On-Topic Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

[nafhoosier]

Too bad she wasn't able to get inside and beat the shit out of every single lawmaker in Congress right now.

For once I'm almost on this lady's side. This is what happens when leaders betray the American people and profit off of it.

 

[Jack Springer]

^^

She wasn't attacking Congress, she was after the President. She evidently thought the President was stalking her.

Law enforcement did what they are supposed to do --- protect the POTUS.

 

[rareboy]

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No. Frankly, you're the one who should be embarrassed about your performance here this week. But that is beside the point.

I would note that our news coverage did not immediately brand the woman crazy or refer to her colour. It does appear though that she may have had post-partum depression and having seen the results of this first hand...it is a terrible, debilitating mental dysfunction.

 

[Jack Springer]

No. Frankly, you're the one who should be embarrassed about your performance here this week. But that is beside the point.

I would note that our news coverage did not immediately brand the woman crazy or refer to her colour. It does appear though that she may have had post-partum depression and having seen the results of this first hand...it is a terrible, debilitating mental dysfunction.

Read the title of this thread.

 

[TX-Beau]

He's completely correct Jack I AM NOT A NEWS OUTLET!

You decided to make racist comments about it which you can't blame on me or anyone else. That's your sheet and burning cross.

 

[Jack Springer]

I repeated the word 'crazy' and added that the woman was black. How can that be racist?

Does a sane person run into the barriers at the White House and then take off speeding?

 

[Sausy]

She apparently was suffering from an extreme case of postpartum depression. SOMETHING was deeply troubling her. Just very sad it had to come to this... it's just such a difficult situation here in the US regarding mental illness. Sure things are better than the sanitariums, and the times they would actually experiment on those with mental illness or other severe problems. But too many times the best interests of those suffering and their loved ones are not what gets priority. I pray for her, her family... the little girl who'll never know her mother. She didn't have a weapon... surely she could have been stopped without being shot to death. Well, at least one would like to think so.

 

[TX-Beau]

I repeated the word 'crazy' and added that the woman was black. How can that be racist?

Does a sane person run into the barriers at the White House and then take off speeding?

Riiigggghhhhttt, you're just that innocent.

If you're too stupid to figure it out, I lack the patience to teach you. Why is it that racists IN MY EXPERIENCE think that the sad little fig leaves they employ fool anyone.

Or are you just in desperate need of attention.

 

[Alnitak]

Amazing what you call racist.

Jump on me all you want. People want to know who commits crimes.

I do wish we would know if the lady said anything to the guards outside the WH -- but I doubt we will ever know.

Most people are not on the edge of their seats hoping to highlight the next crime committed by African Americans.

 

[pat grimshaw]

When will we hear more news about Miriam Carey, the putative topic of this thread?

My TV news says she drove to Washington because she was under the delusion that Mr. O. had something special he wanted to give to her.

 

[pat grimshaw]

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The family said it was a "moment of instability". The officers are to blame for not "giving her the help she deserved".



and here's someone else having another "moment of instability" nearby

Lt. Pamela Smith of the U.S. Park Police said she was unaware whether he carried signs or had articulated a cause. One witness, Katy Scheflen, said that she saw a tripod set up near the man but that she did not hear him say anything intelligible before he set himself on fire. It was unclear whether the man was filming the incident.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/man-set-self-on-fire-national-mall-dies_n_4049653.html

 

[Jack Springer]

Most people are not on the edge of their seats hoping to highlight the next crime committed by African Americans.

[Text: Removed] I simply noted that the person was black -- part of the basic information that reasonable people are interested in -- who, what, when, where, and how.

If you want to look the other way when crimes happen that's your choice to live in a world that is not real.

 

[xbuzzerx]

[Text: Removed] I simply noted that the person was black -- part of the basic information that reasonable people are interested in -- who, what, when, where, and how.

If you want to look the other way when crimes happen that's your choice to live in a world that is not real.

We're talking about things like this Jack.



There was no nationwide discussion about how dangerous white people are or a big emphasis on the perpetrator's race after Timothy McVeigh or the Batman theater shooter. When white people commit crimes the subject is exclusively "mental illness." Race isn't brought up.

When you sum up a story like this with "crazy black woman", it carries the implication-- as does your post I quoted above-- that her race somehow played a role in her crime.

When you make a reference to the "real world" I think what many of us would say back would be that this "real world" is a range of created perceptions from news media and reporting emphasis or the fact that you're 10,000x more likely to hear about a kidnapped white kid than a kidnapped black one. And how the media covers stories based on the race involved. No one made any serious suggestion to profile blond haired blue eyed Christians after the Oklahoma City bombing. But an opposition to profiling Middle Eastern people after 9/11 garnered many responses similar to yours... "well, I live in the real world and I'm not going to play P.C. to pretend otherwise.."

I don't actually know what your intent was, since I can't read your brain. But when your comment on the story is "crazy black woman", you do create the implication that you consider race part of the factor of her crime.

 

[pat grimshaw]

. . . Race isn't part of this story...

Someone MENTIONED it -- and EVERYONE else JUMPED on it......

Yes, there's lots of off-topic-jumping in the CE&P Shark-pit.

…MOST people don't want to consider mental health issues......

That's what Miriam Carey's sisters were saying in the video (above).

They were saying the law enforcement officers should have spent some time considering Miriam's issues and "giving her the help she deserved" instead of assuming she was Aaron Alexis, Carlos Leon Bledsoe, Mir Qazi, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, that kid from Minnesota who went to Nairobi, Mohamed Atta, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, et cetera, et cetera et cetera . . .

 

[xbuzzerx]

They were saying the law enforcement officers should have spent some time considering Miriam's issues

Perhaps more simply they could have considered the fact that she was unarmed.

 

[CowboyBob]

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I don't actually know what your intent was, since I can't read your brain. But when your comment on the story is "crazy black woman", you do create the implication that you consider race part of the factor of her crime.

Precisely.

If she was white, would the OP state: " it was a crazy white woman" driving the car?

Perhaps we should add the race of everyone who commits a crime in our statements to be fair.

Michele Bachmann, who was instrumental in shutting down the government, was at the WWII memorial for photo ops with veterans. She's a crazy (white) woman.

Newt Gingrich, the adulterous abomination, shut down the government during Clinton's term in office. He's a crazy (silver) man.

John Boehner, the sobbing alcoholic Speaker of the House, is worthless. He's a crazy (orange) man.


PS... what happened to my last post in this thread?.....

 

[Kulindahr]

Perhaps more simply they could have considered the fact that she was unarmed.

Definitely, especially since there was no way to tell anything about her mental condition.

 

[pat grimshaw]

...PS... what happened to my last post in this thread?.....

What was in your last post?

Was it relevant to the topic of Miriam Carey?

 

[CowboyBob]

What was in your last post?

Was it relevant to the topic of Miriam Carey?

It was about as relevant as this post of yours.

 

[Alnitak]

We're talking about things like this Jack.

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There was no nationwide discussion about how dangerous white people are or a big emphasis on the perpetrator's race after Timothy McVeigh or the Batman theater shooter. When white people commit crimes the subject is exclusively "mental illness." Race isn't brought up.

When you sum up a story like this with "crazy black woman", it carries the implication-- as does your post I quoted above-- that her race somehow played a role in her crime.

When you make a reference to the "real world" I think what many of us would say back would be that this "real world" is a range of created perceptions from news media and reporting emphasis or the fact that you're 10,000x more likely to hear about a kidnapped white kid than a kidnapped black one. And how the media covers stories based on the race involved. No one made any serious suggestion to profile blond haired blue eyed Christians after the Oklahoma City bombing. But an opposition to profiling Middle Eastern people after 9/11 garnered many responses similar to yours... "well, I live in the real world and I'm not going to play P.C. to pretend otherwise.."

I don't actually know what your intent was, since I can't read your brain. But when your comment on the story is "crazy black woman", you do create the implication that you consider race part of the factor of her crime.

I remember that story in the NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/business/05caption.html?_r=0