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Did the Power Company murder this man?

I hope the people in this thread who said it was all the old man's fault wouldn't be of the kind to go trekking in the wild and count on a host of helicopters, ambulances, firemen and policemen go rescue them when someone goes wrong.
 
I don't think anyone is to blame in this situation. The utility was treating a case of nonpayment like it does every other case.

It's tragic either way.

To be honest, I don't think the man should have been living by himself the way his neighbors have described him. Of course, that's a whole different topic about how would he pay for care, etc.

Too gray, I think.
 
Lukeee said:
If a man in a similar situation had gone to a restaurant every day and left without paying the bill then been banned and died a week later from starvation would you blame the restaurant staff ?

That is the way I see it.

It is a shame he died & work needs to be done to help people in those situations but I don't blame the company.

(*8*)
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IF he had gone to a restaurant every day and left without paying his bill (attributable to dementia) and didnt come back again I think the staff would have gone to his home. I have heard of stories like that.
 
I can't believe the number of heartless people posting on this thread. Everyone needs help in one way or another at some points in their life.
 
BlackWolf said:
If he had called the company, they would usually give you an extension on payment, prob go through some alt. payment options etc.

And really, the electric company will CALL your house looking for their money, so he really just had to pick up the phone.
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No they would sent him a letter stating that they were sending his unpaid bill to a collection agency
 
honestly people he was 93 years old.. he was well past his expiration date anyway.. what matters if it was yesterday or today. It was going to happen soon enough anyway.

Where were his family anyway? They should be the ones responsible for him not the electric company.
 
Heartless and greedy.
Nobody, I don't care if you're a 300 year old vegetable, deserves to freeze to death in their own home.
That is terrible. Downright disgusts me.
I would have paid the man's electric bill, and I think about 90% of America would have done the same if simply aware.

Unreal.
 
OK, I've cleaned up some of the mess in this thread. Now, as to the facts. It is true that Mr, Schur died of hypothermia. He was 93 and suffered some degree of dementia. The electric company, owned by the government, not a private company, had installed a limiter that would allow the operation of the heater, but not much more. It either failed, or had been tripped and Mr. Schur did not reset it.

We know that Mr. Schur was seriously behind on his bill to the tune of $1000. We really don't know if he had family and or friends to check on him. He did have neighbors, who apparently did not. It is not known if he had reached out to any of the social service agencies in the area, or not.

I've gotten a degree of satisfaction from seeing posters, apparently unaware that the utility was owned by the government, proclaiming that we should socialize public utilities.

Well, the government ran this utility. Charles M. Brunner is the mayor of Bay City. Yet I've not seen anyone demanding Mr. Brunner's head atop a pike. In fact, he'll most likely continue on in his position as mayor.

The bottom line is that you can't rely on anybody but yourself. If you think government is going to save you, think again. This death, while tragic isn't the fault of anybody.
 
jackoroe said:
OK, I've cleaned up some of the mess in this thread. Now, as to the facts. It is true that Mr, Schur died of hypothermia. He was 93 and suffered some degree of dementia. The electric company, owned by the government, not a private company, had installed a limiter that would allow the operation of the heater, but not much more. It either failed, or had been tripped and Mr. Schur did not reset it.

We know that Mr. Schur was seriously behind on his bill to the tune of $1000. We really don't know if he had family and or friends to check on him. He did have neighbors, who apparently did not. It is not known if he had reached out to any of the social service agencies in the area, or not.

I've gotten a degree of satisfaction from seeing posters, apparently unaware that the utility was owned by the government, proclaiming that we should socialize public utilities.

Well, the government ran this utility. Charles M. Brunner is the mayor of Bay City. Yet I've not seen anyone demanding Mr. Brunner's head atop a pike. In fact, he'll most likely continue on in his position as mayor.

The bottom line is that you can't rely on anybody but yourself. If you think government is going to save you, think again. This death, while tragic isn't the fault of anybody.
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What you wrote above "the bottom line" looks fine but, still, the belief you stated in that "bottom line" about nobody being able to rely on anybody but oneself doesn't prevent you, I suppose, from paying federal taxes to a government supposedly in charge of taking care of you to some extent, and paying for the bread and butter other people care to put at your disposal.
 
belamy said:
I hope the people in this thread who said it was all the old man's fault wouldn't be of the kind to go trekking in the wild and count on a host of helicopters, ambulances, firemen and policemen go rescue them when someone goes wrong.
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It's their job to rescue people. Thats the whole point of them, it is not the job of an electric company to keep your lights on when you don't pay your bill.

If everyone didn't pay their bill, but the electric company still had to keep the power on, eventually no one would be having power cause they'd be too broke to keep the shit running. They still gotta pay their workers and pay for upkeep afterall.
 
BlackWolf said:
It's their job to rescue people. Thats the whole point of them, it is not the job of an electric company to keep your lights on when you don't pay your bill.

If everyone didn't pay their bill, but the electric company still had to keep the power on, eventually no one would be having power cause they'd be too broke to keep the shit running. They still gotta pay their workers and pay for upkeep afterall.
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Ah, ok, that's right: it's only that I thought you had meant "it shouldn't be anybody's job".
So we only need to pay someone to care for the well-being of old doddering farts, just like we pay people to risk their lives to take care of the ass part of dumbasses.
 
It's definitely a shame that this happened. Obviously the man must have suffered from some serious diminished capacity. It's sad that someone had not noticed this and caused the appropriate social services to be involved.

I do not hold the electric company responsible for his death. He was seriously past due and they still provided him with some electric for minimal usage. There is still much that we don't know. Did the limiter work properly, did the heat source work properly, etc. It's all very unfortunate. Hopefully this incident will lead to a better way to deal with such situations involving senior citizens.

I sure hope that there is not some family member who files a wrongful death lawsuit. If they didn't care enough about his well being while he was alive, they certainly shouldn't profit from his death.
 
lurchinurchin said:
All these posts over a story that is totally false. Check with bay city - the story was created from an editorial at the paper and blew out of proportion. I'm amazed that this thread didn't die already no pun intended.
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Does that mean it could have never have happened?
 
belamy said:
Ah, ok, that's right: it's only that I thought you had meant "it shouldn't be anybody's job".
So we only need to pay someone to care for the well-being of old doddering farts, just like we pay people to risk their lives to take care of the ass part of dumbasses.
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Well, yes. There are people who's job it is to take care of old people and government programs where these people go and help old people.
 
BlackWolf said:
Well, yes. There are people who's job it is to take care of old people and government programs where these people go and help old people.
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You know I didn't mean exactly that because that wouldn't have helped the case in question here.
 
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