"Dharun Ravi"

[JayHawk]

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And now that the guy who pushed him is facing the least of the consequences for his actions, why do we have so many here still wanting to maintain the status quo?

So you think every person who illegally films another person deserves ten to sixty five years in prison? Now I know how the US is the most imprisoned nation on earth.

Dharun brought all this upon himself and has to deal with whatever the outcome.

Everything you just said was solid BackPacker. Dharun brought this on himself and must face the consequences. I still think sans national TV coverage and this guy would have walked with probation. He may still.

 

[fetaby]

So you think every person who illegally films another person deserves ten to sixty five years in prison? Now I know how the US is the most imprisoned nation on earth.

Every person who illegally films another person, attempts to broadcast that video, finds out the guy killed himself and an investigation is starting up then tries to cover up the illegal activities. Yeah.

 

[Croynan]

deleated, eM/

 

[FanofFiction]

Ravi is getting what he deserves. I have no sympathy for him.

I know a lot of people are sympathetic that he may be forced out of the USA when he gets out of prison. I don't see why. He was a guest in the country and broke some of that country's laws. When you are a guest in someone's home and you break a house rule, they usually ask you to leave... Especially when it may have contributed to the death of someone in the house!

He had his whole life there to apply for citizenship. He didn't. That's his decision. And it's not like there aren't plenty of other great countries to live in.

 

[backpacker]

Everything you just said was solid BackPacker. Dharun brought this on himself and must face the consequences. I still think sans national TV coverage and this guy would have walked with probation. He may still.

Without Tyler's suicide or the national coverage, it's highly unlikely that he would have been charged with all 15 counts. He may not have been charged with any crime. That would have been lucky on his part. The reality is that his actions probably contributed to Tyler's suicide and therefore Dharun faced a more vigorous prosecution. It's not much different than a drunk driver. 30 years ago it wasn't viewed a serious problem. If you got pulled over and were a little buzzed, you may only get a warning to be more careful. Now you are going to be arrested, pay some fines and lose your license for a while. If the drunk driver causes an accident and someone dies, they probably will end up in prison. Much like Dharun, the drunk driver often doesn't realize it is a big deal and certainly doesn't mean to cause harm, but they made a stupid choice and have to live with the consequences.

Unfortunately Dharun didn't take the plea deal, which was his chance for probation and would have also spared MB and Tyler's family the pain of a trial. In New Jersey a second degree conviction carries the presumption of prison time (5 to 10 years). According to attorneys who practice in New Jersey, 99% of the time a conviction on a second degree charges means prison time. Given that Dharun was convicted of three second degree felonies and 12 other felonies, the chance for no prison time is very slim. Dharun's only hope is that Tyler's parents are OK with Dharun not spending time in prison.

 

[justaguy]

Dharun's only hope is that Tyler's parents are OK with Dharun not spending time in prison.

I don't want to sound like I'm being overly harsh on the parents, considering they have lost their son, although they do seem to be throwing as many arrows as anyone else, but I'm not sure that Tyler's strictly religious parents should have much of a say in the matter, to be honest.

This from wikipedia :

A few days before leaving home to attend college at Rutgers, Clementi told his parents that he was gay. While his father supported him, Clementi said in an instant message to a friend that his mother had "basically completely rejected" him.

Perhaps, there is as much of a lesson to be learnt for good parenting than anything else. We all know that much of the angst that many young gay people face comes from within their own family. Contrary to some media reports, I don't think we know why Tyler took his life, or at least what the major reason was.

 

[Ninja108]

His lawyer has to be ripping his hair out right about now. Rejecting the plea deal was one thing but to go on tv and come off the way he did..not good at all.

 

[backpacker]

His lawyer has to be ripping his hair out right about now. Rejecting the plea deal was one thing but to go on tv and come off the way he did..not good at all.

I'm sure his attorney was involved with this interview as he was with the other interview where he sat by Dharun's side. The problem is that the attorney isn't very good.

 

[backpacker]

I don't want to sound like I'm being overly harsh on the parents, considering they have lost their son, although they do seem to be throwing as many arrows as anyone else, but I'm not sure that Tyler's strictly religious parents should have much of a say in the matter, to be honest.

This from wikipedia :

A few days before leaving home to attend college at Rutgers, Clementi told his parents that he was gay. While his father supported him, Clementi said in an instant message to a friend that his mother had "basically completely rejected" him.

Perhaps, there is as much of a lesson to be learnt for good parenting than anything else. We all know that much of the angst that many young gay people face comes from within their own family. Contrary to some media reports, I don't think we know why Tyler took his life, or at least what the major reason was.

I think that his mother has definitely downplayed her reaction to Tyler's coming out. With that said, a complete rejection appears to be an over the top statement. Three days later she took him to school and by all accounts spoke to him often on the phone.

The sweetheart plea deal probably wouldn't have been offered without Tyler's parents support of no jail time for Dharun. At least that's what the DA indicated. For parents who lost a child, I think they have been very compassionate. I'm sure they realize there was more to Tyler's suicide than just the web cam incidents.

I do think this should be a cautionary tale to all parents.