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Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
Gay republicans make me sick.
Gay republicans make me sick.
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Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mind
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Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
While I agree with Dean in principle, supporting Democrats by default is a pathetic plea.
If someone offers something positive, then you support them. But supporting a party because it hasn't actively offered legislation to harm us it completely lame. Until Hillary finally spoke up last week, we didn't even exist.
While I agree with Dean in principle, supporting Democrats by default is a pathetic plea.
If someone offers something positive, then you support them. But supporting a party because it hasn't actively offered legislation to harm us it completely lame. Until Hillary finally spoke up last week, we didn't even exist.
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
Yeah, the Democrats will throw us out of the sleigh if it helps them escape from the wolves.
The Republicans are the wolves.
And you know what? At the national level, we really only have two choices. Because of the two-party system (which isn't really something I'd call "democracy" or even "representative democracy") voting for any third party (Libertarian, Reform, or some mythical Gay Marriage for Everyone! party) is, unfortunately, the practical equivalent of not voting at all. And since politics is personal for all gay people (until all discrimination ends), the ethical equivalent as well.
I'm not delighted with the Democratic Party, and the whole reason both parties keep the two-party "democracy" so firmly in place is so we're forced to choose between alternatives that would otherwise be unacceptable, and I wish like hell we could get rid of that...but unfortunately it has worked. They have us in a forked stick.
Given those facts, I'll vote for the party that doesn't want to put me in a concentration camp, rather than help a party that does want to do that win (actively or passively).
Yeah, the Democrats will throw us out of the sleigh if it helps them escape from the wolves.
The Republicans are the wolves.
And you know what? At the national level, we really only have two choices. Because of the two-party system (which isn't really something I'd call "democracy" or even "representative democracy") voting for any third party (Libertarian, Reform, or some mythical Gay Marriage for Everyone! party) is, unfortunately, the practical equivalent of not voting at all. And since politics is personal for all gay people (until all discrimination ends), the ethical equivalent as well.
I'm not delighted with the Democratic Party, and the whole reason both parties keep the two-party "democracy" so firmly in place is so we're forced to choose between alternatives that would otherwise be unacceptable, and I wish like hell we could get rid of that...but unfortunately it has worked. They have us in a forked stick.
Given those facts, I'll vote for the party that doesn't want to put me in a concentration camp, rather than help a party that does want to do that win (actively or passively).
JayHawk
Rambunctiously Pugnacious
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
Thats the best endorsement for Hillary yet. take that on the road. Please.
Political expediency. How does that make him different?
If you are seeking a luke warm clearance then maybe drug abuse is overlooked. I can guarantee you that for most it is not. By luke warm i mean the politically motivated clearances that will likely result in leaks as so oft happens. When is the last time you heard of a uniform leaking info and not being prosecuted? Yet how many "condition of anonymity" news articles do you read? It is a double standard that harms the US in that our political leaders have to lift themselves vice protecting the country.
I still wonder why it is we need more laws. Is it to force a sentence upon a murderer because some liberal judge would give them probation? How much more than life can you impose? Murder one invokes life. I really fail to see how it does anything but make you feel good that when your dead there is a law named after you. WHOO HOO.
I know that the author is not you spensed but feel free to write to him. You used his argument so feel free to answer his BS.
Thats the best endorsement for Hillary yet. take that on the road. Please.
Political expediency. How does that make him different?
If you are seeking a luke warm clearance then maybe drug abuse is overlooked. I can guarantee you that for most it is not. By luke warm i mean the politically motivated clearances that will likely result in leaks as so oft happens. When is the last time you heard of a uniform leaking info and not being prosecuted? Yet how many "condition of anonymity" news articles do you read? It is a double standard that harms the US in that our political leaders have to lift themselves vice protecting the country.
I still wonder why it is we need more laws. Is it to force a sentence upon a murderer because some liberal judge would give them probation? How much more than life can you impose? Murder one invokes life. I really fail to see how it does anything but make you feel good that when your dead there is a law named after you. WHOO HOO.
I know that the author is not you spensed but feel free to write to him. You used his argument so feel free to answer his BS.
JayHawk
Rambunctiously Pugnacious
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
Oh forget it I responded to him myself.
Oh forget it I responded to him myself.
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
No, it was entirely self-fulfilling, and circular logic. Gay men were a security risk because they could be fired if anyone found out, because gay men were a security risk. Since this would justify anything you wanted to exclude, it is plainly bullshit.Switching subjects, I always wondered about those security clearances. Did the KGB or someone have a whole lot of really hot studs trained the seduce men, or something?
JayHawk
Rambunctiously Pugnacious
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
If you have bad credit you can not get a clearance. the logic is based on vulnerability. That logic of vulnerability has been tested out over and over again.
If something can be used to lever your life and career against your principles then it is a disqualifier for a clearance.
If you have bad credit you can not get a clearance. the logic is based on vulnerability. That logic of vulnerability has been tested out over and over again.
If something can be used to lever your life and career against your principles then it is a disqualifier for a clearance.
JayHawk
Rambunctiously Pugnacious
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
So Mathhew Sheperd was somehow viewed as not a murder? A fist fight between straight and gay men is not just a fist fight? Is it different than when hispanics and African Americans battle outside clubs because of ethnicity? It is still illegal. Please give me a case where a judge said the boys was just havin a leettle fun, ya know, that there fightin is what we do round har.
So Mathhew Sheperd was somehow viewed as not a murder? A fist fight between straight and gay men is not just a fist fight? Is it different than when hispanics and African Americans battle outside clubs because of ethnicity? It is still illegal. Please give me a case where a judge said the boys was just havin a leettle fun, ya know, that there fightin is what we do round har.
JayHawk
Rambunctiously Pugnacious
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
I agree that that first case was a miscarriage of justice. Sounds to me like the facts were there but the lawyer failed to have a fucking brain.
The failure to report will be enhanced by hate crimes laws? The statistics from now need to show that hate crimes laws exist and are making change. Police feel you have to hate to commit crime. I can see their point, I have never killed someone I like. But how does that make a hate crime law more effective in bringing out reporting victims?
In the reporting of zeros, why doesn't the statistical agency find someway to hold agencies who enter a zero vice non reporting accountable? How does a hate crimes law do that?
Help me out. I see the hurt that is out there. I just fail to see how it helps. How does having a hate crime law make it so that the little old black lady report hateful graffitti? What would prevent a judge from saying something was good natured fun? We dont have madatory sentences because the federal guidelines were repealed.
So what do it do?
I agree that that first case was a miscarriage of justice. Sounds to me like the facts were there but the lawyer failed to have a fucking brain.
The failure to report will be enhanced by hate crimes laws? The statistics from now need to show that hate crimes laws exist and are making change. Police feel you have to hate to commit crime. I can see their point, I have never killed someone I like. But how does that make a hate crime law more effective in bringing out reporting victims?
In the reporting of zeros, why doesn't the statistical agency find someway to hold agencies who enter a zero vice non reporting accountable? How does a hate crimes law do that?
Help me out. I see the hurt that is out there. I just fail to see how it helps. How does having a hate crime law make it so that the little old black lady report hateful graffitti? What would prevent a judge from saying something was good natured fun? We dont have madatory sentences because the federal guidelines were repealed.
So what do it do?
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
I don't think anyone's asserting that the Clintons have a perfect record on gay rights. They don't.
But, having said that, Bill Clinton did more for gays and improving their profile in government than any other American President and both Hillary and Obama have actively courted the gay vote. Their Supreme Court nominees alone makes them attractive candidates for guys interested in advancing gay civil rights.
As for whether one should vote for an anti-gay candidate because one supports him or her on other issues, what's so difficult with the race analogy? Clearly, in certain circumstances, expediency could theoretically compel a black guy to vote for a racist in the interests of achieving some greater goal, whatever that might be. It's a question of what priority you give to your civil rights.
If you put advancing gay civil rights towards the top of your agenda, you aren't in your right mind if you vote Republican.
Plus, as I say, the one issue is often a gateway issue on other matters. Guys who are anti minority civil rights tend to have a right wing agenda that goes along with that. So, surprise, surpise, Supreme Court appointees like Scalia are not only, in effect, against personal sexual privacy. but they also are ok with government sponsored torture, otherwise illegal surveillance, etc.
The other point is that the modern day Republican party has been hijacked by a plutocracy interested only in perpetuting itself and not traditional Republican values. So you're not in your right mind if you can support open ended foreign entanglements financed by loans from the Chinese, huge government, huge deficits, government bailouts for businesses, state intrusion into individual lives, etc.
I don't think anyone's asserting that the Clintons have a perfect record on gay rights. They don't.
But, having said that, Bill Clinton did more for gays and improving their profile in government than any other American President and both Hillary and Obama have actively courted the gay vote. Their Supreme Court nominees alone makes them attractive candidates for guys interested in advancing gay civil rights.
As for whether one should vote for an anti-gay candidate because one supports him or her on other issues, what's so difficult with the race analogy? Clearly, in certain circumstances, expediency could theoretically compel a black guy to vote for a racist in the interests of achieving some greater goal, whatever that might be. It's a question of what priority you give to your civil rights.
If you put advancing gay civil rights towards the top of your agenda, you aren't in your right mind if you vote Republican.
Plus, as I say, the one issue is often a gateway issue on other matters. Guys who are anti minority civil rights tend to have a right wing agenda that goes along with that. So, surprise, surpise, Supreme Court appointees like Scalia are not only, in effect, against personal sexual privacy. but they also are ok with government sponsored torture, otherwise illegal surveillance, etc.
The other point is that the modern day Republican party has been hijacked by a plutocracy interested only in perpetuting itself and not traditional Republican values. So you're not in your right mind if you can support open ended foreign entanglements financed by loans from the Chinese, huge government, huge deficits, government bailouts for businesses, state intrusion into individual lives, etc.
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
Couple things
Dean is known for mouthing off - why he has the job that he does is a mystery - he clearly peaked in the dem primary process years ago - the first internet/blog politician to really make their mark - and then he flamed away quickly post the 50 state rant meltdown - oh well
they put him in his current job to ................ not sure
he is a bomb thrower
the kind of guy that never looks for common ground - never looks for bipartisanship - instead prefers to demonize the other side
his lack of leadership during the dem primary battles is established - he had/has no ideas for what to do in fla/mich - and basically no one gives a shit what he says despite his job tittle
he has criticized mccain and any repubs indiscriminately
see him on a sun am news show and he filibusters extreme lib talking points
its what he does - it's who HE is
man w/o a real role anymore
shoulda stayed gov of vermont - perfect setting
interesting that he's a defendent in a sex discrimination suit - little eliot spitzer type say one thing do another controversy? we'll find out - maybe
anyway
one issue does not make my support for a candiate
not gay rights
not abortion
not economic policy
not national security
it all works to make a profile for a candidate - and u have to make ur decision
and for howard dean to suggest that if ur black or gay there's NO way u can vote republican ................ says a lot about howard dean, his immaturity, his self absorption, his lack of ability to understand much of anything
consider the source
Couple things
Dean is known for mouthing off - why he has the job that he does is a mystery - he clearly peaked in the dem primary process years ago - the first internet/blog politician to really make their mark - and then he flamed away quickly post the 50 state rant meltdown - oh well
they put him in his current job to ................ not sure
he is a bomb thrower
the kind of guy that never looks for common ground - never looks for bipartisanship - instead prefers to demonize the other side
his lack of leadership during the dem primary battles is established - he had/has no ideas for what to do in fla/mich - and basically no one gives a shit what he says despite his job tittle
he has criticized mccain and any repubs indiscriminately
see him on a sun am news show and he filibusters extreme lib talking points
its what he does - it's who HE is
man w/o a real role anymore
shoulda stayed gov of vermont - perfect setting
interesting that he's a defendent in a sex discrimination suit - little eliot spitzer type say one thing do another controversy? we'll find out - maybe
anyway
one issue does not make my support for a candiate
not gay rights
not abortion
not economic policy
not national security
it all works to make a profile for a candidate - and u have to make ur decision
and for howard dean to suggest that if ur black or gay there's NO way u can vote republican ................ says a lot about howard dean, his immaturity, his self absorption, his lack of ability to understand much of anything
consider the source
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
dude - gays/blacks/whomever - can vote for whomever they want - THEY want
Howard Dean - not his place to say this person/that group should not do such and such - period
gays wanna vote 100% obama/hillary - whatever - fine - it's each person's right
i would suggest
that the next time u bring something to the party
the party being JUB
will be the first time
betcha im not alone on that one
despite the 80/20 thingy
keep trying though
you'll get it one day
dude - gays/blacks/whomever - can vote for whomever they want - THEY want
Howard Dean - not his place to say this person/that group should not do such and such - period
gays wanna vote 100% obama/hillary - whatever - fine - it's each person's right
i would suggest
that the next time u bring something to the party
the party being JUB
will be the first time
betcha im not alone on that one
despite the 80/20 thingy
keep trying though
you'll get it one day
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
Unfortunately, I don't think you will. LOL.
The majority of blacks and gays don't vote Republican because most of them appreciate that that would be voting against their own interests and concerns.
But you don't need to argue with me. Check out the historical voting statistics and the ones after the coming Presidential election.
Unfortunately, I don't think you will. LOL.
The majority of blacks and gays don't vote Republican because most of them appreciate that that would be voting against their own interests and concerns.
But you don't need to argue with me. Check out the historical voting statistics and the ones after the coming Presidential election.
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
chance1, it's each person's right to decide how to vote. It's also each person's right to decide what to eat.
That doesn't change the fact that a person who eats nothing but candy is being really, really stupid. So are gays who vote Republican.
chance1, it's each person's right to decide how to vote. It's also each person's right to decide what to eat.
That doesn't change the fact that a person who eats nothing but candy is being really, really stupid. So are gays who vote Republican.
PSCGuy
Porn Star
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
Unless that Libertarian is Ron Paul, who thinks gay men get AIDS because they like attention.
But you know. There's only that one little thing.
And isn't it Dean's job promote the Democratic Party?
Unless that Libertarian is Ron Paul, who thinks gay men get AIDS because they like attention.
But you know. There's only that one little thing.
And isn't it Dean's job promote the Democratic Party?
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
exactly - to part one
as for part 2 - ur position is one issue voting
which is the really stupid thingy
exactly - to part one
as for part 2 - ur position is one issue voting
which is the really stupid thingy
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
missed again spensed
we'll try one last time
u keep making my point and arguing against urs
people vote as they see fit - not because howard dean or u tells them they have to
history says blacks/gays vote dem - that's cool
that's history
last i looked gays are affluent - so economics r important to them - paying taxes - gays like to be safe too - so security is important
and so on
for u/the screamer to suggest how someone SHOULD vote, is just u/he being soooooooo self absorbed
yeah
cya spensed
my earlier comment stands - even moreso
next time is the first time
it's my new motto
for u
missed again spensed
we'll try one last time
u keep making my point and arguing against urs
people vote as they see fit - not because howard dean or u tells them they have to
history says blacks/gays vote dem - that's cool
that's history
last i looked gays are affluent - so economics r important to them - paying taxes - gays like to be safe too - so security is important
and so on
for u/the screamer to suggest how someone SHOULD vote, is just u/he being soooooooo self absorbed
yeah
cya spensed
my earlier comment stands - even moreso
next time is the first time
it's my new motto
for u
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi
Is it one of your voices who's arguing that people vote because Howard Dean or I tell them they have to? Certainly no one else is.
Howard Dean is simply pointing out the fact, which even you acknowledge historically, that the majority of gays don't vote, and shouldn't vote, Republican because the Republicans haven't promoted, and don't promote, pro-gay policies.
There you see how easy that is.
Is it one of your voices who's arguing that people vote because Howard Dean or I tell them they have to? Certainly no one else is.
Howard Dean is simply pointing out the fact, which even you acknowledge historically, that the majority of gays don't vote, and shouldn't vote, Republican because the Republicans haven't promoted, and don't promote, pro-gay policies.
There you see how easy that is.