On Topic Discussion Crime and Punishment, The Accelerating Breakdown of American Society: Vegas Robbery & Stabbing

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: Crime and Punishment, The Accelerating Breakdown of American Society: Vegas Robbery & Stabbing

I have often pondered as to why people do what they do. When does a young male decide to go down a path of violent crime? Do they decide? There seems to be no hard and fast reason but rather more of a prevalence in certain socioeconomic groups.

It's not just poor brown people, which is what you meant. There's no data that affirms this. The difference is poor brown people go to jail for their crimes, doesn't mean they're committing them more, just means being rich or well-connected is a get out of jail free card. Not hard to avoid an rape or assault or robbery charge when daddy's golf buddies with the prosecutor's office.

And all violence isn't created equal. Example; poor guy robs a liquor store vs a mega-corp breaks environmental code dumping toxic sludge into a river. The first crime impacts one person, the second is an act of indirect violence that could have immeasurable impact for generations to come. Guess who's going to jail? In a pay-as-you-go juducial system there's no such thing as "against the law" once you get past a certain tax bracket, making it nearly impossible to quantify the impact or prevelance of violence in said economically and socailly privileged demographics.

What do you call a rich guy who beats his wife? Senator.

But thanks for participating.

 

[Peloso]

Re: Crime and Punishment, The Accelerating Breakdown of American Society: Vegas Robbery & Stabbing

My thought is that very early in a persons life certain factors such as food, care, security and love play a bigger role than meeting the wrong crowd in middle or high school. Living a life of neglect and hunger from the time of birth until free lunches are provided in school in my opinion will set an infant on the wrong path long before watching the "wrong" show on TV. Laying in a crib hungry in a dirty diaper listening to people yell and cuss, seeing mommy get smacked down by a man and looking at peeling paint, cockroaches and smelling foul odors has to leave an indelible imprint in the mind of a 2 or 3 year old.

This kind of thing is more likely to cause psychological dysfunction than the kind of misbehavior we're talking about. It's also a terribly ugly generalization of how poor people live.

While mental illness can lead to criminal behavior, I'd say much of the blame has to go to peer pressure, underfunded communities, aggressive police presence, and the dichotomy between the America presented to them by media and in school, and the America they experience when they step out of their homes.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: Crime and Punishment, The Accelerating Breakdown of American Society: Vegas Robbery & Stabbing

This kind of thing is more likely to cause psychological dysfunction than the kind of misbehavior we're talking about. It's also a terribly ugly generalization of how poor people live.

While mental illness can lead to criminal behavior, I'd say much of the blame has to go to peer pressure, underfunded communities, aggressive police presence, and the dichotomy between the America presented to them by media and in school, and the America they experience when they step out of their homes.

Yall are educating and enlightening and I'm here for it!

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

social media is the reason that these incidents are now being highlighted - in the past we had a handful of major networks that could showcase .0000001% of what was happening each day - now it really doesn't matter what they showcase because who even watches or believes what the major networks present - they are all biased - skewed toward viewer demographics - social media gives us the story with video so that we can now decide for ourselves what to watch - we can watch anything and everything we want - and we can see it accurately...

with that the playing field becomes crystal clear - we can see what capitalism and more so what poverty is doing to this world - at a glance the have nots can see the dream that they are being deprived of - cheated of - and the long long history - you can ban it in textbooks in the classroom but you can't hide it - and the unrest is only going to grow exponentially - we are in for a lot more civil unrest than even the enlightened can imagine - the attack on Jan 6 is small fries - the city burnings of the past several years is small fries - there is no middle ground - and there never was - but now it can't be pushed under the rug - be scared - be very very scared...

a few Walgreen's isn't going to cut it - you can't fight the world's biggest melting pot of hatred with a box full of matches - there is not going to be any fireworks shows to watch - there will be atomic explosions - you can try to deprive education and align the laws but it has never been able to steal the will of those on the end of misjustice - retribution is coming - and it won't be some government check for previous grievances - oh hell no - it is going to be Armageddon

and THIS revolution will be televised

 

[peeonme]

Re: Crime and Punishment, The Accelerating Breakdown of American Society: Vegas Robbery & Stabbing

It's not just poor brown people, which is what you meant. .

I meant what I said, don't put words in to my mouth. Not all and not even most boys with a lack of color come from wealthy homes, poverty has the same impact on all people regardless of color. Blacks don't "own" poverty. A lack of proper food will impair a human brain during the early years, color aint got shit to do with it. Not every fucking thing is about race, now, I know turn me in to the mods. Call the posse. God forbid that a person expresses their opinion in HT, how dare I?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Should I hold my breathe for an explanation about what we're "breaking down" from?

 

[Alistair]

Re: Crime and Punishment, The Accelerating Breakdown of American Society: Vegas Robbery & Stabbing

I meant what I said, don't put words in to my mouth. Not all and not even most boys with a lack of color come from wealthy homes, poverty has the same impact on all people regardless of color. Blacks don't "own" poverty. A lack of proper food will impair a human brain during the early years, color aint got shit to do with it. Not every fucking thing is about race, now, I know turn me in to the mods. Call the posse. God forbid that a person expresses their opinion in HT, how dare I?

Likewise, how dare he.

 

[Vannie]

I didn't realize you can make thread titles that long.

 

[unloadonme]

Re: Crime and Punishment, The Accelerating Breakdown of American Society: Vegas Robbery & Stabbing

I meant what I said, don't put words in to my mouth. Not all and not even most boys with a lack of color come from wealthy homes, poverty has the same impact on all people regardless of color. Blacks don't "own" poverty. A lack of proper food will impair a human brain during the early years, color aint got shit to do with it. Not every fucking thing is about race, now, I know turn me in to the mods. Call the posse. God forbid that a person expresses their opinion in HT, how dare I?

I absolutely agree. I'd add that poverty isn't necessarily about crime and armed robbery. Most people who come from poor homes grow up to be law abiding members of society. It's only a small minority who think it's acceptable to steal from others rather than go out and earn a living.

 

[peeonme]

https://www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-1991-11-15-2826825-story.html

A Lehigh University psychology professor says that psychological, physiological and socioeconomic factors contribute most to crime in society.

Secondly, "If we want to deal with the problem, we have to deal with the children early," Bell said. It's too late if we wait until the high school level. We have to take the responsibility of dealing with crime off our school systems and put it back on our families, he said.

Spending money on youth homes and prisons has not worked well at all. The money would be better spent on building strong families.

 

[Peloso]

Spending money on youth homes and prisons has not worked well at all. The money would be better spent on building strong families.

How would this be accomplished? You can throw all the money you want at a dysfunctional or otherwise fucked up family and it won't change a thing.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

https://www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-1991-11-15-2826825-story.html



Spending money on youth homes and prisons has not worked well at all. The money would be better spent on building strong families.

Prisons worked spectacularly. They were created to generate profit with a side entree of criminalizing people of color. Both goals accomplished fantastically, I haven't heard of any prison shareholders having to clip coupons and file for PPP loans in the recession.

As for youth homes, same thing, $$$. And a side entree of "here's some vulnerable youth we can abuse and nobody's gonna care or listen. Both accomplished.

Both industries (not social programs, industries) have become a nest for really demented people and they pretty much have zero oversight.

 

[peeonme]

How would this be accomplished? You can throw all the money you want at a dysfunctional or otherwise fucked up family and it won't change a thing.

That's a good question. Perhaps those who profess to "care" can put something together?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

That's a good question. Perhaps those who profess to "care" can put something together?

Or instead of tossing our community safety and future around like a hot potato out of spite we work together? Just a thought. If we had as many leaders as we have critics and judges we'd be living like the Jetsons already.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

That's a good question. Perhaps those who profess to "care" can put something together?

Or instead of tossing our community safety and future around like a hot potato out of spite we work together? Just a thought. If we had as many leaders as we have critics and judges we'd be living like the Jetsons already. The number of people pointing fingers at this group or that group isn't really proportionate to the number of people out in the streets or in community meetings doing the work

My hometown of Chicago has had advocacy groups since the 80s, we have bbqs where police are invited to encourage dialogue, mothers put themselves in the line of fire patroling deadly blocks, there's a small handful of people doing all the heavy lifting and it's really not fair cuz everybody has something to say about the problem.

 

[peeonme]

^^
All of that is a good start, if some funding could be used for parenting classes and also for classes on how to run a household for such things as balancing check books etc. it might be a good thing. I don't think it's an easy fix situation.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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All of that is a good start, if some funding could be used for parenting classes and also for classes on how to run a household for such things as balancing check books etc. it might be a good thing. I don't think it's an easy fix situation.

How to run a household? Let's start with the basics like food water and shelter? A lot of parents don't have that. Maternity leave since all the studies have shown how beneficial it is for early development. Can't raise a household while working 17 jobs just to not die or be homeless.

And I know, I know, if you aren't gonna say it someone will, "don't have kids if you can't afford em." Moot point.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I didn't realize you can make thread titles that long.

Always a pleasure to enlighten.

 

[Alistair]

I did notice one criticism in the comments that the American major news networks were suppressing the story. That appears to be true, outside a couple of individual local stations. To that point, the coverage of crime is highly selective by the networks, and therefore slanted, which is also creating anger in several corners of society. A half-truth is indeed a lie.

To get back to the original post for a second. I’d like to point out that suppressing a story and not reporting it is two completely different things. If the networks reported every crime like this the nightly news would be a 24/7 channel.

 

[NotHardUp1]

It is indeed a hot topic, as I knew, even with the ever-so-predictable hijacking into black politics that Fab smears on every windshield.

Meaningful discussion happened in spite of it. So, a win.