Discharged Gay Soldier running for Cali. Congress

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We don't know what's in Anthony's mind. Perhaps he went in with the intention of keeping his sexuality a secret and decided to work towards ending the policy rather than living a lie. I don't think there's anything bad about that. It's the policy that's bad, not him disclosing who he is. It's baffling to me that anyone would attack him at all. He's working to end what a lot of you guys have been complaining about but he's getting the crticism here?

im not attacking him lol...i dont know where you got that from...these are just cold hard facts

it's cause and effect 101....esp. with this situation...he wasnt outed....and personally i could care less what was going on in his mind...its irrelevant...

 

[Passion4Muzik]

LOL @ calling someone deceitful when the policy requires gays to be deceitful. Are you serious?

 

[NickCole]

LOL @ calling someone deceitful when the policy requires gays to be deceitful. Are you serious?

Yes I am serious.

The very wrong DADT policy does not justify dishonesty.

But your LOLing about deceitfulness is very ObamaNation of you.

The lying and cheating and stealing that's become acceptable in our nation is making the United States a crummier place to live and, unsurprisingly to me, it's been negatively impacting our society in many ways including our economy. I was hoping that after all the Bush messes Americans would have learned, but clearly many did not.

 

[Passion4Muzik]

NickCole, do you really have a partner? When do you have the time?

 

[naked gent]

in a word yes...(it goes so much deeper that your loaded question)....i hate the policy just as much as anyone else....hell it affects me directly...sorta felt like a low blow but whatever...youre not going to change a law directed at/by the military....by disobeying it....its not going to happen....its gonna need a majority to move thru the house and senate...and overturned it shall be...but until then....keep lying..

I disagree with you. The non-violent way to change laws is to show how absurd and unjust they are. If every gay member of our military came out tomorrow that would have an effect on DADT and, imo, would probably bring an end to the policy sooner rather than later.

I'm not suggesting that this be done because, never having been in the military its not my place to say, but if a gay member of the military decided he'd had enough then criticizing him for speaking up comes a little too close to supporting the policy for my comfort.

 

[Willie Boy]

I have one question about him: Does he always discharge prematurely? I think those of us in Cali deserve to know, as he is running in our state.

 

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I disagree with you. The non-violent way to change laws is to show how absurd and unjust they are. If every gay member of our military came out tomorrow that would have an effect on DADT and, imo, would probably bring an end to the policy sooner rather than later.

I'm not suggesting that this be done because, never having been in the military its not my place to say, but if a gay member of the military decided he'd had enough then criticizing him for speaking up comes a little too close to supporting the policy for my comfort.

i love people and idealism....because idealism never works...every gay person in the military is not going to come out.....not going to happen...i wish people would stop dealing with what ifs

(BTW, that idea probably would work, but realism always trumps idealism)

 

[opinterph]

... that idea probably would work, but realism always trumps idealism

Your example of reference notwithstanding, it is not impractical to anticipate periods in our future history during which idealism becomes quite literally identified with realism. Probability has a strange way of becoming the catalyst to successfully combine an action with its predicted outcome.

 

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Your example of reference notwithstanding, it is not impractical to anticipate periods in our future history during which idealism becomes quite literally identified with realism. Probability has a strange way of becoming the catalyst to successfully combine an action with its predicted outcome.

i guess i could say youre right...but ive never been one to be optimistic (and just because im not an optimist does not make me a pessimist lol)

 

[NickCole]

Your example of reference notwithstanding, it is not impractical to anticipate periods in our future history during which idealism becomes quite literally identified with realism. Probability has a strange way of becoming the catalyst to successfully combine an action with its predicted outcome.

That only happens with authenticity, not with pretense. It happens when a group or leader is focused genuinely on the articulated outcome.

An example is Hillary Clinton promising during the campaign to do what she could to secure equal rights and benefits for gays and then, despite losing the election, following through with making that happen within the boundaries of the power she has as Secretary of State.

Conversely, Obama's marketing of Hope and Change, his promises to fully repeal DOMA and DADT, to fight for full equal rights and benefits for gays and his claim of being a fierce advocate of gay rights is an example of an opportunity for idealism becoming identified with realism that hasn't and won't happen.

And the reason is Obama is a fake, not a catalyst to successfully combine action with its predicted outcome.

 

[SteffyMan]

This is not my battle, as I don't live in the USA. However for those who have no sympathy for this man because "you don't change the law by breaking it, it's his own fault etc."

Was the Civil disobedience of the women's rights movement and the black rights movement also foolish? Do you blame those people who were beaten and hosed by police, because they were breaking the law?

I think that soldiers being drummed out of the service, particularly decorated soldiers and needed interpreters, are important to the overturning of DADT. Why is it important? It keeps the issue in the public sphere of debate and discussion. If gays were to just respect the law and not both joining the military, the military and congress would never change the policy, because it would be seen as successful.

They're helping the process along. Don't denigrate them.

 

[Apollo]

You know, I was thinking last night that he was the guy in Beyonce's "If I Were A Boy" video, but looking at him again, I was wrong

 

[archive]

Was the Civil disobedience of the women's rights movement and the black rights movement also foolish? Do you blame those people who were beaten and hosed by police, because they were breaking the law?

sensationalism...gotta love it....

this is why i dont have sympathy for him....he was given all the tools he needed

a top education at the academy

money for reenlistment

and honorable discharge

the reason i believe it holds the movement back and have no sympathy for him is bc of situations like these...he was given all these incentives all while knowing what the law was....some people will ultimately think he was just abusing the system...

 

[NickCole]

....some people will ultimately think he was just abusing the system...

It's clear he was abusing the system, the only question is how.

The Wiki explanation of events is probably the truth. As I said when this story first came out, his explanation doesn't make sense, it's incomplete. Why would someone who's about to start his "dream job" (in a bad economy no less) suddenly out himself and lose it all. Either he fell in love and HAD to be with the man of his dreams, and there's no indication of that, or there's something else going on. The Wikipedia explanation makes sense. And in that case he abused the system by outing himself to get out of a difficult situation he'd created for himself, which had nothing to do with homosexuality. And then he tried to twist it to make himself seem like a hero.

It's amazing how many Americans can be fooled by appearances.

His character is screwed up, and that doesn't do anything to help gay rights or the level of integrity in Congress. He may be good looking and charming but he's bad news and I wouldn't vote for him.

 

[Passion4Muzik]

NickCole, what I don't understand is why you're coming down so hard on Anthony for telling the truth about himself and attacking his whole character, but you supported Palin and Hillary Clinton who are both liars. Why the double standard?

 

[Apollo]

NickCole, what I don't understand is why you're coming down so hard on Anthony for telling the truth about himself and attacking his whole character, but you supported Palin and Hillary Clinton who are both liars. Why the double standard?

Because he looks too much like Obama.

Although, this guy is hotter.

 

[NickCole]

NickCole, what I don't understand is why you're coming down so hard on Anthony for telling the truth about himself and attacking his whole character ...

That's not why I'm coming down hard on him, and your attempt to reframe my point only shows how dishonest you are.

 

[Passion4Muzik]

Okay, you're officially an attention whore, a nut and a troll. I used to think perhaps you believed the bullshit you typed but it's obvious you just like the attention you get from being contrary. Carry on.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Brave, patriotic, intelligent, black AND gay. Sounds like he was produced with a focus group of swing voters in mind. We definitely need guys (and gals!) like him.

 

[NickCole]

Okay, you're officially an attention whore, a nut and a troll. I used to think perhaps you believed the bullshit you typed but it's obvious you just like the attention you get from being contrary. Carry on.

Ah, more nasty personal attacks from an Obama supporter.

Same as Bush supporters were.