Desperate Housewives starts Sept 30th!

[josher]

The only silly thing tonight was the convent releasing Danielle to her grandmother.

They would never have done that without calling Bree.

 

[bostonboy20]

it was a lame episode...lile we're to believe that someone like Susan doesn't have a gay friend?! come the fuck on. It was a regular episode..nothing exceptional nothing great.....but not horrible I guess. Just a regular DH episode

 

[qwe549]

The whole cookie speech by the bitchy gay guy cracked me up. He'll fit in just fine in the neighborhood! I imagine him being friends with Bree.

 

[Danugh]

Crabcake? crabcake? crabcake? LOL


Tonight was pretty good, the season seems to be picking up.

I really like the bitchy gay guy. When he told Susan not to bring a bottle of wine from her vinyard i was like, "you bitch" i like you.


OH my gosh Phylis damn near stole the show tonight, when she came down stairs and got the attention of everyone my jaw was on the floor, i could not believe what was about to happen; but then she did what she did and i thought that was so awesome and her, "you are not the only one who wish they could have a second chance."


I didnt like that she went to Danielles but w/e.


Dillons mom is a real bitch and not in the good way, she is a cold hearted bitch .

Anyways the dead tell tales, i mean the narrater is all knowing LOL.


"Hey Henry check out the sole of that woman that just walked in" LOL

Gabby cracks me up and i like that she went wig shopping with Lynette.


LOL for a minute there i thought Phylis was going to let Daniella stay with her and help her raise the baby thus leaving Bree without a baby when the 9 months were up that would have been a little funny but Danielle is back on next week.

Gabby decrabbing her husband LOL

 

[aijalon18]

didn't like the bitchy one at all. he was so over-the-top rude for no reason. it was stupid. jesse metcalfe looked so different from the preview. maybe they'll bring back justin

 

[sunoftheskye]

How was he rude for no reason? Someone meets you for the first time and tells you they know all about you 'cause they've watched cable, possibly think you and your partner are in a threesome, and talk about how you can't have children. I'd have been rolling my eyes at the bitch too.

 

[sunoftheskye]

it was a lame episode...lile we're to believe that someone like Susan doesn't have a gay friend?! come the fuck on. It was a regular episode..nothing exceptional nothing great.....but not horrible I guess. Just a regular DH episode

First of all, why would she have a gay friend? Explain how that makes sense.

And even if she did, how does that make the things she said seem any less foolish?

You're fooling yourself if you think all people who have gay friends are devoid of ignorance.

 

[Spellbound]

I thought tonights episode was excellent.

The scenes with Katherine and her aunt gave me chills.

I loved to see Phyllis again, and I thought her scenes with Bree were great. I esp loved when she found the fake bellies while wearing that fur coat. So fabulous.

The new gay couple is another great addition to the cast. I really hope Susan manages to become friends with Lee, because I have a feeling that they'd be great friends. And I thought Susan was hilarious with the cookies and the dog. And she deserved to get yelled at by Mike, because what she did was crazy.

I can't believe how graphic they got with Gabby rubbing Victors cock and balls with the crab lotion. That scene was hilarious.

And Edie's realization was classic. I can't wait to see what that crazy bitch does next.

Every episode is better than the last. I hope this continues throughout the season all the way up to the finale.

 

[bostonboy20]

Alright well we already know that Gabbie has a close gay friend. This whole scene made it seam like Susan had never met a gay person in her whole life....which I feel is unrealistic since she is friends with Gabbie. And why was everyoneelse in her whole story line so excepting of the gay couple except her?.


The things she did were obvi because of her uncomfortableness of the situation.

 

[sunoftheskye]

What? Who said she wasn't accepting of the gay couple? You can be accepting of people and say things that are ignorant. That was the point. She wasn't uncomfortable, she just really wanted them to like her and had diarrhea of the mouth.

What does Gaby's gay friend have to do with anything? She was a fashion model, of course she'd have gay friends. Bree's friends with Gaby and wasn't she the one who ruined the relationship she had with her son because he came out?

You're really reaching, sorry.

 

[sunoftheskye]

Well to be fair, the "black characters" were there for the sake of the mystery, and most people hated them and their story anyway so it was probably smart to move them off the street.

It'd be fairer to compare them to the Mayfairs, and supposedly Dana Delany is now a permanent cast member. Not sure about her wife and daughter.

 

[Homoaffectional]

I can't believe no one has been on here to discuss the new gay couple on Wisteria Lane!

I liked the bitchy one more. His and Susan's relationship will be a real hoot.

I've been meaning to get around to this thread, but I didn't rush over here to be the first one to post at 10:02 PM, cuz I know how many people on these forums want to wipe out gay characters from television and movies (or at least could care less if there weren't any more gay characters seen ever again), so I figure fewer people will rush to mention it, discouraged by the massive amounts of internalized homophobia and self-loathing around these parts. That's why there wasn't any hurry to post something after seeing how some people are.

I think the writers were setting us up to see the eventual journey to where Susan and Lee get to be really good friends. I was kind of surprised by how narrow-minded Susan came off as. I think if Teri Hatcher had any part in the script, she wouldn't have let her character have to say those horrible lines.

It is *so* great to see Kevin Rahm play gay, though!!!

But I really wonder just how long it will take before we see a love scene between the two neighbors. Although we've seen scenes with Andrew and a boyfriend here and there, I think it'll be even more difficult for those straight men that tune in to watch the near-naked housewives to see two grown gay men living in their own household being intimate, because it's not just a "college thing" or a "phase", as some ignorant people like to think of it as.

The whole Bree babyshower thing was awesome! I can't believe her mother-in-law almost spilled the beans. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time.

Hardly! Anyone familiar with the way these storylines work know that the grandma would ultimately keep her mouth shut for now. I wasn't in the least bit surprised or in any suspense whatsoever.

Gabby decrabbing her husband LOL

I loved the "napalm the jungle" and "All quiet on the southern front" lines!

How was he rude for no reason? Someone meets you for the first time and tells you they know all about you 'cause they've watched cable, possibly think you and your partner are in a threesome, and talk about how you can't have children. I'd have been rolling my eyes at the bitch too.

I agree, but I think it seems a bit over the top, even for Susan. I just find it out of character. Susan has been known to put her foot-in-her-mouth, but that's usually because she is not the best planner or communicator. But she is not mean-spirited by nature. That's more Edie's spiel than anything; possibly Gaby's as well.

First of all, why would she have a gay friend? Explain how that makes sense.

And even if she did, how does that make the things she said seem any less foolish?

You're fooling yourself if you think all people who have gay friends are devoid of ignorance.

It makes tons of sense for Susan to have a gay friend. The only one of the five that is unlikely to have a gay friend of the Housewives is Bree (which is probably why the writers stuck her with Andrew -- they're so devious like that...). You're right that it often takes years and years and years for hetero people to learn to appreciate terminology and learn to be conscious of the lives and identities of their gay brothers and sisters (and that is so not a reference to the show that follows DH), but it does make them less likely to let their ignorance show when they're around their gay friends, at least.

 

[ZaCk AttAcK]

I think its going to interesting when the gay couple meet Bree's son and when Bree meets the gay couple that should be a great reaction if it ever happens and i think it will

 

[Homoaffectional]

I think its going to interesting when the gay couple meet Bree's son and when Bree meets the gay couple that should be a great reaction if it ever happens and i think it will

Oh, you know they will and I'm pretty sure that Andrew will be fooling around with one or the other. It's going to get very interesting this season...

I just hope they keep the gay couple around for as long as the show is on! Network needs as many long term gay characters as it can get!

 

[sunoftheskye]

I agree, but I think it seems a bit over the top, even for Susan. I just find it out of character. Susan has been known to put her foot-in-her-mouth, but that's usually because she is not the best planner or communicator. But she is not mean-spirited by nature. That's more Edie's spiel than anything; possibly Gaby's as well.

And her comments weren't mean spirited. We, and the people on the street that know Susan, get that. But someone meeting her for the first time doesn't necessarily know the type of person that Susan is--that she just says stupid things sometimes.

It makes tons of sense for Susan to have a gay friend. The only one of the five that is unlikely to have a gay friend of the Housewives is Bree (which is probably why the writers stuck her with Andrew -- they're so devious like that...). You're right that it often takes years and years and years for hetero people to learn to appreciate terminology and learn to be conscious of the lives and identities of their gay brothers and sisters (and that is so not a reference to the show that follows DH), but it does make them less likely to let their ignorance show when they're around their gay friends, at least.

I didn't say it didn't make sense for her to have a gay friend. I just said I don't understand how it makes sense that she COULDN'T NOT have one. But like I said, even if she did have gay friends, that doesn't mean anything. I know lots of people who have many gay friends and sometimes they say things where I'm just like....

 

[Ontariobear]

No mention of Tom shirtless and in heat?

 

[Homoaffectional]

And her comments weren't mean spirited.

No, her comments were mean-spirited. She didn't mean to say what she said (and I'm sure she wishes she could take them back), but what she said was mean-spirited.

"Times have changed, and you're 'allowed' to have kids"??? That's mean-spirited, but it was the spirit of the words that happened to come out, not in the spirit of her heart. And I'm sure Teri Hatcher didn't have much say in that line.

I didn't say it didn't make sense for her to have a gay friend. I just said I don't understand how it makes sense that she COULDN'T NOT have one.

No, you're backtracking. This is what you said --

First of all, why would she have a gay friend? Explain how that makes sense.

You said it didn't make sense for her to have a gay friend. You're on the record right there.

 

[sunoftheskye]

No, her comments were mean-spirited. She didn't mean to say what she said (and I'm sure she wishes she could take them back), but what she said was mean-spirited.

No, her comments weren't mean spirited. It's true, gay people can't have kids. But the situation, and the way she said it, came across making her look foolish and ignorant.

No, you're backtracking. This is what you said --
You said it didn't make sense for her to have a gay friend. You're on the record right there.

Well that's not what I meant. He was acting as if it was unfathomable that she didn't have any gay friends, and what I meant by that comment was that it makes perfect sense that she doesn't.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

susan tried maybe to hard
but she did try

that guy just had a stick up his ass

take the damn cookies and toss them if you don't want them.
knob he was

 

[Homoaffectional]

No, her comments weren't mean spirited.

YES, her comments were mean-spirited, but they were not reflective of her as a person. They came from what she had picked up by an apathetic, ignorant, and not so kind society. That's partly the reason why she called her gay uncle -- to get some sensitivity schooling.

It's true, gay people can't have kids.

First of all, gay people can and have been having kids for centuries. And before you say "That's not what I meant; I meant gay people can't have kids biologically with each other", let me preempt that by saying, that's not the point. If a sterile woman had adopted a child and Susan had met her, Susan would not have even gone there at all. And if you recall, the discussion about the kids came first when she assumed that "Raphael" was the name of the third in a three-way relationship, and then when it was revealed to her that it was their dog, she and she alone went on the weird, mean-spirited tangent of using dogs as a "substitute" for kids. There was no reason for her to go there. That's something else that wouldn't have even occurred to her to say if she was greeting a hetero couple that had no kids. She would known better than to say that the dog was a "substitute" for kids. She would have respected (yes, even Susan would) that, for whatever reason, they didn't have kids at the time, and perhaps ask them about having kids later on. She wouldn't have said "Right, because you can't have kids" if it was a hetero couple. The comments were mean-spirited, although she certainly didn't mean them that way. She was just blathering on like she usually does, without really monitoring what came out.

Finally, saying something that may be true does not preclude it from being a mean thing to say. It would be like constantly bringing up to a sterile woman that she can't have kids, either... or perhaps bringing it up the first time you met said sterile woman, something I think even Susan wouldn't do (were anyone to let her know that, which I doubt they would if they knew the first thing about her). So, it's true that the woman's sterile, but that doesn't stop it from being mean to have to rub in someone's face.

But the situation, and the way she said it, came across making her look foolish and ignorant.

She certainly did. But though she was not mean-spirited (and Lee himself said twice on another occassions that what she did was nice), the comments she made were.