Negasta
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I seems that RG has run away with his tail between his legs now that he has been called out on his bullshit and dishonesty.
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Critcism of religion by Pat Condell
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Um, Negasta: You may wish to bear in mind that some of us do have things to do other than post all day before saying I've run away...
Do not!
Sorry...Admittedly, I do tend to have some fun with it; too much monkey in me, I suppose. At the same time, I have been known to back down if you can show me an actual error, and I have done research for someone arguing against me, so I don't feel too bad. Worse, I actually do read through the complete post; I just tend to tear things apart if they don't look right...
Discussions like this I tend to hunker down on because there is a lot more opinion than there is fact, and it can get fun separating the sort-of trues from the really-trues.
Take communists and their persecution of the religious, for example: Communists tend to see religion solely as a collection of superstitions and archaic beliefs meant to place constraints on the people so that they feel content in their place (ergo Marx' "religion is the opiate of the masses"). Because of this, when a country becomes communist, the first thing that usually happens is that the old-time religions tend to disappear, and the leadership does its level best to destroy them (such as Russia's pogroms against Jews and "winter holidays" for Christians, and the almost total destruction of anything historical in China (with a focus on monasteries and palaces). In essence, the state religion is Atheism, as there is no compatibility between religion and communism.
It leads to religious persecution, and that the religious tend to disappear mysteriously. I'd love to give you actual figures, but there are none (there aren't even estimates that everyone agrees on for the total killed during the various revolutions, and I went at for almost an hour). Nonetheless, it has been rather well-documented that the gulags were full of religious men and that the churches were closed. I don't see it as unreasonable to say that Mao and Stalin killed a lot of Christians based on the numbers that I have seen.
If nothing else, given Communism's rep for bloody revolutions and atheism, I'm curious what the reasoning is behind those that say that they didn't kill a lot of people, especially as the estimates have ranged from a few million to hundreds of millions. Even at the low end of that, that's still a lot of people...
[And to be nice, sorta: This topic has been raised here before. Those were the conversations I was mentioning. Obviously they had nothing to do with your recordings...]
Care to enlighten?
RG
Do not!
Sorry...Admittedly, I do tend to have some fun with it; too much monkey in me, I suppose. At the same time, I have been known to back down if you can show me an actual error, and I have done research for someone arguing against me, so I don't feel too bad. Worse, I actually do read through the complete post; I just tend to tear things apart if they don't look right...
Discussions like this I tend to hunker down on because there is a lot more opinion than there is fact, and it can get fun separating the sort-of trues from the really-trues.
Take communists and their persecution of the religious, for example: Communists tend to see religion solely as a collection of superstitions and archaic beliefs meant to place constraints on the people so that they feel content in their place (ergo Marx' "religion is the opiate of the masses"). Because of this, when a country becomes communist, the first thing that usually happens is that the old-time religions tend to disappear, and the leadership does its level best to destroy them (such as Russia's pogroms against Jews and "winter holidays" for Christians, and the almost total destruction of anything historical in China (with a focus on monasteries and palaces). In essence, the state religion is Atheism, as there is no compatibility between religion and communism.
It leads to religious persecution, and that the religious tend to disappear mysteriously. I'd love to give you actual figures, but there are none (there aren't even estimates that everyone agrees on for the total killed during the various revolutions, and I went at for almost an hour). Nonetheless, it has been rather well-documented that the gulags were full of religious men and that the churches were closed. I don't see it as unreasonable to say that Mao and Stalin killed a lot of Christians based on the numbers that I have seen.
If nothing else, given Communism's rep for bloody revolutions and atheism, I'm curious what the reasoning is behind those that say that they didn't kill a lot of people, especially as the estimates have ranged from a few million to hundreds of millions. Even at the low end of that, that's still a lot of people...
[And to be nice, sorta: This topic has been raised here before. Those were the conversations I was mentioning. Obviously they had nothing to do with your recordings...]
Care to enlighten?
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Excuse me GOD,
but I am bored here.
Shep+
but I am bored here.
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