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Did my parents screw me up?

gaytxn09

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So I'm home alone on a Saturday night, and I know pretty much no one here in my hometown (strange isn't it?), so I've been reading the forums, and I read a lot in this one tonight, and I thought I should probably write something about what I've been having some problems with lately. And I apologize in advance for this monster post.

I don't really have any issues with my sexuality. At least not anymore. It's fair to say that I'm gay, and I'm okay with it. I love men, and while being single has its advantages (read: sex), having someone who loves all of you, both physically and personally, has always been a goal for me. The problem is, though, I'm just not so sure that I can achieve that. And I realize it's not really my parents fault, but I'll just say what happened and then go from there.

My first time was pretty decent--made out, got blown, cuddled, and he stayed the night. I guess staying the night was key because it made me feel special. I actually became way infatuated with the guy, realizing two years later it was just a one-night stand. The problem was though that the guy was Australian and was on exchange at my university only for the semester. We hung out pretty consistently after then, though nothing else ever happened. I did find out on my birthday that he slept with one of his girlfriends after we had fooled around. Bummer, right? Well, needless to say, I was an emotional wreck for the next 6 months to a year. Wasn't *really* over it until two years actually. But the worst was yet to come.

My parents had pretty much guessed that I was gay. And the VERY SAME WEEKEND that I had my first gay experience, my dad was visiting and staying at the hotel on campus, which I could actually see from my dorm window. I was told that he was in town on business, but he was actually visiting a "specialist" (apparently a crackpot shrink) who told him that it was all his fault that I was gay. He saw a variety of other people about it too, and that next summer I was confronted by my mother about my sexuality. I was confused, scared, and hurt. I refused to go to Colorado Springs to a Focus on the Family psychotherapist, and I just wanted to leave. Eventually, she dropped it.

The whole next year, I was too caught up in my lingering feelings for my first time guy, and I was just paranoid and anxious about my family. That summer, both my parents confronted me about it again. This time with my dad in the ring too, it was more stressful, especially when he got me drunk at an NBA game (I was 20 at the time) and then tried to drive me to a strip club, where he wanted to hire me a hooker. Thankfully, I had sobered up after I saw him stumbling to the car in the parking lot and he said that "he wanted to show me a good time." I managed to convince him to let me drive "as long as I went where he told me to," and I just drove home. Luckily, I worked a lot of strange hours in June, went to Germany in July, and then worked at a summer camp with nice foreign boys (one of whom I became really good friends with, or so I thought...that's a completely different issue and one I've already talked about on here) in August, so I didn't really have all that much face time with my parents, and I guess they realized then that they had to meet me somewhere in the middle.

The next fall (which was last fall...2007), I was at university, but as I was studying abroad in the spring-/summertime of 2008, I was going to have three months at home. I tried my hardest to get a job, any job up east where I go to school. But I couldn't afford it, and I was told by one of my former roommates that I couldn't stay with them, even though my roommate (whom I adore) went on the line for me and said I could stay with him as long as I wanted--we were really close. When I got home, things were okay for a couple weeks. Then my dad started coming home drunk at odd hours. I didn't realize that he'd been having alcohol issues lately. I knew he had started dipping snuff again--he had stopped a year or so before but started up again recently, according to my mom because he can't deal with "it." I had pressured my mom for divorce before, and it started up again, but she's a very devout Christian who didn't think it would be right to give up on my father when he was "sick." He'd been seeing a psychiatrist who diagnosed him as depressed but then another doctor said he was bi-polar like his two sisters. A misdiagnosis (and mistreatment with the wrong drugs) could explain the recent, rather erratic behavior.

This past fall was also really my "sexual awakening," and I sort of continued it when I was in Germany this summer, but the real problem is just the effect of all this family drama. I used to get so upset about it. And now I'm a bit more hardened and don't care as much, though now I have my mother telling me I should "enjoy being home" and that it hurt her when I didn't say "it's nice to be home" when my grandmother asked me that question the other day. I wonder why I said, "It's an adjustment."

I don't know if it's the fact that I haven't really seen a successful relationship in action (my dad's had two affairs that I know of and actually left for 6 months when I was 16) or if I'm just not ready, but I can't seem to want to have sex with the same guy more than once. And to top it off, I don't really even enjoy sex. Typically, I cum 10-15 minutes (at least) after the other guy has when I fool around. And I've never gotten off from topping, and I've bottomed all of three times for the same guy (who happens to be the only guy I've had sex with more than once). While I came from bottoming, it was painful, and I don't plan on doing that any time soon. I'm just so frustrated. I'm at a point where I really need someone to be a positive influence in my life, whether it be a friend or a significant other. I'm really not averse to dating. I'm actually scared that if I did meet someone that I would screw it up because I would be so oblivious and not have sex enough. (Funny sidenote: I broke up with my one and only girlfriend at 16 because her friend told me that said gf had complained because we didn't make out enough. Maybe that was because I knew deep down I was gay, but it's still relevant maybe.)

Now that I'm 21, I suppose I actually have the opportunity to meet people in bars/clubs/wherever, but it really hasn't been the case. And sometimes, yes, I haven't been overwhelmingly confident in myself. But I really don't understand how no one could be interested. I'm actually rather attractive and have a nice body. I'm smart, and I love my friends. These attributes have actually all gotten me in trouble, so I'm just left confused and doubting. Maybe I'm crazy. The way I see it, people don't give me the benefit of the doubt. But maybe I just don't know how to go about and accomplish the simple things that other people take for granted. I've never seen a successful gay relationship, and the only seemingly close example to one is that of my "good" friend, though theirs is long-distance and I don't understand it at all. (If you're reading this, friend, that's why I asked about it.) And I know that seeking out a relationship is more than likely not going to get me one, but that's not what I'm asking for. I merely would like to know if it would even be possible. I come from a place where it's still a little taboo to be gay, and my extended family (who live in a rural area) write off distant gay cousins as jokes.

I know this isn't the typical "confused" post, but I'm really at a loss here. I've been back in the States for a little over a week, and I haven't felt lonelier. I'm in between places. My newly made friends in Germany are still there, and I haven't heard from them since I left. All my friends from home are now gone and living their own lives, and I suppose that means I have to do the same. But at every turn, I'm foiled by my parents. I know they just love me and want what's best for me (as they said when they were disapprovingly listing the hazards of being gay), but I have no idea what I want to do after university. And according to my parents (who have taken the loans out for my undergraduate), I can't take a year off to help decide. Even if I stayed home and worked. It's just not an option. So I was pressured into taking the GRE next week and the LSAT at the beginning of October. I don't feel like I'm out of my rights to refuse to do what my parents want me to do (it is my life after all), but it's also irresponsible to just leave them with $160k in debt and walk out. It is quite tempting though. There are a host of other issues involved, including my parents' theory that psychotherapy as a child made me gay, but I think what I've laid out are the foundations of my parental issues. I just don't know where to go from here. At the end of my time in Germany, I felt I was making a lot of progress (also thanks to a new friend there), but, of course, I had to leave. I'm just wondering...when's this going to turn into my life?

It means a lot just to know that someone is listening and perhaps cares just a little bit. I tried to organize this well, but it kinda just flowed out at the end, so it might be a bit convoluted. Sorry also for the length. I could just use any tips/pointers to know what to do.

Thanks a million. And I'm also a really good listener, and I've tried to give some advice and throw my two cents in some other threads, so if you need an ear, I'm here for you.

gaytxn09
 
Hey gaytxn09,
I read every word of your post. Obviously you have gone through many hardships, especially those with your parents. But you've already gone through them, and now you're 21, done or almost done with college, and will soon become financially independent. Your parents will have a lot less influence on you, and you'll have a lot more freedom to find some friends and a significant other. From your post I can tell you're level headed, independent minded, and still have a very postive mindset after all these misfortunes that life has thrown you, and I know you'll do fine in future without any of our advices. Just keep the hope and keep your eyes open. Don't fall for someone too easily, but eventually you'll find someone who's special to you and you to him. I almost lost hope of finding anyone (I guess I also wasn't really looking) during my 4 years in college, but I was lucky enough to find a great person just two months before I graduate. Can't really offer you any other advice since I'm also just 22, but good luck!
 
Going into your senior year? If it's not working with your parents it's not working. Maybe it's time to branch out and not feel guilty or criticize yourself about them. They've had too much control, as you note.
 
You sound as if you've thought this through thoroughly. I don't know, but a gay affirming counselor might help you finish ironing things out. Is that something you could find? Are you in a large enough university that you could find a GLBT group our club? What about other gay organizations or volunteer groups? These were places that I saw some of the first long-term gay relationships I'd ever encountered (at age 26). Seeing people from all walks of life in positive gay situations was a break through for me. I had grown up with solid hetro relationships, but seeing the gay versions seemed to take the impossibility out of it in my mind. If your parents continue to be an unstable force in your life you will have to remove yourself from their drama to take care of yourself. Good luck!(*8*)
 
^ Agreed. Your parents are exercising far too much control over you IMO.

Did your parents pay for your college fees on condition that you pay them back? Did your parents pay for your college fees on condition that you don't be gay?

Probably not!

No one 'owes' their parents anything - we chose to honour them and respect them but if they don't honour and respect you then it's time to either tell them what's what or else cut the strings and start living your own life.

It sounds to me that both your parents are genuinely trying their best with you but they're operating from extremely dysfunctional places both personally/individually and collectively and that can only be bad for you.

Keep your head down but stand up for yourself when necessary (chose your fights wisely) and then get out of there asap. Sometimes we need to lose contact with people and get on with our own lives and then come back to them when we're stronger as individuals.

Your parents may not have screwed you up - so far - but if you allow them to carry on this way you'll be FUBAR.

Thanks for sharing your life with us gaytxn09 (*8*)

If your parents was there to raise you, feed you, clothe you and keep a roof over your head, then you owe them at least respect for doing that for you.
 
Thanks for the thoughts guys. It's just hard in this situation. I've been thinking about separating myself for a while now, but it's not something that's easy. Or that I could do lightly. I guess all I can hope for is that the situation will get better. But that really doesn't change the pressure that's on me right now. It's like I spend all my time trying to avoid conflict with them that I don't have any time to actually spend learning about myself or trying to figure out what it is that I want.

And, believe it or not, I actually may have left something out of the first post. Basically, what I'm wondering is, did the fact that my parents rushed me out of the closet take something away from me? I feel like a lot of other people had the time to get comfortable with themselves and being gay, but I was just thrust forward and had to flounder. Like when they asked questions like "would you choose to be gay?" and "are you happy?", I honestly couldn't answer them positively because I wasn't in that point in my life. And now because of that I still have doubts. I know I can still make it and get a hold of my life, but my question is...how?
 
I read the whole thing.

1. When it comes to you sexuallity,IGNORE your parents and their silly ideas. (their trying to reason it out.) You are Genetic(ly) Programed this way it is Nobody's Fault.

2. Go to Undergraduate School. (At least your not at home.)

3. Your Parents Problems are not Your's. (Ignore the Family Drama)

4. Find a way to stay in Europe next time and start building your own life there or someplace (eastern US)else. (you won't be able to in your home town with mommy and daddy control freak drama queens around.)

5. Relationships take time,commitment, and compromise.(from both parties,not just you.)

6. Organized Religion has caused the human race alot of misery. (Ignore Mama's Christian BS.)

7. Your 21 for god's sake. Go out socialize,enjoy life. You'll meet someone one day and the 2 of you will come together like a couple of cabs on East 33nd Street and Park Ave. and,no amount of jumping on the bumpers will seperate the 2 of you.
(sounds corny,but that's life.)

* You may Love your family,but you just can't live with them(they make you crazy). Welcome to the club.*

As a 43yr old Married Bi man,I may not have all the answers,but I can draw from my own experience and that of my friends and say Your Normal,It's your Family that's F#@*ed Up.
 
Of course your parents fucked you up.

It is what they do.

But now you're an adult.

Forgive them.

Move on.

Live the kind of life that would make them proud of you as a loving human being.
 
I would also suggest that when you go out or if you meet people online, find a gay couple who have been together for a while or seem to have a good relationship. No one will be perfect, but if you find someone in their 30's or even 40's, these people can be a mentor to you and help you through some of this.

Having someone who is a little older can help provide you more guidance through the gay world than most "therapists".

It may take several tries to find the right couple (it can be someone single too), remember, most couples hang out with other couples, so you might that works.

Just a thought - good luck.

We have to learn to help our own!
 
Hey,

I just read your "life story" and it sounds VERY similar to mine. I mean litereally very close to it.

Ill offer my words of wisdom then.

I get a lot of flak from people when I say "I hate my parents" and my excuse (justified but no need to draw out a long story like OP) is they didnt love me enough. You can't really force or fake love, you either love someone or you don't. We can't get along with everybody.

I have been in and out of therapy for the past 6 years and it was only last year that the main reason I get depressed alot is my parents (aka my X-factor). The one thing you shouldn't do, is blame yourself for ALL your problems. Although I don't like to blame others for my problems, sometimes it is their fault.

I say just finish up your last year in college and move away from your family (preferably out of state). Keep in touch for a little bit and they may change. If not, they had over 22 years to love and respect you and I do not need people around me who want to control and change me.

Well, if you ever want to talk about it, feel free to PM me.
 
Is any of this helping you gaytxn09?

Just go kick back and watch some LOGO. Sordid Lives the series is pretty good for a dark comic drama.
 
Gents... this is a no flame zone... and this is an on topic discussion. It's no place for personal attacks or clashes nor is it a place to be snide or direspectful.

Please focus your energies on offering decent helpful constructive advice to the op and help keep this place the important safe place it is.

Thanks.

TG
 
Hey gaytxn09,

Mate... its time for you to look after you. Its time for you to live your life, your way, and to find the happiness that you so desperately need.

You know, your parents may have contributed to how you feel... but mate, knowing that wont change anything. The most empowering thing you can do is own your situation. This is the hand you got. Grab it. Take it by the throat, its time to be a little self centered and its time to be a little selfish.

You're trying to be the person others want you to be... even your beautiful thoughts at the bottom about wanting to listen to others even though here you have things you so desperately want answers for points to a guy whos become so used to trying to please others and be there for others hes forgotten that his own happiness.

And at a guess mate, you are crying out for someone to pay that same respect to you. To listen to you. To hold you, comfort you, and cherish you for you...just you.

But for that to happen you have to stop worrying about the whys, the reasons, and everyone else who seems to want something from you.

Its time to draw a line in the sand. What was was. Whats passed has passed.

You are an incredible guy... a guy with a huge heart, huge values and respect, amazing honesty and a spirit that will make you an incredible partner and already make you a special individual. We can see that. Anyone who cares for you and listens to you could see that.

Now you just need to see it. Because mate thats you... and thats more than enough. Its enough for anyone to trust you, take a chance on you and love you. Believe it yourself and it will happen.

Stop looking back gaytxn09... you deserve the happiness that only looking forward from here on it can bring.
 
And somehow I failed to mention that my father somehow gained access to my university email account last year and systematically read emails. Which explains why he knew things that he really shouldn't and couldn't have known!

Thanks for the advice, Tallguy. It means a lot. It's just hard because they're my parents. They're helping me pay for college. And I'm living with them at the moment. I have no money of my own. It's not so cut and dry as either I do what they want, or I don't. Which I find unfortunate...
 
I went through the same problem with my first sexual experience and my sexual awakening was out of control and somewhat disappointing. Get yourself together and enjoy life.

Just appreciate what you've been able to do, set goals for different parts of your life and go after what makes you happy. Things might have been shaky in the past, but we learn from it and get strength out of hard times. Enjoy the present and stay in control!
 
Gay Texan:

Noelie, Rareboy, and TallGuy (and others) all gave you really, really good advice. Print it out and re-read it.

Some things you could do:

1. Get a job after you're done with college and move out. Become more independent of your parents. Hang out with gay guys (or here, even). You'll feel more comfortable in your own skin. You'll forget about being unsure about being gay.

2. Does your father still think he is the source of your being gay? He might be (from his genes), but not because of anything he did. Introduce him to a non-crackpot psychiatrist. Maybe he's had 2 extra-marital flings because he's wondering about his own sexuality.

3. Educate your mother. Buy her a book or get her to go to a PFLAG meeting. Don't let her run ramrod over you.

But the best thing you can do is #1, above. Become independent (financially and otherwise) of your parents.
 
I haven't really responded much to the posts here because there really wasn't that much to say. I realize that a lot of this advice has been superb, and I didn't have to clarify myself so much as I have in other posts. It's as if y'all understand me in this sense, which I appreciate and which is also incredibly relieving. I was beginning to think no one could.

Tallguy, I emailed your response to a friend of mine (my "wife" on Facebook) because we both have the tendency to give too much of ourselves to others (typically hot men), expecting the same kind of sentiment in return, but for whatever reason it doesn't work out (I wonder why haha). We both really appreciate that wonderful advice.

My main problem now is how to accomplish all this. It's a tall order. But I hope it will all work out. I just know that I have to look forward and move on. Thanks for the help, guys. :)
 
My main problem now is how to accomplish all this. It's a tall order. But I hope it will all work out. I just know that I have to look forward and move on. Thanks for the help, guys. :)

Mate, you just do it one little step at a time. Its a journey, and changes like this dont happen quickly or in just a few days... it'll take time to change how you think and how you feel.

By all means dont cut out or alienate your parents... they will always have an important part in your life. And as you said mate financially right now you need them.

But you dont have to burden yourself under the weight of the past... things said, things done. Yes, hes read your email. Yes they've said things and know things. So dwelling on that cant change it or make it go away, its done. Your book is open and they have read it, and acted they way they thought they needed to. Sadly its weighed on you and made you think too much...

So now gaytxn09 its simply time to say... today I start a fresh. Today I start a new.

You are an incredible guy. And yes, you care so much. You do have a huge heart and people will cherish that... when you learn to cherish it yourself first. Guys dont give back to you mate in the way you give to them because for some they simply cant... and for others they are happy to let you do all the work. Its a rare thing to be so open and emotion filled, some guys will find it needy, some scary and some beautiful.

In a world where true emotion and honesty sometimes are pushed to the side for the sake of appearances and some quick fun, you have to understand that your gifts are incredible, valuable and rare. You have to have faith in those things shining through no matter who you are with or where you are. Theres no need to make yourself so vulnerable so quickly, theres no need to please others all the time... not until you are convinced they are WORTHY OF YOU.

Value yourself mate. Value the things you bring to any relationship or freindship. Ironically its your past that has made you so deteremined to be different (so thats actually somehtng to thank your parents for!) but you have beleive that there are only a few people out there who really are worth seeing the whole loving giving you.

Not everyone deserves it, so while you grow and learn to respect and love who you are, pick carefully who you give yourself too... you are sharing the most personal intimate parts of you... thats a gift not something worthless... trust in yourself and value who you are. Because anyone with even half a brain will see how special a guy you are... and when you finally grab that yourself then you will truly find the happiness you deserve.
 
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