Cuba Develops Potential Cancer Vaccine

[Vitamin]

I love how now that Ben has been completely proven wrong on healthcare he has to go into something so utterly irrelevant as FDA regulations.

 

[otters]

I love how now that Ben has been completely proven wrong on healthcare he has to go into something so utterly irrelevant as FDA regulations.

But one must admit: There have been occasions, decades ago, where the FDA has been saving lives, despite the industry's pressure.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Oldham_Kelsey

 

[kallipolis]

Yes, but that to is strictly regulated by the beaurocracy.

Not if you are terminally ill...

 

[Benvolio]

Not if you are terminally ill...

Even that needs slow and reluctant permission from the bureaucrats.

 

[otters]

Even that needs slow and reluctant permission from the bureaucrats.

I suppose "The Liberty Bell" is ringing again? Of course, it's as usual, benvolio's "slow and reluctant […] bureaucrats" are filthy Communists, filthy Roman Catholics, filthy Jews, filthy Free Masons, filthy Immigrants, filthy Muslims, etc. etc.

 

[Vitamin]

I suppose "The Liberty Bell" is ringing again? Of course, it's as usual, benvolio's "slow and reluctant […] bureaucrats" are filthy Communists, filthy Roman Catholics, filthy Jews, filthy Free Masons, filthy Immigrants, filthy Muslims, etc. etc.

You left out the filthy Mexicans. Being a bureaucrat is a job Americans won't do!

 

[Benvolio]

You left out the filthy Mexicans. Being a bureaucrat is a job Americans won't do!

Filthy is your word, not mine. Now you can see why I have had otters on ignore for months.

 

[kallipolis]

Even that needs slow and reluctant permission from the bureaucrats.

Forthcoming, and rapidly when the patient is near death.

 

[Vitamin]

Forthcoming, and rapidly when the patient is near death.

Ben is being disingenuous as usual here. What he's talking about is getting the drug approved for clinical trials by the FDA. Of course, the US government is not directly involved in approving every single praticpant in a study as he is suggesting.

 

[Kabluey]

No, the regulations of the Food and Drug Administrations are so strict that a new drug must undergo a series of tests and clinical trials before it approved for sale. The process alone costs many millions of dollars and usually takes years.

And you regurgitate what lobbyists for the drug industry quote without question.

It's almost as though you actually believe bureaucrats are pocketing the billions drug companies claim to spend developing each new drug.
Would you prefer no testing on your next batch of heart/baldness/blood pressure pills?

 

[rareboy]

Along these lines...I would just like to point out that it was a vaccine developed in Socialist Worker's Paradise Canada that showed the greatest promise for Ebola...but I suppose that since big Pharma can't reap trillions off it...they wouldn't really care about it would they?

Thank God for the compound drug manufacturer who has stepped in to slap down the little turd Martin Schkrelly.....

http://i2.wp.com/problamb.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Martin-Shkreli.jpg?resize=1228,730 [Linked Image: NSFW]

 

[Kabluey]

Along these lines...I would just like to point out that it was a vaccine developed in Socialist Worker's Paradise Canada that showed the greatest promise for Ebola...but I suppose that since big Pharma can't reap trillions off it...they wouldn't really care about it would they?

Thank God for the compound drug manufacturer who has stepped in to slap down the little turd Martin Schkrelly.....

The audacity of that small drug marketer brought to light practises that the big companies have been engaging in on a much larger, if more subtle scale.

 

[Benvolio]

Look again. Even though Cuba has developed the vaccine, it will not be available in the US without beaurocratic approval, which costs many millions of dollars. It seems likely that it will be licensed to a drug company which then will hope to recover its costs. That may be problematic since it would appear that it is too late to patent it, if it is already in the public domain.

 

[Vitamin]

Look again. Even though Cuba has developed the vaccine, it will not be available in the US without beaurocratic approval, which costs many millions of dollars. It seems likely that it will be licensed to a drug company which then will hope to recover its costs. That may be problematic since it would appear that it is too late to patent it, if it is already in the public domain.

The job is already being taken by the Roswell Park Cancer Institute.

The Obama administration has, of course, been trying to normalize relations with the island nation. And last month, during New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s visit to Havana, Roswell Park Cancer Institute finalized an agreement with Cuba’s Center for Molecular Immunology to develop a lung cancer vaccine and begin clinical trials in the US. Essentially, US researchers will bring the Cimavax vaccine stateside and get on track for approval by the Food and Drug Administration.

“The chance to evaluate a vaccine like this is a very exciting prospect,” says Candace Johnson, CEO of Roswell Park. She’s excited, most likely, because research on the vaccine so far shows that it has low toxicity, and it’s relatively cheap to produce and store. The Center for Molecular Immunology will give Roswell Park all of the documentation (how it’s produced, toxicity data, results from past trials) for an FDA drug application; Johnson says she hopes to get approval for testing Cimavax within six to eight months, and to start clinical trials in a year.

http://www.wired.com/2015/05/cimavax-roswell-park-cancer-institute/

Oh, and by the way, Roswell Park is no drug company by any stretch of the imagination. They're a small chain of hospitals in upstate New York who specialize in cancer treatment.

https://www.roswellpark.org

 

[TX-Beau]

Look again. Even though Cuba has developed the vaccine, it will not be available in the US without beaurocratic approval, which costs many millions of dollars. It seems likely that it will be licensed to a drug company which then will hope to recover its costs. That may be problematic since it would appear that it is too late to patent it, if it is already in the public domain.

If it's already in the public domain, THREE CHEERS for COMMUNIST DOCTORS!!!!!!!!

Making money off of dying, desperate people is evil, revolting, and abhorrent.

This certainly gives the lie to the idea that without market capitalism you don't get applied science.

The rest of that is some kind of grumbling about costs at the FDA - which has no jurisdiction over the rest of the planet as is therefore entirely moot. IF this leads to breakthroughs that are real - SOME SOCIALISTS IN EUROPE will pounce and cancer patients will spend thier springs in Paris.

Won't that be nice for them.