track

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Direction of Country

but he's so darn "likable" - 2/3 like him vs. Romney's 47%

Voters find Obama more likable than Romney, polls show - Los Angeles Times

so the reality (the real reality not your alternative in your head only reality) is that by all accounts he should be free to make millions in speaking fees come January 2013 based on his job performance and lack of ability to convince americans we're on the road to recovery

but .......... he's likable

so much for obama hating which is the narrative of The Walking Dead - racism, etc.

americans are not attaching him to his team's negative campaign - he's teflon BO

 

[White Eagle]

How on Earth did Romney ever become the nominee? You can't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He simply doesn't connect to anyone at all. Last thing the country wants to vote for is another wealthy, out of touch, corporate executive who doesn't pay taxes, was for Universal Healthcare before he was against it, is a clone of Bush Jr. on Foreign Policy, ships jobs overseas, was third from the bottom in job creation as Governor of MA, and changes positions with the way the wind blows.

And of all the candidates, they thought he was the best one??? Good grief.

It makes you wonder what Mass. was doing, don't it?

 

[White Eagle]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[CowboyBob]

There was a Republican contender who seemed a really good man, but he didn't have any money. I'd have felt comfortable voting for him. What was his name? Gary Johnson, or something? He only attended one debate.

Ron Paul will have a lot of write in votes. Romney doesn't have a chance to win. The republicans are aware of this so this is why they enacted their voter suppression laws enacted in the swing states.

 

[JB3]

Poll is flawed, so why even bother posting it?

 

[evanrick]

I am personally more interested in if voters/democrats will fall for the playing dead trick the GOP is trying to use to get out of taking responsibility for their incompetence.

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Poll is flawed, so why even bother posting it?

what if it is flawed? you have to accept the counter argument before you draw conclusions, that's its not flawed and that Romney is a loser.

where do republicans draw the line between facts they like and facts they dont? seems to be all over the place.

 

[Benvolio]

Actually, Romney is holding his own, considering that the entire liberal media (except Fox) are actively campaigning for Hussein. Remember the covers with a halo over Hussein, another calling Romney a wimp? Remember the NYTimes and WaPo disrespecting the Polish war memorial to taunt Romeny "What about the gaffes?" Even the polls have to sell their souls to keep Hussein ahead.
Meanwhile the economy spirals down as Hussein plays golf and obsesses over raising taxes on businessmen to lower his deficit 16% until he spends more.

BUT at some point Hussein may have to wonder if convincing his base that he cannot lose is the right strategy.

 

[chrisrobin]

If the Republican Party could have just torn themselves away from the insane clown posse that grabbed all the headlines during the primaries and focussed on running a solid, middle of the road, decent, non-fundamentalist, non-homophobic, person like Johnson....someone who wasn't obviously bought and paid for by oligarchs..................who knows how this year would play out.

The insistence of the RNC to pander simultaneously to the knuckle dragging, illiterate religious fundamentalists and to the corporate wealth aggregators that would destroy the backbone of the US, the thing that made it the most successful nation on earth...its educated and egalitarian middle class.................this is what has led to the breathtakingly bad choice of Romney over substance. God help us when he decides on the running mate. I've got an idea though that might just help...based on a little trick that Caligula dreamt up:

2012 Summer Olympics: Ann Romney's horse Rafalca makes an 'awesome' Olympic debut - Zap2it

This 15 year old has the advantage of having been vetted by Romney, she is apparently is 'Consistent and Elegant' and has thrilled Anne Romney to death.

What better choice?

OBVIOUS COMMENT: What we have here is the wrong end of the horse.

 

[Benvolio]

Anyone the Republicans nominate for president or vice president will instantly become the most evil man since Stalin and the most stupid man since Elmer Fudd. If you were fair you would see that Romney is indeed a "solid, middle of the road, decent,non-fundamentalist, non- homophobic" person. He has only been demonized by the liberal media.

 

[rareboy]

^

someone who wasn't obviously bought and paid for by oligarchs..................

Awwwwww. And we were doing so well.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Threads like these never seem to go well. A poll result is released and one side says it means something and the other says it's bunk. Then an different poll is released and the sides switch. We then spend the rest of the thread trying to convince each other that OUR side is going to win. I don't get it. Who cares if benvolio, jack springer, and jay queer are convinced that Romney is going to win and Giancarlo, cowboy bob and myself are convinced it's going to be Obama? It's not like the election is going to be won or lost based on what happens here, of all places.

 

[chance1]

So go play outside then

And i'd work on getting traded from that team of yours

 

[Stardreamer]

is it worth mentioning that the Romney campaign hasn't really started spending money yet?

I think they're making a calculated risk waiting until after the conventions and perhaps hoping that Obama's negative ad onslaught might turn off swing voters before they begin their own cash dump.

whether or not it will pay off, I have no clue.

Actually its not much of a choice, a lot of the campaign funds that have been raised cannot be used by law until he is officially named the candidate at the convention. He has been forced to spend most of his other funds on the rather protracted nomination process so he is currently handicapped on funds.

 

[Benvolio]

Threads like these never seem to go well. A poll result is released and one side says it means something and the other says it's bunk. Then an different poll is released and the sides switch. We then spend the rest of the thread trying to convince each other that OUR side is going to win. I don't get it. Who cares if benvolio, jack springer, and jay queer are convinced that Romney is going to win and Giancarlo, cowboy bob and myself are convinced it's going to be Obama? It's not like the election is going to be won or lost based on what happens here, of all places.

That is true BUT polls may influence elections in at least two ways. There is the herd mentality effect. Some people like to back the candidate who is winning. Then there is the inertia effect. Many people will not bother to vote if it appears that their candidate will win any way.
Notice that all the liberals on this forum seem to be convinced that Obama is a sure winner. The polls are much of the reason for that euphoria. Is it not reasonable to assume that many or most of Hussein's supporters are similarly confident? Young people and blacks have historically tended to turn out poorly at the polls unless energized. How can Hussein turn this confidence around?

 

[chance1]

Threads like these never seem to go well. A poll result is released and one side says it means something and the other says it's bunk. Then an different poll is released and the sides switch. We then spend the rest of the thread trying to convince each other that OUR side is going to win. I don't get it. Who cares if benvolio, jack springer, and jay queer are convinced that Romney is going to win and Giancarlo, cowboy bob and myself are convinced it's going to be Obama? It's not like the election is going to be won or lost based on what happens here, of all places.

not sure you're on the money here

Team A of Ben, Jack and JQ think/hope Mittens wins but I don't think I've read anywhere that it's not a close race or that Mittens will win big - Romney supporters simply say it's close - close enough for a shift - it's not like the economy is doing well so people may say "time for (another) change"

Team B and u forgot the author who appears unstably anti Mittens - on the precipice of requiring restraints

well many on this team say flat out - Mittens doesn't have a chance - he sucks - he's a loser - it's gonna be a landslide - the idea that he could win is flat out stupid - any poll that suggests tightness is wrong - and btw the president is doing a wonderful job - and mittens is the anti-christ

so it's a little diff

now you're on that B team (you put yourself there) - but the trading deadline has not passed ....... wink wink