Did you know you can get AIDS just by letting someone suck your dick or rim you?

[RonR18]

I knew you could get AIDS by sucking dicks, but I wasn't previously aware that it was possible to contract it by letting an HIV carrier with gum disease, etc., suck your dick or lick your anus. What about you... did you know? Here's what the CDC says about it:

If You Let Someone Suck Your Dick Or Rim You:

"Yes, it is possible to become infected with HIV through receiving oral sex,"

"While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex."

"If the person performing oral sex has HIV, blood from their mouth may enter the body of the person receiving oral sex through

the lining of the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis);
the lining of the anus; or
directly into the body through small cuts or open sores."

If You Suck Someone Else's Dick:

"If the person receiving oral sex has HIV, their semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum), may contain the virus. Cells lining the mouth of the person performing oral sex may allow HIV to enter their body.

The risk of HIV transmission increases

if the person performing oral sex has cuts or sores around or in their mouth or throat;
if the person receiving oral sex ejaculates in the mouth of the person performing oral sex; or
if the person receiving oral sex has another sexually transmitted disease (STD)."

"Studies have shown that latex condoms are very effective, though not perfect, in preventing HIV transmission when used correctly and consistently."

These were just excerpts... for the full details click the following link:

Source: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm

The moral of the story is that unless you're the type of dick sucker who doesn't bother with seat-belts when you're driving, learn to like the taste of condoms. And of course, tell anyone who wants to suck your dick that a condom covered dick in their mouth is better than no dick at all. Because you obviously never know who has HIV, even if they say they tested negative last month.

 

[Fire]

Duh?..................

 

[canesnbeach]

I realize hysterics tend to have a short attention span, so I'll go ahead and give you some bullet points for easier reading.

-there are less than a dozen cases in the entire medical literature where infection has been conclusively proven to have originated from oral sex.

-epidemiologists who review the data, tend to agree that for those few cases where infection occurred, there were extenuating circumstances (bleeding gums, high viral load in semen, etc).

-glycoproteins in saliva are extremely efficient anti-retroviral agents.

-oral sex carries only a THEORETICAL probability of infection.

-there's also a theoretical probability you'll get killed by a deer in the next few days. In fact, the odds are higher.

-Use common sense: if oral sex were a viable mechanism for transmission, then the number of infected individuals would be double or triple what it is now, since oral sex is by far the most common sexual activity.

-I used to be hysterical about this as well, but then I started med school Nothing like information to ease your mind.

 

[Críostóir]

You can get hit by a meteor too.

It's not something to worry about.

Neither is getting HIV by receiving oral sex.

 

[navigaytion]

Thank you for posting this information. Everyone should be concerned about their disgusting, reckless sexual habits. Gay men especially...for reasons that should be obvious.

 

[yummylongsword]

You can get hit by a meteor too.

It's not something to worry about.

Neither is getting HIV by receiving oral sex.

That's not to say that there aren't plenty of STIs you can get easily from having oral sex. HIV just isn't one of them. Beware the herps!

 

[Críostóir]

AND you can do everything right, use a condom every time, carefully select your partners, have sex only in a monogamous relationship, and never ever get an STI at all...

...and then get a cancer for which you have no known risk factors. For no reason. Because that's life.

 

[Serenx55]

I realize hysterics tend to have a short attention span, so I'll go ahead and give you some bullet points for easier reading.

-there are less than a dozen cases in the entire medical literature where infection has been conclusively proven to have originated from oral sex.

-epidemiologists who review the data, tend to agree that for those few cases where infection occurred, there were extenuating circumstances (bleeding gums, high viral load in semen, etc).

-glycoproteins in saliva are extremely efficient anti-retroviral agents.

-oral sex carries only a THEORETICAL probability of infection.

-there's also a theoretical probability you'll get killed by a deer in the next few days. In fact, the odds are higher.

-Use common sense: if oral sex were a viable mechanism for transmission, then the number of infected individuals would be double or triple what it is now, since oral sex is by far the most common sexual activity.

-I used to be hysterical about this as well, but then I started med school Nothing like information to ease your mind.

Thank you.

 

[diamondstar]

Well I just learned something.

 

[navigaytion]

At first I was like this because I thought the bolded part was some try at humor:

Then I realized it wasn't:

I'm glad you've got it all worked out, dear. It's important that you understand how you feel.

 

[Críostóir]

At first I was like this because I thought the bolded part was some try at humor:

Then I realized it wasn't:

No, it really isn't. I often wonder why someone who is disgusted by everything gay men do, especially pornography, is here at all.

just a quick correction of the thread name - you can't get AIDS, you can be infected with HIV.

Good point. Very few people (in developed countries) infected with HIV progress to AIDS these days, because of the treatment regimens that have been developed.

 

[RonR18]

Yes. And did you know that these sex-related infection risks have to be measured in units of 10,000 separate sex acts with a confirmed infected partner to be expressed as whole numbers?

You even have a ten percent chance of not contracting HIV if you are injected with confirmed tainted blood!

RE: "Yes. And did you know that these sex-related infection risks have to be measured in units of 10,000 separate sex acts with a confirmed infected partner to be expressed as whole numbers?"

What is your source for this data? Because as indicated above, the CDC states, "no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is." So if what you say is correct, then the CDC is lying.

RE: "You even have a ten percent chance of not contracting HIV if you are injected with confirmed tainted blood!"

Would you let even one confirmed HIV infected partner perform oral sex on you without a condom if you knew he had gum disease? And would you be willing to perform unprotected oral sex on him if you knew his semen contained a high viral load?

I realize hysterics tend to have a short attention span, so I'll go ahead and give you some bullet points for easier reading.

-there are less than a dozen cases in the entire medical literature where infection has been conclusively proven to have originated from oral sex.

-epidemiologists who review the data, tend to agree that for those few cases where infection occurred, there were extenuating circumstances (bleeding gums, high viral load in semen, etc).

-glycoproteins in saliva are extremely efficient anti-retroviral agents.

-oral sex carries only a THEORETICAL probability of infection.

-there's also a theoretical probability you'll get killed by a deer in the next few days. In fact, the odds are higher.

-Use common sense: if oral sex were a viable mechanism for transmission, then the number of infected individuals would be double or triple what it is now, since oral sex is by far the most common sexual activity.

-I used to be hysterical about this as well, but then I started med school Nothing like information to ease your mind.

RE: "-there are less than a dozen cases in the entire medical literature where infection has been conclusively proven to have originated from oral sex."

Since conclusively proving an HIV infection originated from oral sex would be extremely difficult, common sense dictates the actual number of infections from oral sex is considerably higher. Especially since, "75 percent of the population suffer from gum disease in various degrees of severity."
Source: http://www.saveyoursmile.com/healthygums/overview.html

RE: "-epidemiologists who review the data, tend to agree that for those few cases where infection occurred, there were extenuating circumstances (bleeding gums)."

Yep, I indicated in my opening post that the HIV carrier would have to have gum disease in order to pose a risk to the person he's performing oral sex on. But also, he could have traces of sperm in his mouth from having performed oral sex on other partners before he started on you. For example, a sex addict at a gay bathhouse may give blowjobs to a dozen different men in one night, and have high viral loads of semen in his mouth after the first 2 guys he sucked, who were HIV positive.

RE: "-glycoproteins in saliva are extremely efficient anti-retroviral agents."

So, I take it that you'd be comfortable performing oral sex on a confirmed HIV infected partner without a condom, even if you knew his semen contained a high viral load?

RE: "-oral sex carries only a THEORETICAL probability of infection."

Huh? You've already stated there's a dozen cases of HIV infection that have been "conclusively proven to have originated from oral sex." So what's "theoretical" about those dozen cases?

RE: "-there's also a theoretical probability you'll get killed by a deer in the next few days. In fact, the odds are higher."

Which is why I'm always on the lookout for deer when driving in certain areas. I even watch for drunk pedestrians who are prone to stepping in front of moving vehicles.

RE: "-Use common sense: if oral sex were a viable mechanism for transmission, then the number of infected individuals would be double or triple what it is now, since oral sex is by far the most common sexual activity."

But again, common sense dictates the actual rate of infection from oral sex is much higher than the number you quoted, due to the degree of difficulty in proving conclusively how people are infected.

RE: "-I used to be hysterical about this as well, but then I started med school Nothing like information to ease your mind."

Haha, I'm not "hysterical" about it in any sense of the word. I realize the risk of contracting HIV from blowjobs is extremely low, but that doesn't mean precautions aren't justified. I blow money in the lottery all the time, even though I know the possibility of winning the jackpot are astronomical.

You can get hit by a meteor too.

It's not something to worry about.

Neither is getting HIV by receiving oral sex.

I was going to ask you:

"Would you let even one confirmed HIV infected partner perform oral sex on you without a condom if you knew he had gum disease? And would you be willing to perform unprotected oral sex on him if you knew his semen contained a high viral load?"

But I already know what your answer would be. And every once in a while, I do worry about a meteor crashing through my roof and cracking my skull open like an egg.

That's not to say that there aren't plenty of STIs you can get easily from having oral sex. HIV just isn't one of them. Beware the herps!

Although it's not considered "easy" to contract HIV from oral sex, the possibility still exists, and thus precautions are warranted for people who would rather be safe than sorry. And in addition to herpes, "Research has suggested that performing unprotected oral sex on a person infected with human papillomavirus (HPV) might increase the risk of oral or throat cancer."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen

AND you can do everything right, use a condom every time, carefully select your partners, have sex only in a monogamous relationship, and never ever get an STI at all...

...and then get a cancer for which you have no known risk factors. For no reason. Because that's life.

And you can die from any number of other causes as well, but that obviously doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions in order to protect yourself from as many different things as possible.

Tell that to THEM!

Funny you should mention that, because as far asteroids and comets are concerned, "NASA has only tracked an estimated 1 percent of all the space rocks out there and they need way more funding to find the rest."
Source: http://news.discovery.com/space/if-youre-worried-about-asteroids-dont-read-this-110301.html

Good point. Very few people (in developed countries) infected with HIV progress to AIDS these days, because of the treatment regimens that have been developed.

Hmm, but aren't the side effects from the daily cocktail of drugs bad enough to make you wish you had taken precautions during oral sex? And what about people who don't have health insurance, how do HIV infected patients rate free treatment when their condition is not life-threatening at the time of diagnosis? After all, uninsured patients are sent home to die from treatable cancer on a routine basis.

 

[Críostóir]

Ron, the risk of getting HIV from oral sex is TOO SMALL TO WORRY ABOUT. If you don't worry about being struck by lightning, and you're not dumb enough to play the lottery (you're more likely to get hit by lightning than to win the lottery, actually), then don't worry about unprotected oral sex (from an HIV standpoint).

Trying to get people scared about it undermines safe (anal) sex efforts, because they start to think it's all nonsense.

I actually wonder if you can transmit HIV when you're on the cocktail. There are strong political reasons to claim you can, so I doubt what comes from e.g. GMHC on this. If you have an undetectable viral load (and that means a lot less virus than it did 10 years ago, because we're better at detecting it), how can you have enough in sperm to infect someone? Seems unlikely.

 

[Críostóir]

AND you can do everything right, use a condom every time, carefully select your partners, have sex only in a monogamous relationship, and never ever get an STI at all...

...and then get a cancer for which you have no known risk factors. For no reason. Because that's life.

And you can die from any number of other causes as well, but that obviously doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions in order to protect yourself from as many different things as possible.

But spending your energy on high-probability risks makes the most sense. We all have to triage a little, since no one has infinite energy.

And the fewer things you WORRY about the better! Stress is a big killer too. And I'm sorry, I'd rather skip the sex than suck on a dick I can't even taste, or that tastes like latex or polyurethane. Forget it!

And I speak from personal experience on the cancer thing.

 

[mbamike]

Having sex with multiple partners is about managing the risks associated with suck activities. To be 100% safe, one would have to remain celibate or jack off alone. Personally, that is not for me.

 

[RonR18]

Yes. And did you know that these sex-related infection risks have to be measured in units of 10,000 separate sex acts with a confirmed infected partner to be expressed as whole numbers?

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5402a1.htm#tab1

Since the source of that obscure data is the CDC, I now understand why they tell the public a different story. Because the stats you quoted from them is based on the same type of "flawed" data canesnbeach posted regarding the dozen cases of HIV infection that have been "conclusively proven to have originated from oral sex."

In other words, proving that large numbers of HIV infections originated from oral sex would be next to impossible, so common sense dictates the actual number of infections is considerably higher than the 12 "proven" cases. And this is undoubtedly why the CDC tells the public "no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is."

Good point. Very few people (in developed countries) infected with HIV progress to AIDS these days, because of the treatment regimens that have been developed.

"Jun 8, 2011 – Because of delays in seeking HIV tests, one-third of people with HIV are diagnosed so late that they develop AIDS within a year."

Source: http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011/06/Many-with-HIV-dont-know-they-have-it/48171302/1

Ron, the risk of getting HIV from oral sex is TOO SMALL TO WORRY ABOUT. If you don't worry about being struck by lightning, and you're not dumb enough to play the lottery (you're more likely to get hit by lightning than to win the lottery, actually), then don't worry about unprotected oral sex (from an HIV standpoint).

Trying to get people scared about it undermines safe (anal) sex efforts, because they start to think it's all nonsense.

I actually wonder if you can transmit HIV when you're on the cocktail. There are strong political reasons to claim you can, so I doubt what comes from e.g. GMHC on this. If you have an undetectable viral load (and that means a lot less virus than it did 10 years ago, because we're better at detecting it), how can you have enough in sperm to infect someone? Seems unlikely.

RE: "Ron, the risk of getting HIV from oral sex is TOO SMALL TO WORRY ABOUT. If you don't worry about being struck by lightning, and you're not dumb enough to play the lottery (you're more likely to get hit by lightning than to win the lottery, actually), then don't worry about unprotected oral sex (from an HIV standpoint)."

But I do worry about being struck by lightning, and I'm definitely dumb enough to play the lottery. The house next door to me was struck by lightning last year, and I won $1,000 from the lottery once.

RE: "Trying to get people scared about it undermines safe (anal) sex efforts, because they start to think it's all nonsense."

Huh? I'm not trying to get people scared about it, I'm just the messenger presenting facts for people to decide for themselves whether to take precautions, which is no different than what the CDC does.

RE: "I actually wonder if you can transmit HIV when you're on the cocktail. There are strong political reasons to claim you can, so I doubt what comes from e.g. GMHC on this. If you have an undetectable viral load (and that means a lot less virus than it did 10 years ago, because we're better at detecting it), how can you have enough in sperm to infect someone? Seems unlikely."

I'm more concerned with the HIV carriers who haven't been diagnosed yet, as well as the uninsured ones who can't afford the expensive drug cocktail, or who have stopped taking it due to the terrible side effects.

"Experts at the Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention (CDC) have long estimated that 20% of people infected with HIV don't know it."

"There are tens of thousands of people in the U.S. who are diagnosed late, sometimes too late to save their lives, and certainly too late to help them avoid transmission to others."

Source: http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011/06/Many-with-HIV-dont-know-they-have-it/48171302/1

But spending your energy on high-probability risks makes the most sense. We all have to triage a little, since no one has infinite energy.

And the fewer things you WORRY about the better! Stress is a big killer too. And I'm sorry, I'd rather skip the sex than suck on a dick I can't even taste, or that tastes like latex or polyurethane. Forget it!

RE: "But spending your energy on high-probability risks makes the most sense. We all have to triage a little, since no one has infinite energy."

Hmm, I have all the time and energy I need to take precautions against the risks that concern me. And slipping a condom on my penis takes very little energy.

RE: "And the fewer things you WORRY about the better! Stress is a big killer too."

I agree, which is why I take precautions against all the risks that concern me, because the stress from being unprotected from them would worry me to death.

RE: "And I'm sorry, I'd rather skip the sex than suck on a dick I can't even taste, or that tastes like latex or polyurethane. Forget it!"

But you like cherry pie, right? What if I smeared a handful of delicious cherry pie all over my big condom covered dick... wouldn't that be too tempting to resist putting in your mouth? And after you sucked all the pie off and licked it clean, I could apply another handful of pie on it for you to start all over. This way you could have the cock and eat the pie too! If you say the pie wouldn't sway you, I won't believe you, because my homemade cherry pie has won awards. As well, with my extremely cute face added to the mix, your head would be putty in my hands.

 

[Críostóir]

Ron, sweet, I'd rather eat the pie and suck your bare dick. I'll show you my certification of negative HIV test beforehand. And if you don't believe me when I haven't had sex a window period before the test, then (with so little trust in my word) you probably shouldn't be having sex with me at all.

Or even giving me pie.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

~there is a 1 and 1,000 chance that the Cumbre Vieja volcano on the island of La Palma, in the Canary Islands will blow in the next 100 yrs destroying the east coast of North America, Caribbean. and South American coast down to Brazil due to mega Tsunami.

~ there is a 1 and 3,200 chance that a part of a 6 ton satellite falling back to Earth later this week will bonk someone on the head killing them.

 

[canesnbeach]

Ron, HIV isn't the problem, your perception of it is.

Based on what you've written so far, I gather this is something that weighs on your mind. I also believe there's nothing any of us can say to convince you that the risks associated with oral sex are so small as to be almost negligible. You seem to be extremely selective about what type of information you deem sufficiently accurate. It's classic confirmation bias. You seem to only assimilate data that conforms to your fears and predispositions.

I know from experience how destructive that attitude can be. I can relate to whatever issues you're working through in regards to HIV. When I was in my early 20s, I was the exact same way. Even sought counseling for it, which didn't help much. And btw, to answer your questions, I HAVE performed oral sex on someone who, at the time, I thought was HIV negative. He wasn't. And I didn't get infected. Back then I thought I was simply lucky, but now I know luck had nothing to do with it. It was all a matter of statistical probability, which skew heavily towards non-infection.

What finally got me over HIV phobia was information. Some things, like scientific fact, aren't really up for debate. Before I started school, HIV was an 'alien' disease, the proverbial boogeyman. But I found that the more I learned about it, about what it does and doesn't do, the less afraid of it I became.

Maybe the same will be true for you?

 

[mygaybuffet]

Yes. And did you know that these sex-related infection risks have to be measured in units of 10,000 separate sex acts with a confirmed infected partner to be expressed as whole numbers?

You even have a ten percent chance of not contracting HIV if you are injected with confirmed tainted blood!

That's definitely reassuring!