Dharun Ravi Indicted in Tyler Clementi Suicide

[rareboy]

So I enjoyed reading on the flight home yesterday that this little shit will at least have to go through some misery for his actions.

And hopefully the nasty little cunt Miss Molly Wei will spend a good part of her life seeking redemption.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42681625/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/te...webcam-sex-suicide-arrest-20110425-1dtek.html

Am I the only one who thinks that Ravi looks like he loves to have his cock sucked by another man?

Why do I think that this started when Ravi couldn't get what he wanted from Tyler?

 

[Telstra]

so there is no presumption of innocence until proven guilty for

"nasty cunt Molly" ?

 

[rareboy]

She is an acknowledged and known co-conspirator in the secret videotaping of Tyler Clementi.

It isn't a question that they did it; the new charges for Ravi are related to committing a hate crime and conspiracy...it isn't like they're going to swing for manslaughter or murder.

 

[pat grimshaw]

…Why do I think that this started when Ravi couldn't get what he wanted from Tyler?

(Well I have a theory why YOU would think something like that)

 

[rareboy]

So share it.

What is your theory?

Otherwise your insinuating post just reads as a stupid and irrelevant comment on the story...

....although speculating on the motivations for my speculation would be pretty irrelevant to the topic in any event.

As usual, it appears that some have nothing of interest or relevance to add to the thread.

 

[chrisrobin]

so there is no presumption of innocence until proven guilty for

"nasty cunt Molly" ?

"Presumption of innocence until proven guilty" is only applicable in open court.

 

[medic1]

"Presumption of innocence until proven guilty" is only applicable in open court.

Hey there chrisrobin.
Sorry buddy but Presumption of innocence until proven guilty is applicable
when walking down the street,having a crap,watching tv ect until you either plead guilty or are found guilty by a panel of your peers or by a judge in non
jury situations.
Whether this be in an open court or a closed one.

 

[MarquisOrias]

Don't forget this related thread : http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320377

 

[rareboy]

Hey there chrisrobin.
Sorry buddy but Presumption of innocence until proven guilty is applicable
when walking down the street,having a crap,watching tv ect until you either plead guilty or are found guilty by a panel of your peers or by a judge in non
jury situations.
Whether this be in an open court or a closed one.

I don't know why you're all getting your panties in a twist.

He was charged with these new counts.

Not her.

But for her role in enabling this to happen ( which is not apparently in question, based on the established record of facts), she deserves to spend some serious time thinking about what she, or any other woman would have thought if some guy had done this to them.

I think she's a nasty little cunt based on the evidence to date. Maybe she'll come out of this looking like Mother Theresa and I will be delighted to apologize to all of you who suddenly have decided that she's the victim in this story.

Oh. And by the way Grimshaw...still waiting for you to share.

 

[rareboy]

^ Yes....

Just like the increasingly hot avatar pics that Donny is sharing.

*mops brow*

 

[pat grimshaw]

…your insinuating post...

I couldn't help myself. I got carried away by the adrenalin and passion and smell in your OP

 

[medic1]

Hey there rareboy
Thanks for adding my post as part of your post,but i think that there has
been crossed wires somewhere.
My post was pointing out that the presumption of innocence is not only
valid in an open court scenario.
For what it is worth i agree with you if she was involved in such a tragic
event,then yes i also believe that she should face whatever charges the
USA legal system deems applicable.

 

[rareboy]

^ I wasn't actually targeting your post or even the premise....it was more about the leap by several to paint Molly as some victim in this story.

I didn't think that the presumption of innocence or guilt was particularly germane to the thread topic...so it was about the idea even being introduced that I was chasing down.

I'm not even asking that she face judicial justice....only that she spend about half her life seeking redemption. Either through her God, her work or her vocation. I'd prefer her to do it publicly in order to provide a lesson to other stupid and malevolent children....but if she does it through accepting that she was in fact party to the death of an innocent man and she lies awake every night being tortured by that thought until she finally finds peace, then I'm ok with that too.

 

[Kulindahr]

so there is no presumption of innocence until proven guilty for

"nasty cunt Molly" ?

"Presumption of innocence until proven guilty" is only applicable in open court.

Actually it applies anywhere in the legal process.

Unless you're on probation or parole, and then it only applies if your supervising officer decides to let it.

I'm not even asking that she face judicial justice....only that she spend about half her life seeking redemption. Either through her God, her work or her vocation. I'd prefer her to do it publicly in order to provide a lesson to other stupid and malevolent children....but if she does it through accepting that she was in fact party to the death of an innocent man and she lies awake every night being tortured by that thought until she finally finds peace, then I'm ok with that too.

For starters, they should both be forbidden to have cameras or computers for the next three years of the (free) lives.

 

[medic1]

Dear Kulinhdar
If they are on probation or parole then they have been already found guilty
in a lawcourt.
Their probation officer cannot find them guilty or not guilty what he can do is pull their probation or parole papers and have them remanded back to prison.
Though Rareboy is right we are missing the point of an excellent thread by bringing up the nuances of a Legal system.

 

[Kulindahr]

Dear Kulinhdar
If they are on probation or parole then they have been already found guilty
in a lawcourt.
Their probation officer cannot find them guilty or not guilty what he can do is pull their probation or parole papers and have them remanded back to prison.
Though Rareboy is right we are missing the point of an excellent thread by bringing up the nuances of a Legal system.

Their PO can do any bloody thing he pleases, including sending them back to jail for something they didn't do; all he has to do is write a report and sign it, and the judge will believe it.

 

[rareboy]

My main interest was in Ravi being charged with a hate crime and conspiracy to conceal evidence......

The whole hate crime issue could have profound consequences.

 

[medic1]

Their PO can do any bloody thing he pleases, including sending them back to jail for something they didn't do; all he has to do is write a report and sign it, and the judge will believe it.

Funny i thought that was what i said about a probation officer pulling their papers and getting them sent back to prison.
WHAT he cannot do is find them guilty or innocent because probation officers do
not become involved in monitoring their clients until they have ALREADY been
found guilty of a crime. It is not rocket science.

 

[medic1]

My main interest was in Ravi being charged with a hate crime and conspiracy to conceal evidence......

The whole hate crime issue could have profound consequences.

I agree with rareboy completly even here in the UK this tradgedy is still
being spoken about.

 

[Kulindahr]

Funny i thought that was what i said about a probation officer pulling their papers and getting them sent back to prison.
WHAT he cannot do is find them guilty or innocent because probation officers do
not become involved in monitoring their clients until they have ALREADY been
found guilty of a crime. It is not rocket science.

This has nothing to do with sending them back to prison.

A PO can make something up, write down a report about it, declare the person to be guilty -- and the person is presumed guilty. Someone under the thumb of a PO has the scales reversed: it's guilty unless proven innocent.