discussion pornstar claims to be straight Gay sexual practices Behaviors Actually gay

[NotHardUp1]

The McKinsey Scale is an artifact, a point-in-time contemporary invention that generated a great deal of needed discussion on the range and fluidity of male sexuality. From the very beginning, his research drew criticisms. The most legitimate critiques revealed that McKinsey not only conducted his research from a biased advocate position, removing necessary scientific objectivity, but that he repeated had sex with his subjects. Those two revelations were damning in the extreme for the validity of the study's assertions.

As for the labelling of porn actors, projecting into cinema of any kind one's desires and wishes for what is or isn't reality in the world is the problem of the viewer, not the cast.

Acting is acting. That gay porn pays men a great deal more than straight porn does, per video, is the source of the dissonance between what the viewer sees and what is the reality with the actors.

Sexual preference is the attraction one has intrinsically. That men choose to pursue a more profitable role is not a surprise. Many male prostitutes, both in this country and abroad, are straight and even married, but find it very easy to use sex as a source of income, quickly and expedienty, and requiring little work or time. Several famous (and infamous) porn actors in gay porn have previously been the consorts of wealthy gay men who used them as rent boys.

A great number of male strippers are straight, but learn to navigate the gay club scene to earn much more money than they could in women clubs alone.

None of that make sex workers, whether in porn or not, gay. It makes them able to compartmentalize sex acts for pay from their sexual preferences. Some may require erection stimulation drugs to perform, but most do not.

Wanting to force sex workers to be labelled as gay is a product of homosexuality being a small minority, an underclass, and in many people's minds, inferior. As long as that social stigma remains, some gay men will resent straight men being able to interlope, yet then blend in to the dominant orientation's society and status. The truth is, most of that same society has even more contempt for a straight fucking gays for pay than they do for gays themselves. Don't waste your anxiety focusing on actors who generally are more stigmatized than the average gay man in our society.

 

[Kahaih]

I want to see actual figures concerning the difference in pay for straight and gay porn.

People make claims about the pay all the time, but never produce any proof.

 

[Araucaria]

The McKinsey Scale is an artifact, a point-in-time contemporary invention that generated a great deal of needed discussion on the range and fluidity of male sexuality. From the very beginning, his research drew criticisms. The most legitimate critiques revealed that McKinsey not only conducted his research from a biased advocate position, removing necessary scientific objectivity, but that he repeated had sex with his subjects. Those two revelations were damning in the extreme for the validity of the study's assertions.

In 1975 C. A. Tripp published a book called "The Homosexual Matrix." Tripp was a researcher at the Kinsey Institute in its heyday in the 1940s and 1950s. In his book, Tripp passionately defends the Kinsey Institute's theory, its methods, and its research. You might even say he was an advocate of the Institute's work. In the book, Tripp clearly has the view that when it comes to homosexuality, everybody else has got it wrong. Remember that in 1975, nearly everyone except a rather small "enlightened" minority were still highly antigay. I ended up buying the book on sale many years ago, and it was very helpful in accepting myself. It may well have been the best $1.50 I ever spent.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I remember buying a papeback, probably in the 90's, of The Hite Report.

As much of what was asserted is STILL not "known" by evidence of proper statistical survey, it is merely a good starting point to discuss gay theory, which is intrinsically valuable, even sans data.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I want to see actual figures concerning the difference in pay for straight and gay porn.

People make claims about the pay all the time, but never produce any proof.

When Jasun Mark still posted on JUB, we got that data fairly often. I'm sure our site owner could weigh in and give general information on industry standards.

Obviously, top dollar talent in either genre won't be typical, but for the masses, I'm sure general trends are known.

 

[Kahaih]

When Jasun Mark still posted on JUB, we got that data fairly often. I'm sure our site owner could weigh in and give general information on industry standards.

Obviously, top dollar talent in either genre won't be typical, but for the masses, I'm sure general trends are known.

No, I don't recall ever seeing any 'data' from Jason Mark. Only vague claims, and a lot of 'trust me's. And, frankly, I've never been the least bit impressed by anything he had to say. Why should I be?

I'm sure that perpetuating the rumors/claims that gay porn actors are straight (or bi) is good for business, though, since it's quite likely that there are far more straight women than gay men buying gay porn.

I won't accept the higher pay claim without real statistics. Others are free to believe whatever they want, of course.

 

[NotHardUp1]

No, I don't recall ever seeing any 'data' from Jason Mark. Only vague claims, and a lot of 'trust me's. And, frankly, I've never been the least bit impressed by anything he had to say. Why should I be?

I'm sure that perpetuating the rumors/claims that gay porn actors are straight (or bi) is good for business, though, since it's quite likely that there are far more straight women than gay men buying gay porn.

I won't accept the higher pay claim without real statistics. Others are free to believe whatever they want, of course.

I doubt real statistics exist anywhere. After all, pay is a proprietary bit of information, and the porn industry is hardly known for its openness (pardon the pun.)

As for women watching gay porn, in my experience, straight women are more often turned off by seeing men make out, and feel somewhat threatened by it. If anything, they would be likely audiences for solo vids.

 

[Kahaih]

I doubt real statistics exist anywhere. After all, pay is a proprietary bit of information, and the porn industry is hardly known for its openness (pardon the pun.)

As for women watching gay porn, in my experience, straight women are more often turned off by seeing men make out, and feel somewhat threatened by it. If anything, they would be likely audiences for solo vids.

Those same women might feel better being told that it's not true love and the guys are only doing it for money, don't you think?

 

[NotHardUp1]

Those same women might feel better being told that it's not true love and the guys are only doing it for money, don't you think?

Maybe a malicious man would tell them the actors are thinking of women, and when later with women, most "performance" issues are caused by their flashbacks to their male partners.

 

[Alistair]

No, I don't recall ever seeing any 'data' from Jason Mark. Only vague claims, and a lot of 'trust me's. And, frankly, I've never been the least bit impressed by anything he had to say. Why should I be?

I'm sure that perpetuating the rumors/claims that gay porn actors are straight (or bi) is good for business, though, since it's quite likely that there are far more straight women than gay men buying gay porn.

I won't accept the higher pay claim without real statistics. Others are free to believe whatever they want, of course.

I doubt the assertion that most male dancers in gay clubs are straight. I doubt most dancers at women’s clubs are even straight.

 

[Kahaih]

I doubt the assertion that most male dancers in gay clubs are straight. I doubt most dancers at women’s clubs are even straight.

I've never seen a male dance/dancer in person, but from movies and video clips, it looks like they are loving themselves up with all the hand movements/rubbing. They certainly don't seem to be repulsed by the male form. LOL

And, I gather that a lot of dancers and porn performers are also prostitutes. But, to whom do they pander?

 

[NotHardUp1]

And, I gather that a lot of dancers and porn performers are also prostitutes. But, to whom do they pander?

They use online escort sites, dating sites, hookups via patrons at bars and clubs, word-of-mouth, and from "massage" ads.

They pander to gay men, often older, fatter, grayer, and richer. Women simply don't have to pay for sex as often as men do. That's not a myth. Male giggolos to female customers are exceedingly rare by comparison. If you think about it, a straight prostitute would likely have less problems with that than a gay one, since straight men weren't expecting to find the men attractive anyway.

They also use sites like OnlyFans and Chaturbate to find paying customers who are looking for more than eye candy.

 

[Kahaih]

/\ Surely gay prostitutes aren't expecting their clients to be lookers, either. LOL

Personally, I think about 95% of gay porn actors are really stupid and creepy looking, but that doesn't stop them from fucking each other on camera. LOL

 

[Latimer]

Re women and gay male sex:

In Japan, from Wikipedia:

"There is a genre of anime and manga that focuses on gay male romance (and sometimes explicit content) known as yaoi. Yaoi titles are primarily marketed to women, and are commonplace in bookstores (normally found in or near to the shōjo manga section). Various terms are used in Japan to refer to yaoi."

I have known women who liked watching gay male porn more than straight porn because the guys were better looking. I've had a couple of 3-ways with couples where I was told the wife wanted to watch her husband fuck another guy and was sexually aroused by it.

As far as gay prostitutes not expecting their clients to be good-looking: in general, that may be true, but in my own experience, more often than not my clients were good-looking enough, some of them exceptionally so. Men don't necessarily hire another man (or woman, for that matter) for sex because they can't otherwise find a partner. There are a number of good reasons to do so, the most important being that it's an easy way of finding a good-looking, willing and experienced partner for sex.

 

[Sebazz]

This Female Gay Porn Director Knows Why Women Love Gay Porn

Nica Noelle is one of the only women to break into the gay porn industry. She explains why straight women watch gay porn, why her industry is often troubled, and more.

www.vice.com

 

[Sebazz]

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7220958545083370798

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7221337024610028842

 

[Kahaih]

/\ Those are so hilariously typical of him.

Thanks for posting them.

 

[NotHardUp1]

My impressions of gay prostitutes are largely influenced by a former JUB member who talked (privately, in person) about his trade and how it worked and how it affected him.

He was very good looking, but I did not get any impression his clients were necessarily.

 

[LoveMyPeppermill]

Men don't necessarily hire another man (or woman, for that matter) for sex because they can't otherwise find a partner. There are a number of good reasons to do so, the most important being that it's an easy way of finding a good-looking, willing and experienced partner for sex.

There's that old quip supposedly made by rich straight guys in finance and Hollywood (who wouldn't usually have trouble finding women who wanted to date them):

"You're not paying her to spend the night, you're paying her to leave in the morning."

 

[subzero11]

Lucky Taylor is straight and he did everything of this; golden shower as top and bottom too. He was a perfect gay for pay.
And Leo Cooper was gay and did bi and straight videos.
It's not sure whether Mark Zebro is bi or straight.

He has many gay porn scenes

It's definitely not 100% straight.

It is very clear that he finds pleasure with males

I think he has a repressed sexual desire