Different levels of "GAY"

[TaigaStar]

am I really a troublemaker? Sheesh at least your Honest...I don't even think this guy is bi.


(I bet this thread is going to get locked)

You know, it had potential at the beginning, though.

 

[Andreus]

there are a few guys who have answered you that are straight and a few that are bi...

so don't think that the response here is gay based

you are getting a rather universal answer that your attempt to find the gray area seems a bit...

well

shady

 

[james1200]

this popcorn is kinda stale effortless...**sigh**, i'll just make my own!

"this guy" is definitely not bi...i'm bi, i know bi people and he sir is no bisexual! but he is one of i estimate at least 100 self loathing republican homos on JUB...i fight with them in current events all the time...there are three things they like....1) bush (not the vagina kind...the political kind) 2) "family values" and 3) pretending they're bisexual while they get gang-banged bareback while snorting cocaine and crystal meth at their log cabin republican meeting about family values.

 

[Riverrick]

Ok, a previous thread inspired me to create this one. I've been called a "self hating homo" and "closet case" yada yada yada....

.... BUT, for sexual gratification only, I like to mess around with dudes, no strings attached. I guess you could call it a fetish.

So does that make me a "closet case" and a "self hating homo"? ....

I think all of the posts have been ON TOPIC. These are your quotes. You asked for comments on your behavior and for people's opinions about you.

So its open season.

I hate it when people try to limit the the topic in their thread after they don't like the replies they are getting.

 

[Andreus]

while they get gang-banged bareback while snorting cocaine and crystal meth at their log cabin republican meeting about family values.

i think i have that video

the title is the republican national convention of 2004, i believe

lol

and as much as it pains me, i have to agree with your assesment.

I know many bi guys, and they have no shame in their game. they don't try to explain it away.

 

[Andreus]

no, its when someone can give an answer that doesnt contain name calling and stays on topic.

ehh

i havent called you a name and i have stayed on topic

you just don't care for my answer

you are ignoring the answer that there is no degree of gayness

maybe affectation and behavior, but that has NOTHING to do with sexual identity

absolutely nothing

 

[james1200]

ixnay on the cylonay...too geekyay...

 

[Kurn]

I hate to admit it, but I agree with Soilwork.

I agree with Antares who agrees with Soilwork.

But, in your favor, so many people need to WAKE UP.
People don't need to stay babies.
Tha's what so much of fukkin' "traditional morality" is about.
Why do children need the edification of traditional lies???
Who really needs to be told that it's much nicer for your resumé if you stand in the straight and normal line??
Actually people need to be told that it's fake.
I hope you get married and have lots of little Surfers and that they in turn have Surf-grandchildren.
But leave the fake-stuff out of your child-rearing curriculum.

I should also point out that you probably feel the way that you do because it reflects YOUR experience. This is another point in your favor.
But it is completely NOT in your favor that you expect everyone else's experience to be like yours. WELL I'm hooked into that passage that Soilwork quoted----but your question was about "degrees" and, well, sure, that's the way it is.
But should the convenient facts of the universe be used for our convenience when there are other facts that are not so convenient?
That's what sooo many people are doing these days. Is dishonesty ever a good policy for very long?

 

[TaigaStar]

I don't knwo many people that would have sex just because they're bored.


"Straight" Guy 1: Man I'm so bored.

"Straight" Guy 2: Me too....

"Straight" Guy 1: Dude I know! Sit on my hard cock and ride it like a little bitch!

"Straight" Guy 2: OMIGAWD! THAT'S A KILLER IDEA! LET ME PUT ON MY TORI AMOS MIX TAPE!

Amusing though that is (it does probably go on in locker rooms...), I think SurfBoy is actually referring to having sex with other men that are bi or gay when he is bored (meaning between heterosexual relationships). At this point, any levels of gayness would fall under the category of being a closeted bisexual.

 

[james1200]

uhhh...surfboy has a thread in bisexual guys or one of those forums where he talks about how much he likes those pay cam sites and he talks about how he loves ordering these guys on there to degrade themselves (his words) by not moving til he tells them to move or eating their cum, etc...now, i only took psych 101 in college but this is someone who doesn't particularly like himself or what he is and is taking it out on others? right???...do i get an A?

 

[TaigaStar]

uhhh...surfboy has a thread in bisexual guys or one of those forums where he talks about how much he likes those pay cam sites and he talks about how he loves ordering these guys on there to degrade themselves (his words) by not moving til he tells them to move or eating their cum, etc...now, i only took psych 101 in college but this is someone who doesn't particularly like himself or what he is and is taking it out on others? right???...do i get an A?

Regardless, this thread isn't about surfboy's psychological foibles. While this discussion slowly spirals downward, we should still keep in mind that this deviates from the original topic.

 

[james1200]

"When you watch someone on cam, what do you like to see them do? Or make them do?

I personally love finding a hot young one that looks like theyre new and totally degrading them. Funny thing is, they go along with it. Yah Im paying a few bucks, but theyre totally degrading themselves for peanuts. Im saving the session so its like "custom made porn" for 10 bucks. Can't beat that.

First, I make them stand up fully clothed and look directly into the camera and tell me their full name, first and last. Then I ask them to tell me all about themselves - where they're from, hobbies, about family, what they want to be when theyre out of college, etc. (This makes it much more personable and make the hot action later that much more intense).

Then I tell them to either do a strip tease or dance or anything sexy while taking off their clothes. I make them stand hands on hips completely naked and looking directly into the camera. This can be extremely humiliating for them, as a lot of guys cant stand being so vulnerable and viewable when soft. Then we talk some more, and they cant move until I say so. (me a control freak? nahhhh )

Then I make them get nasty. Ass2Mouth with a dildo jackoff and eat their own cum, everything and anything I can think of. Then as a grand finale, I make them put their face really close to the camera, so I have a whole face shot (sometimes they still have cum dripping from their lips)....and make them say "SurfBoy, I love being your personal web cam slut. I love sucking your cock and drinking your cum. You own me."

I think I have a collection of about 14 guys already with that scenario. Best of all, on average, I think the most I ever paid was like 28 bucks because it was super long. Each one is a personalized porn video jsut for meeeee. I love it!

Its very hard to find realllly hot guys that will do that for free, occassionally you'll find a hottie on yahoo thats super horny but I dont have the patience to search and wait around. When Im hard I want it nowwwwww."
http://justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124120

that was surfboy...here's the link...does this sound like someone who likes chicks??? bisexual my ass!!! we bisexuals have enough problems with people on JUB without closet cases who hate women giving the soilworks ammo...

 

[MidnightPrism]

Regardless, this thread isn't about surfboy's psychological foibles. While this discussion slowly spirals downward, we should still keep in mind that this deviates from the original topic.

I don't think it deviates at all. It is a more in depth analysis of whether levels exist and which level SurfBoy is in

 

[james1200]

hmmm...likes chicks you say??? tell me...is the following surfboy or mark foley?

http://justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124120
"I was actually looking for new ideas. I really enjoy humbling or degrading a chathost, making them feel vulnerable. And nothing beats having them talk dirty and saying your name. Not something you can buy in a store. I've tried making them do just about anything. Need some new *hot* ideas. Come on help me out...i know you boys are kinky too."

"Just tried something new. I told him to pretend hes a student and Im school guidance counseler. He had to walk into the room, introduce himself, and try to seduce me. Start out being friendly, make some hints here and there, and eventually get down n dirty. I liked it. I played hard to get, and he really came after me good. I love the live role playing stuff.....its like a virtual reality XXX video game lol."

 

[james1200]

oh give it up...you don't like pussy at all. it's not like anyone knows you here so why are you lying??...you're so bad at it...you're way too into guys and kinky gay sex to be bi...

 

[bma1983]

Just a fetish man to pass the time in between chicks. Helps when youre home alone single, horny. Its usually with a select few I know that practice safe sex - definitely no strangers. Thing is, when I have a gf, I dont even think about it.

Reducing men (or even women) to a fetish is insulting, at least to me.

 

[Swellegant]

To try and answer the question without getting too involved in SurfBoy18's particular history (which I don't even pretend to understand, though I am trying), the degrees and lines between straight and bi and gay are, for most practical purposes, drawn by the individual for him- or herself.

For example, if you say you're bisexual, and you define bisexuality as a largely heterosexual practice spiced up by a fetishy sideline in homosexuality, then you would draw the line wherever you saw fit. It's quite possibly very common, but it's not what I would call a traditional orientation, in that it cannot be defined very easily. You say you're bisexual, so I'll agree that you're bisexual, because "largely heterosexual with a fetishy sideline in homosexuality" is a little too long to put on your business-cards.

I wouldn't presume to draw that line for you, because I have my own ideas and lines that I have drawn for myself, and wouldn't want people telling me where I have to draw them.

However, if you invited me to come up with a word, it probably wouldn't be a very nice one, because I find it distasteful to objectify people in the manner you've described. Fetishes are all well and good, I'm all for role-playing and exotic clothes and whatnot; but when you fetishize a whole person, by his gender or her ethnicity or its physical size, you've crossed a line that I think is dangerous and wrong to cross.

But that's neither here nor there (I am only using your example, SurfBoy18, because you started the thread and thereby essentially invited critique). I cannot make those definitions for you because they are based in my experience and not in yours. We can learn from each-others' experiences, but we are ultimately left to our own devices in creating our own reality.

Anyway, instead of having to wear complicated labels that show our USRDA percentages and Kinsey ratings and peferred practices, we are left with the rather shallow GLBTQ(etc) ratings that are too simplified to be entirely true for everyone. So we have to decide what label we're going to wear. If you want to be straight, despite your attraction to men, then go ahead and be straight; if you think you're bisexual, be bisexual, and if you think you might be gay, go right ahead and be gay. Calling yourself straight or gay doesn't necessarily mean that your sexual attractions are 100% pure to one sex or the other... almost all of us lie somewhere in between in that great gray area, and we have to choose which gradation of gray we want to sit on.

I only hope that people spend some serious time thinking about why they chose that label. I mean, I knew when I was a teenager that I could get it up for a woman, and could have pursued life as a bisexual, or maybe even fooled myself into temporary heterosexuality, but I chose gay because that is the identity that resonated for me. I liked men waaaaay more, so that's where I went.

I also sincerely hope that that they'll fucking well stick to it after they've chosen it. I don't like to hear about people getting married and having a passel of brats while still cruising around for cheap dehumanized sex with men and surfing the net for male porn. When you make your bed, lie in it; and when there's another person in that bed with you (like a wife, or a husband, or a lover, or children, or a dog for that matter), they should know exactly what that bed is made of... because he or she should have the right to get out if they don't like it.

For example, do your girlfriends know that you have sex with guys? That you watch man-on-man or solo-male porn? Do you think they should? Why or why not? It's my feeling that, if you're going to use the label "bisexual," you need to be open about that with whatever partners of whatever gender you get intimate with. Otherwise you're a closet case.

I guess I'm done. Not that I expect anybody read this far.

 

[Andreus]

Ive had gf's all my life. I love girls and always will. Why do gay guys get so pissed that I like chicks too? lol Yeah, I think messing around w/ dudes is hot...everyone here does. It doesnt mean you'd date one.

oh jeez

arent you the guy who started a thread saying that you accepted jesus as your lord and savior and had given up dick entirely? You rerouted your cam link to the site that converts gays to straights for a while.

and you changed your mind and came back....now it seems you are trying to work it out again... and i can tell you... if you are attracted to men it isn't going to go away. it wont get easier until you surrender to it, and just stop fighting who you really are.

see

when you hang out here a while we get to know you

that is both good and bad

each word you type contributes to a body of work and in time we can begin to understand more subtle nuances of your intented meanings than you seem to think we can. like any group of friends, it becomes harder to BS when you get a history going.

i am beginning to feel a bit played. Either you have some serious demons in there or you are trying to convert us.

neither endeavor is going to feel very good for you personally, so you may want to reconsider what you are doing with your life.

we are happy with ourselves by and large, and you can either draw courage from that or get angry at yourself for not having the courage to just be who you are.

there is no level of gayness. you either are or you arent.

Bisexuality is a different animal entirely, as is straight. acting certain ways has nothing to do with preference. Gyas come in all affectations and manners.

i hope you make peace with this soon.

 

[Swellegant]

Im just looking for answers... And I come to this forum for comfort and to find those answers. But lately its mostly been just flames.

You wrote this while I was writing the above and I had to come tearing back to address it.

You come looking for answers, but you don't accept any of the answers you get. You simply reiterate your point over and over again, defending yourself with the exact same point, sometimes even the exact same sentence, numerous times.

I did read your "I Found Jesus" post, and I wrote you a lengthy and well-thought-out response... which you completely ignored, though you did reiterate your opinion several times to other posters who disagreed with you. That is not how we go about finding comfort and getting answers, my friend, this is how we turn into Archie Bunker.

We want to comfort you. We want you to be happy. And we're just not seeing happiness... not because your beliefs don't jibe with ours, but because you sound unhappy. Maybe it's just your writing style. But even when we flame you, we are (many of us, anyway) trying to help.

 

[Leidian]

I used to consider myself as "Guy #2". I knew that I had a sexual attraction to guys but never thought I could EVER date one, or even kiss one. As time went by I slowly began to realize that the "emotional" connection I had with women wasn't what I thought it was, and I much preferred to have it with men. I'm not *every* gay man, and I'm certainly not you, so I don't know if the same will happen to you, but IMO guy #2 is only different from guy #1 because he chooses to be. Though, obviously, neither *chooses* which sex they are attracted to, just how they act on it.



(I didn't read the whole thread, sorry if this is a repeat comment)