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Death penalty?

Death penalty?

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I'm against it because death penalty wastes a lot of tax money and typically someone who was sentenced with death penalty won't actually get that sentenced until 20+ years later. A whole lot of appeals = a whole lot of money wasted.
 
I think it should up to the families of the victims, because it is their freedom of choice to decide this issue, in accordance with their own consciences, they have the right to privacy, the state cannot legislate this issue.

At least, this is the usual rhetoric trotted out when human lives are at stake so I'm just trying to apply it consistently.
 
While I do believe that there are some people who deserve to die for their crimes, I have too many fundamental problems with the way the death penalty is applied and carried out.
 
I'm absolutely against it, I would rather have 10 criminals walk away free than to have the state murder 1 INNOCENT person, just to gratify the urge to seek revenge. Besides, since the DNA, hundreds of cases have been re-examined, only to find that there were many many innocent people who have been murdered by the state, look up "The DNA Project" for more details. And I also know that the burden of the death penalty falls mostly on the poor, the minorities, and the mentally ill, who are not able to afford the best defense or the sympathy of the powerful elites.
 
I voted "for".

Even though in so many cases I'd choose 'against".

But there are those few SOB's that need to die. Ted Bundy? Jeffrey Dahmer? Etc.?
 
If a civilised society is happy to take all of the benefits that ensue from its members participating successfully, developing themselves and improving the infrastructures they operate within, then it follows that that society will absorb the failings and consequences of abohorrent behaviour also, with as much of an eye to the potential of its members to improve and become productive again in the future, while recognising the role that a responsible and civilised society has to play in seriously trying to prevent antisocial behaviours in the first place. There are instances when people display psychopathic/sociopathic behaviour and those people ought to be installed in mental health facilities that are properly set up to help those people to the best of our abilities. For people who are sane but who behave criminally, imprison them but provide them with skills emotional, social and occupational that ensure that they and their society are best placed to operate to the maximum advantage of both.

The death penalty is an often vengeful and self-righteous, always violent response that has little to do with justice and which does not recognise the temporal nature of our criminal and moral codes and outrages, nor the constant tendency of most leaders to function first to their own advantage and as slaves to their own avarice as they manipulate their populations to gain office or advance by inspiring improper emotions and senses of injured pride and fear. Whether a death is brought about by one person's improper emotions or greed, or whether it is brought about by the individuals that operate professioally under the banners of State the outcome is the same and society suffers.

And this hasn't even touched on the high likelihood of improper findings and biases in courts and other branches and offices of judicial systems, let alone the ignorances that all people hold as part of our nature that allows for unpredictable or surprising responses to circumstances that result in some criminal code being breached.

Furthermore, state sanctioned killing is cold blooded, calculated, knowingly destructive and enacted by people who have time to consider the consequences often moreso than the person facing sentence, and who are often in positions of influence to inspire others in office to develop a society where the stresses that result in unlawful actions are reduced significantly, thereby helping members of that society avoid facing prosecution for improper reactions.

But executions are so much more entertaining and exciting than tolerance and forgiveness and self-commitment to helping other to improve.
 
Yes and no. I believe it is a responsibility of the people to enforce the laws, and punishment for crimes should be the same of the crime in most cases.

But, the appeal system for the death row is too costly. It is just cheaper to let them rot in a cell with satelitte tv and a full library then to let them keep appealing to get out of the death penalty. If the appeal system is fixed, then I wouldn't personally mind seeing capital punishment once more.
 
Against. There are far too many cases of innocent people being executed (or, if they're 'lucky' proved to be innocent after many years on death row) to have any confidence that the use of the death penalty is safe.

Furthermore, the methods of execution used are in and of themselves acts of premeditated, cold blooded murder, and should, logically, result in the death penalty for those involved in the process.

Add to the mix that, as far as America goes, the justice system is tainted by politics as Sheriffs, District Attorneys and Judges face re-election and therefore the temptation to play to the lynch mobs baying for blood can often overtake the needs of justice. Revenge is not the same as justice.

If anyone is in any doubt, have a look at www.wm3.org
 
I am for the death penalty as long as they don't have to die.
 
KalEilde said:
I am thoroughly against it in all cases. Life imprisonment at hard labor? Solitary confinement? Given a spade and a packet of seeds? Real alternatives.
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Same here though I admit alternatives are difficult or even impossible to find in some cases.

Besides too much miscarriages of justice. One in seven.
 
I used to be for it.
I understand the reason for wanting it, not hard to understand if you somehow are involved on a personal nature or have full details of the violent crimes.
Removal from the planet seems like a just reward for hideous acts.
Certainly I wouldn't hesitate should someone I care about become the victim of a crime.
It is about revenge but then who doesn't love a movie where the psycho gets his in the end by the victims family?
Yet what punishment is it to administer some thing that will happen to every one of us, no matter how rich or poor and none of us know the date or time.
It is just as likely that the administering judge or jury meet their demise before the guilty.
Regrettable that there are those that are found guilty but are not, that needs to play a part.
A eye for a eye or whatever. Nah, I 'm not thinking that is so smart.

Anyone who thinks life without parole is a walk in the park has been watching to much TV. There is no maximum security prison in the USA where life is easy, even without hard labor. It is labor to sit around with no reason to wake or sleep or exist. This before you are told when to eat, shower, or have any contact with those that will slit your throat in a heart beat as all is lost and there is no gain to get out.

Again, one thing is certain we all will have our day. So, logic says that punishment due would be a long life staring at concrete walls without the light of day and having a controlled hellish life of loss of privacy, being uncomfortable, lack of purpose, no delights, just bland long days that should last for years before you join everyone else with their final gasp of air.:twisted:
 
I think every society has to keep that option on the table. Lifetime imprisonment is not always good enough, as some criminals are so dangerous they are a constant threat to guards and other prisoners they might be housed near. Also, if the Adolph Hitler and Saddam Hussein types were to be allowed to remain alive in prison, they might serve as a continuing source of inspiration and provocation for followers and copycats.

With that said, I am very concerned about the number of recent incidents where inncocent people were nearly (or actually) executed. Not quite sure how to fix that without abolishing the death penaly altogether (which I don't see happening in the U.S., ever).
 
The Innocence Project:
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/351.php

There have been 249 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.

• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 34 states; since 2000, there have been 183 exonerations.

• 17 of the 249 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row.

• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13 years. The total number of years served is approximately 3,178.

• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 26.

Races of the 249 exonerees:

150 African Americans
71 Caucasians
21 Latinos
2 Asian American
5 whose race is unknown
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If there is a chance that even ONE innocent man can be murdered by the state, it renders the death penalty unsuitable and immoral. Its hardly justice, as the burden doesn't fall equally on everyone, depending on many factors.
 
BGP, the Supreme Court suspended capital punishment from 1972 to 1976. It's possible that such a decision could be handed down in a more lasting fashion. There are also twelve states where capital punishment is prohibited, and in North Carolina, it's been de facto suspended because the state medical association prohibits physicians from attending to executions.
 
I think watching WBAL affected my decision, although I'm usually in the middle ground.
"the homicide rate in Baltimore is nearly seven times the national rate, six times the rate of New York City, and three times the rate of Los Angeles." (from wikipedia)
 
For.

And maybe I've seen too many exaggerated prison dramas like "Oz", but I have the feeling I would prefer to be sentenced to death rather than spend a mere 5 years in prison. Your life in prison doesn't seem to be your life anymore so, in a way, if you commit a crime the state has ALWAYS had the right to take my life away.

So as for innocent people being executed, I don't think a guy released after 30 years of wrong imprisonment is much better off than the innocent guy who was executed. Evidently there are horrible mistakes commited in court all the time which should be addressed BEFORE any kind of sentence is read.

Beyond reasonable doubt my ass!
 
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