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Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mind

Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

^ Not really.

When people vote, they vote as Republicans, Democrats or some other affiliation, etc. It's the folk, that vote Republican (Let's call them Republicans), who don't elect enough blacks.

I hope that clears it up for you. LOL.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

Oh I see. So when no one runs from a party of a certain color who are you to vote for? The color or the ideas?
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

What I say is fact. You may choose to believe it or not. I could honestly care less.

Yeah, I got it. You only care what you think, and your thinking it makes it fact. Over and out Mr. intelligent.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

Ah. Not black enough for you. Why don't you come out and say if they aren't "liberal" blacks they don't count?

Just go read some history Jav. I don't want to play teacher anymore, I'm retired.
 
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You are truly [removed by moderator]. I do not want to violate the forum rules but the maginitude of which you are deluded is amazing. I can not believe others are in agreement.

From two people you are able to formulate the ideology of all. Amazing. You would have fit well in [removed by moderator]. I am completely astounded and sickened.

However you rationalize their behavior it is sickening to believe you apply that to every person calling themselves conservative, republican and gay.

I can tell you one thing. The men I have lived, loved and fought with bleed just as red whether black, yellow or brown. You unfortunately will never have the courage to give of yourself enough to know that.

I believe fully that if this society we have benefited from with all of its bruises and blemishes is the only future for the gay man. I also believe that it will not be sustained without loss of life and blood. You and yours have never been capable of giving more than a broken nail. I hope sincerely that the freedoms you enjoy are relished with a sense of thanks. But I know that is asking too much.

Many cultures around this globe feel the pleasures of the freedom we have earned. They do not however feel the need to defend such freedom. So go back to colombia. Spend your free American dollars because you failed to plan. Continue to bitch about how bad you have it. But do not ever tell me I do not contribute to your ability to gather that meager sum of money that enables you to exist.

It is obscene to me that you believe all people are based off the example of two. If your a bear then what do you think of two queens? Completely sick.

Are you incapable of understanding how statistics work? Or do you just choose to believe the Stats you agree with? You apparently haven't got a clue that every poll you read is based on less polled people than my two Log Cabin imbecilic racists. I said I think polling only two people is iffy, but so is polling of 1000 people iffy if it intends to represent 300,000,000 of us, yet we all hear and read such narrow polls every day. It's what you choose to believe and it's not reality apparently. So what's the difference? Polls you agree with are cool, and polls you disagree with aren't. It's you that don't make sense my friend. You just seem incapable of grasping simple truths and have problems understanding what I've written. Maybe you spend so much time hating the people who disagree with your opinion you have no time left for understanding what truths you do encounter, even if they are opposite of what you know to be fact. Really sad Mazda.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

Yeah, I got it. You only care what you think, and your thinking it makes it fact. Over and out Mr. intelligent.

No not in the least. Unfortunately I can not post the statistics of why people were turned into spies because where I know them to be I can not post to the world. While that may be a cop out, i simply can not find any public information of the matter.

To be sure homosexuality is not a major player but neither is money and yet 95% of the reasoning for loss of clearance is based on your credit report, failure to pay bills, etc. Basically factors that could lead to exploitation.

Ideology growing as spy justification

Americans who spy against the U.S. increasingly are motivated by ideology rather than by money, with nearly half of the known spies since the end of the Cold War showing allegiance to another country or cause, according to a government report.


I am not saying being gay makes you more or less likely to be a patriot. I mean my god I would have to walk away tomorrow if I truly believed that. Indeed currently, if you read the above article, spies are doing so for ideological reasons much more than manipulation.

What I said was fact. You may not like it but the truth is seldom nice to look at or hear.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

Sadly, I have to agree that Howard Dean is a horse's ass.

I don't like pissing on Democratic hopefuls or Democratic proles, but Mr. Dean couldn't give a rat's ass about any homo-centric constituencies. Howie is a career politician who fucked up once and who has to do penance to the DNC before he can run for high office again.

Equally sadly, he has shown his true homophobic colors in his DNC post, and he has made us all remember that hootin and hollerin cheerleader asshole who tanked his own 2000 campaign.

I equate Dean and McCain. I think that they are precisely the same party-dependent sort of asshole. And I hope that they both are exposed as such before they die.

VP
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

Well, he's right.
But Democrat gays aren't in their right minds, either. The only party that really accepts gays as people, not as a special interest to be manipulated or an embarrassing minority to be kept hidden, is the Libertarian.

And, The Socialist. Don't exclude them out.


The only party who is actively calling for zero discrimination, and quality for all, is the Socialist.

The libertarians call for complete economic and social freedom, which includes the right for businesses to do anything they want with their business.

Lets make a little scenario.

A restaurant displays a sign outside saying "No Gays. Homosexuals will not be served."

How would Libertarians feel about this? They would say "It's their business, they can serve anyone they want".

What would the socialist say about this? "this is to be expected in a capitalist system. Privatization is the cause of this mess".


Think about that.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

^ Yeah, and the Gays that I know would be standing outside of that restaurant handing out free drinks and sandwiches to feed anyone who was hungry FOR FREE! :D

:gogirl:

Anyone who embraces the United States Constitution would call that "Exercising our First Amendment Rights."

Would they be "Liberals," "Conservatives," or "Commie Pinko Fags?" ;)
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

Commie pinko fags xD


I'm just saying, I hate the way that American market libertarians have been pretentious enough to suggest that they have the monopoly on the idea of freedom and liberty.

Libertarian socialism has been around a whole lot longer than right-wing libertarianism.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

No not in the least. Unfortunately I can not post the statistics of why people were turned into spies because where I know them to be I can not post to the world. While that may be a cop out, i simply can not find any public information of the matter.

To be sure homosexuality is not a major player but neither is money and yet 95% of the reasoning for loss of clearance is based on your credit report, failure to pay bills, etc. Basically factors that could lead to exploitation.

Ideology growing as spy justification



I am not saying being gay makes you more or less likely to be a patriot. I mean my god I would have to walk away tomorrow if I truly believed that. Indeed currently, if you read the above article, spies are doing so for ideological reasons much more than manipulation.

What I said was fact. You may not like it but the truth is seldom nice to look at or hear.

You keep unwittingly supporting me Mazda. You choose to believe everything this lying administration wants you to believe. For a reality check, watch Judge Judy, (a truly obnoxious woman) but right on when she tells some loser: "Lie to me once and I won't believe anything you say again." So Bush and company has lied to all of us not once, but repeatedly and you still believe them? Wake up my man you are being had. It makes you and your opinions as suspect as Bush's. You absolutism is telling. It causes you to pick and choose which truths you want to believe instead of looking at the whole and trying to piece together what actually might be more truthful. You are refuted by one word: Guantanamo.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

And, The Socialist. Don't exclude them out.


The only party who is actively calling for zero discrimination, and quality for all, is the Socialist.

The libertarians call for complete economic and social freedom, which includes the right for businesses to do anything they want with their business.

Lets make a little scenario.

A restaurant displays a sign outside saying "No Gays. Homosexuals will not be served."

How would Libertarians feel about this? They would say "It's their business, they can serve anyone they want".

What would the socialist say about this? "this is to be expected in a capitalist system. Privatization is the cause of this mess".


Think about that.

I know of two instances where signs like that were posted in restaurants. The most famous being Barney's Beanery in West Hollywood. It nearly went out of business before they took down the sign and put up an apology. The other was in Houston, and did go out of business before they realized it was gay money that kept them afloat. It really always comes down to the dollar in capitalism. Shit, they'd serve Aardvarks if it made money. The Crest Cafe serves dogs in Silverlake LA.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

^ Yeah, and the Gays that I know would be standing outside of that restaurant handing out free drinks and sandwiches to feed anyone who was hungry FOR FREE! :D

:gogirl:

Anyone who embraces the United States Constitution would call that "Exercising our First Amendment Rights."

Would they be "Liberals," "Conservatives," or "Commie Pinko Fags?" ;)

You mean I get to choose? I'm so flustered now. I've always been told what I was before!:confused:
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

You keep unwittingly supporting me Mazda. You choose to believe everything this lying administration wants you to believe. For a reality check, watch Judge Judy, (a truly obnoxious woman) but right on when she tells some loser: "Lie to me once and I won't believe anything you say again." So Bush and company has lied to all of us not once, but repeatedly and you still believe them? Wake up my man you are being had. It makes you and your opinions as suspect as Bush's. You absolutism is telling. It causes you to pick and choose which truths you want to believe instead of looking at the whole and trying to piece together what actually might be more truthful. You are refuted by one word: Guantanamo.

Okay Diego Garcia.

What if any does your diatribe have to do with either of the arguments? One referring to assigning a group attributes base on only seeing two AND your claim that I lie because of stated facts IRT security clearance?

Seriously what does Bush lies have to do with you placing a stereotype on a group of people? Indeed, what does Bush lies have to do with the form and manner in which Security Clearances are handled by our govt?

I think the RoE in JUB speaks directly to changing the subject because you cant win your argument on its own merits. I mean really, "I am gonna take my ball and go home" hasn't worked since the playground and even there it was dubious at best.

P.S. I don't support your claims. I simply try to add information since you appear to form your opinions without the aid of such things as data.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

Obviously, none of the progress, whetheer dynamic or steady, has anything to do with Republicans or with McCain, who is indifferent and/or hostile to gay issues and who, having married a second wife, who is very, very rich, doesn't give a fuck about helping most Americans or even providing a context where they can help themselves.

McCain's on the same ego trip as Bush or Cheney and, like them, his focus is on preserving real wealth for the benefit of the few who have it. It's like communism or socialism in reverse. Consolidation and redistribution of weath in and to the wealthy minority at the expense of the everyone else. Check the statistics.

Anyone who votes McCain isn't in their right mind, unless they're also very rich and it's in their economic and social interest to do so. Most Republican voters, like the guys now out of work in Ohio or the Log Cabin Republicans, get conned into voting against their own concerns.

That's really all Dean was getting at.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

Okay Diego Garcia.

What if any does your diatribe have to do with either of the arguments? One referring to assigning a group attributes base on only seeing two AND your claim that I lie because of stated facts IRT security clearance?

Seriously what does Bush lies have to do with you placing a stereotype on a group of people? Indeed, what does Bush lies have to do with the form and manner in which Security Clearances are handled by our govt?

I think the RoE in JUB speaks directly to changing the subject because you cant win your argument on its own merits. I mean really, "I am gonna take my ball and go home" hasn't worked since the playground and even there it was dubious at best.

P.S. I don't support your claims. I simply try to add information since you appear to form your opinions without the aid of such things as data.

Read back Mazda. I didn't change the subject, you did. I'm still talking about Statistics, what are you talking about? Spies and [STRIKE]bogymen[/STRIKE] er, terrorists? I've never met either to my knowledge, but I have met a lot of assholes who think they know more than the average joe, and like to lord it over the joe by saying things like "if I told you what I know, I'd have to kill you". What a steaming crock of shit. And you have no idea what kind of data I collect, but I don't see any at all coming from you.

When I post a thread, I usually have links to my sources, and no matter how official my links have been, you seem to know more about the given subject, because you actually have the gall to take the opposite opinion from the recognized experts on a subject, just because you think differently. You have proven once again that your opinions reign supreme over every other living human and even most of the dead ones too.

All hail Mazdaboi! Long live Mazdaboi! I for one feel blessed to be able to communicate with you almost directly. Kind of like having Jesus on the main line. If you weren't do cock sure that your opinions are without doubt the only correct opinions, you might find you can learn something; at least once in a while.

By the way, when I make a comment on any thread, I perceive my comments to be just my opinion. If I want to point out what I believe to be a falsehood, I usually rummage around for a link. But of course, I bow to your superior opinion, and recognize such a complex superiority doesn't need to back up his opinions because everyone already knows you speak nothing but the absolute truth. Better than GWB himself. :soapbox:
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

Read back Mazda. I didn't change the subject, you did. I'm still talking about Statistics, what are you talking about? Spies and bogymen er, terrorists? I've never met either to my knowledge, but I have met a lot of assholes who think they know more than the average joe, and like to lord it over the joe by saying things like "if I told you what I know, I'd have to kill you". What a steaming crock of shit. And you have no idea what kind of data I collect, but I don't see any at all coming from you.

The suject of clearance was mentioned in a post by spensed from a post by someone entirely not on this board (as far as i know)

The conversation evolved from an idiotic saying by Dean to Libs defending it with oh so smooth comment like "Gay republicans make me sick" to very eloquent examples given by spensed on what the Clintons and Democrats have given the gay Community. On from there to Hate legislation. Then on even further to why people vote the way they do. Like I said Spensed made the comment about clearance based on someone elses blog you then took up the same line with a comment on J Edgar Hoover and used the same post to tell me I was full of shit and knew it and whats more I should know that because of Craig.

I responded that my knowledge of how and what is checked for a clearance is not bullshit but fact.

Meantime you entered the entire conversation with one of the most biggoted viewpoints I have ever observed. I called you on it. You cannot judge all by two. You responded that I obviously don't know LCR because only then would I say such an ignorant thing. Then you try to appeal to my squeamish side saying they dont love me. I know that. Neither do the Dems. Thats what you dont understand.

I called you on that statement immediately in this post and you failed to respond. I addressed your blatant bigotry in this post since the requirements in your life didnt allow you to respond to the initial volley.

SO then finally you respond to say that because of polling where they take a sample and form a opinion that racism, sexism and political party-ism are okie dokie. Just take the two you have met and cast your net of hate. You would have done well in the south in 1960 as a klansman. They used the same arguments. SO then you go on to assume that it was because of their party affiliation that "trained" or "brainwashed" hate against blacks and latinos. All based on two people. Never been to a party meeting, never listened to a word but you simply assume.

I then took great offense at your inferrence of ideology on a whole group of people and your applying that bigotry to me because I value conservative ideas. I work in wuite possibly the most diverse major industry in America and I have placed my life in the hands of people you would view at the end of your nose because they have different ideas than you.

You then go on with how statistics justifies racism. Since you smugly responded to only the sound bite of where I claim to know the facts of how to get a clearance but choose to take it out of context I then provided an article and some facts that are current. However the new article has more to do with ideology vice cash reward for spies. Still you refuse to respond to that with nothing more than insults.

SO somehow your next response is completely out of context from any of the conversation. You choose to attack Bush Lies instead of responding to the clearance conversation i was continuing. You still have failed to give any credible proof as to why you can impose a bigoted view on all conservative gay men based on two. Then your argument winner and end of story is Guantanamo.

You incessantly want to discuss everything in the world you can find abhorent to disguise the fact that you made and obvioulsy believe the extremely bigoted statements you make. I think it is you sir that needs to focus. Put away the name calling. You need not spend three paragraphs singing the sarcastic praises on me. You need to answer for your own "mis-spoken" statements.

Throughout all of this you claim that you look for sources in your post but no where ......no where in this thread is one single source provided.

I realize you pad your link statement with when I post a thread but that really is apples and oranges is it not? To claim I supply no links just opinion and then do the same yourself is pretty self assuming is it not?

I really feel like I am arguing with a playmate on the playground. These simple to see through tactics were blown up and disgarded when I was 7. I would hope you can do better.

So now to hear exactly why it is you may view an entire group based on two:

We're waiting.

p.s. The difference between polls inferring an opinion and you inferring an ideology to an entire group is epic. I am sorry you can not see that.
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

wow these things go on for a long time and get hostile

Dean helps nothing when he insults people who do not belong to the Democratic party. That will not cause people to reconsider their allegiances and beliefs.

I have no idea why any rational person would be a republican. Beating republicans over the head is not going to make them Democrats.

Actually I do know why people are republicans and I disagree with their philosophy but beating them over the head never seems to convert them. All this vehemence and insulting each other - is that just to release pressure and give everyone a forum to say "the other side sucks" or is something meaningful supposed to be happening?
 
Re: Dean: Gay Republicans aren't in their right mi

I have no idea Jack. I do know I have a difficult time letting insults pass. I also have a extremely difficult time letting biggotry pass when it is used to defend insults. SO there I am.
 
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