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Coulter calls Obama 'RETARD'

Of course, Bob Woodward sure got Richard Nixon right. Chris Matthews was actually rude to a kid on the air...Ann was just being an idiot.I think Chris has evolved into a reflexive left wing jerk over his last few years at MSNBC-DNC and Ann's always been one. I condemn what both said and I don't like the grenade throwers in politics today, their rise due to the more partisan 24/7 news/internet cycle. I'm guilty sometimes too allowing my emotions to get the best of me, but seeing the folks on the other side constantly trying to play got'cha...or show how terrible their opponent is (without ever losing their own ideological arrogance and snarkiness on the possibility of any failings of those they so admire) have to say that more people are interested in tit for tat than thinking,"hey, maybe we don't have ALL the answers"and actually engaging their opponents instead of condescending to them and dismissing everything they have to say. Goes for much of the right here too in some of the threads they start.....gotchas and misrepresentations flow both ways.

Have to defend chance.... he actually shows curiosity and considers other perspectives, hardly the regular way of doing things here. He's a prickly New Yawka....I'm from North Jersey and we have similar attitude at times.We're also both Blue Dog Democrats.Chance is a lot more on the mark than given credit for. He IS open to real discussion.... it's a lot of the left who won't think outside the box (and it occurs frequently on the right here, as well) Very glad chance is here and I appreciate his contributions.
 
T-Rexx said:
^ I don't get it.

Ann Coulter is not regularly featured on television? She is not a spokesperson for the right because she does not have her own show?

Of course she is an idiot. So is Rush Limbaugh. But do you guys only listen to Limbaugh and ignore Coulter because Limbaugh has a regular show and Coulter does not?

If Coulter does not speak for you people, who is that buying up all her books?
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No i guess u don't

I don't see support for rush or Ann here

Cuz there isn't

You people ?

You serious ?
 
It is a despicable term, but criticizing people for not calling her out is simply disingenuous transference...you have very little credibility unless you criticize all pundits for their similar behavior. You'll notice that I didn't post a thread when President Obama made his offensive remark about the Special Olympics.

I would just ignore her, just like I do anyone who says something like this. I mean, after all, she isn't a nobody, but who really cares what she thinks or says?

Oops...I guess you guys do. I think she may have said this just to get someone at JUB to start a thread that is already up to two pages.
 
What really pisses me off is the thought process of right wingers (not just here, but ESPECIALLY here):

1. Give no ground.
2. Find ANY semblance of equivalency.
3. Grab onto that and never let go.

I am sorry, but there are MANY levels to impoliteness, and some of them are more ok than others. And I am absolutely sure that my side has fallen as low and lower than this vile creature, but that doesn't change the fact that she is LOW. This is damn near the absolute bottom of verbal human interaction, and whether the left has used those terms (recently or in the past) should not matter to anyone, on any side.

It is wrong, pure and simple. It is disgusting, offensive, hurtful (and not to Obama, but to any mentally handicapped person who would read it) and it adds to an atmosphere of intolerance and disrespect in a sphere where it's already so hard to reach compromise and work together with such opposing views.

Do not seek false equivalencies. When something new appear, draw our attention to it. I promise I'd be just as repulsed (or ok, maybe slightly less, but still enough) by a left winger using that word, or another with the same hurtful intensity.

How can any decent human being with any empathy and kindness in their heart come on a public board and say "Good for Ann. Tell it like it is!"?!
 
I still think that the purpose of Coulter, Limbaugh etc. is to say what all the Republicans are actually thinking, but they're not running for anything, therefore they can "get away with" saying those things, while if the actual candidates said those same things, they would be in trouble and would lose the election. So all these loony things they say still get out to the public, yet can't be pinned to the candidates themselves. Notice how the candidates never mention Coulter or Limbaugh.
 
Rolyo85 said:
What really pisses me off is the thought process of right wingers (not just here, but ESPECIALLY here):

1. Give no ground.
2. Find ANY semblance of equivalency.
3. Grab onto that and never let go.

I am sorry, but there are MANY levels to impoliteness, and some of them are more ok than others. And I am absolutely sure that my side has fallen as low and lower than this vile creature, but that doesn't change the fact that she is LOW. This is damn near the absolute bottom of verbal human interaction, and whether the left has used those terms (recently or in the past) should not matter to anyone, on any side.
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Right. She could have said "geek", "dweeb", "wus", "nerd", or a handful of other terms and gotten her point across cognitively. THat she used the word she did shows that she's either a degenerate or that she isn't interested in cognitive, objective communication, but in subjective, emotional bombs.
 
T-Rexx said:
I used to work with the mentally handicapped, teaching them to swim.

It is staggeringly offensive to use such terms within that community, and Coulter well knows this. That was her point, of course, to attract attention to herself by offending others.

And therein lies the problem. She is willing to hurt other people to promote herself. This was not some slip of the tongue, revealing an underlying but usually hidden bigotry. It was a calculated attempt to hurt other human beings.

That is the mark of a miscreant.
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Ann Coulter is a shameless attention whore that will say anything for an extra 20 seconds of fame. I'm pretty sure it's no coincidence that she has a new tome full of hate, lies and slander to shill.
 
Benvolio said:
How false. Do you see a big difference between idiot and retard? Or perhaps you think calling Romney names is fine, but calling Obama is wrong?
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Calling Obama an idiot is fine. Calling him a retard is not. Frankly, I would prefer that people in public life making pronouncements intended to be consumed by the general public would conduct themselves with a little bit of decorum. Therefore, if I were a public figure, I would refrain from calling someone an idiot publicly in all circumstances except those where the label obviously and unquestionably applies (i.e. Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock). We all say things in private conversation we would not say if making a speech to a large audience.
 
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My exception would be both Biden and Obama. The reason their stands on infanticide when an abortion fails and failure to do anything about the economy but make it worse.

I saw the Obama video from the Tonight Show last night where he again said GM didn't file bankruptcy -- bold faced lie.
 
Benvolio said:
How false. Do you see a big difference between idiot and retard? Or perhaps you think calling Romney names is fine, but calling Obama is wrong?
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Idiot has acquired a common secondary definition to indicate a stupid person, which, as we see all too often, is willful and preventable as often as not. It has not been used to brand the mentally challenged for decades.

If Androgynous Coulter had called Romney a Retard, I would have been just as disgusted.

And you just don't fucking get it do you?

It isn't about the insult to the president. It is about the insult to all those who have been fighting against being branded 'Retards' because of mental developmental issues.

And Springer? This is really weak, even given your usual attempts to derail a thread.
 
palemale said:
Calling Obama an idiot is fine. Calling him a retard is not. Frankly, I would prefer that people in public life making pronouncements intended to be consumed by the general public would conduct themselves with a little bit of decorum. Therefore, if I were a public figure, I would refrain from calling someone an idiot publicly in all circumstances except those where the label obviously and unquestionably applies (i.e. Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock). We all say things in private conversation we would not say if making a speech to a large audience.
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The terms Idiot, Moron and Imbecile were actually scientific terms used to describe IQ's of developmentally disabled people in the 60's. These terms were superceded by Mildly, Moderately and Profoundly Retarded. Now these terms, thought to be more PC, are verboten and the original terms are generally acceptable as insults.
 
Sorry. Retard is not generally acceptable as an insult. But I guess if someone like Coulter uses it to insult Obama, partisan Republicans will be taking it up as the new mantra. I can hardly wait for FOX to defend and promote the use of the term.
 
Benvolio said:
How false. Do you see a big difference between idiot and retard? Or perhaps you think calling Romney names is fine, but calling Obama is wrong?
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I don't care if you call Obama an idiot. It's use of the word "retard" that is a problem, because it insulting to people who are mentally handicapped.

And yes, I'd be just as offended if someone called Romney "retarded", and I would call them out on it. No one gets a free pass to be an insensitive asshole just because they are liberal.
 
rareboy said:
Sorry. Retard is not generally acceptable as an insult. But I guess if someone like Coulter uses it to insult Obama, partisan Republicans will be taking it up as the new mantra. I can hardly wait for FOX to defend and promote the use of the term.
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Jackaroe was saying idiot, moron and imbecile are acceptable as insults, but that any variation of the word retarded is off limits.
 
The truth is that names calling is what passes among liberals for intelligent thought. It is hard to find a liberal post which does not call someone a name. But they think they should themselves be immiune. Boo hoo, you shouln't call him Hussein, it reminds people he grew up a Muslim.
 
There will be some people who do not like insults in politics, and who wring their hands whenever someone says anything other than "Good Sir Gentleman, You and I may differ on this matter, but I respect you for the strength of your convictions."

They are the sort of person who would notice immediately if Obama fails to refer to Romney as "Governor Romney" or if Romney fails to refer to Obama as "President Obama." They'd write letters to the editor about the falling standards of public discourse. They'd correct newscasters with a call to the station.

They live in sort of a bubble created by reading too many Jane Austin novels and watching too many movies from the Golden Era of Self Censorship in film.

Then there are people who just think it is part of the cut and thrust of the game of politics, and you should try to get a good one in whenever you can. These are the political equivalent of cage-fighting fans. I will leave it to others to debate if they come more from the left or the right; I'm not convinced other than to state that at least some examples exist across the political spectrum.

The rest of us will accept an insult if it is well-placed and shows some thought was put into it, but not otherwise.

Calling Obama a "retard" is not an attack on his policy or his skill. It is a way of saying "We don't need to consider the merits of Obama's proposed policies because those policies come from someone unworthy of being treated as a thinking independent adult."It is intended to dismiss him at the level of his identity using a crass word chosen to belittle someone with medical conditions affecting their cognition. I can't think of anything substantive in that charge against Obama. It is a classic "ad hominem" attack, and a vile childish insult.

Calling Romney a spineless flip-flopper is not actually an effort to suggest he has some kind of medical condition like spina bifida or quadriplegia which thus renders him unfit for office. (Roosevelt in his wheelchair would provide a counterexample anyway.)

It is hyperbole and understood as such. The real charge is that Romney is a flip-flopper, and that is something not about his identity as being well or infirm, but about the consistency of his political judgement. Given the public record, that charge may well stick.

Though some people will fret any time such a charge is raised, to call them equivalent insults is misleading; the only vantage point where that makes sense is from within a bubble of naive gentility that really should be burst anyway. Not because there is anything wrong with politeness in public discourse. But because it blinds people to the obvious distinctions between insults that leaves them unable to distinguish between an attack against the man, and an attack against his ideas or his judgement.
 
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What about Obama calling Romney a bullshitter? and a liar?

Obama lied about the GM bankruptcy .. there was a real bankruptcy of GM forced by Obama.

Obama lied about Benghazi and continues to lie about it.

Frankly, I'm turned off when politicians use this type of language -- especially the President of the United States. His office demands respect from himself.
 
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