DISSCUSSION: Was the First Man Adam an Androgyne?

[mbamike]

Genesis 1
27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 5

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 male and female created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

It is my hypothesis (belief) that God is perfect (complete) within his own being. He does not need another being to complete him, make him whole. Thus, when he made the first man Adam, he made Adam complete within his own being too. Thus, the first man Adam was an androgyne, formally known as a hermaphrodite. The term intersexual can be used also.

I believe this to be important because of Adam's sin and his connection to the Christ.

Romans 5
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.

God is able to forgive only those sins that the Christ took upon his own body. We know that females are physically and emotionally different from males. I believe they are spiritually different too. Thus, the Christ had to be an androgyne, like the first man Adam, so that females can be spiritually saved.

There is a biological argument to support this theory. There were no "Y" chromosomes present when the Christ was conceived. Therefore, only Mary's "X" chromosomes were present. Hence, the Christ should have presented as a female with "XX" chromosomes.

However, we know that he was circumcised according to The Gospels. Therefore, he presented as male. Hence, the Christ was perfect (whole) within his own body. The Christ was an androgyne/intersexual.

Additional Material

Genesis 2

21 And Jehovah God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof:

22 and the rib, which Jehovah God had taken from the man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And the man said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

I think there is a connection between woman's separation from Adam and the scars we bear on our bodies that are called the scrotal and perineal raphe (That line we have between our legs).

Also, I think it is important to keep in mind that we all begin life as a female. Then adrogens are released during the gestation process to change the female child to male.

I have googled the question "Was Adam a hermaphrodite?" I was surprised at the amount of material that is out there.

I know there are JUB members more educated than me on theological matters. Will you share your knowledge with us? What is your opinion about Adam and the Christ? Were they Androgynes?

 

[kallipolis]

The Genesis narrative is not written to reflect an historical event, or events. Genesis attempts to explain the emergence of homo sapiens in language that ancient peoples could understand within the framework of their experience of life and relationship with the creator.

Thus your question is entirely academic.

I am sure that Creationists will offer their solutions to the puzzle that you have presented.

 

[FirmaFan]

The origins of life on earth have been heavily investigated and studied by an extensive number of researchers and scientists. Evolution is the proven mechanism by which the diversity of life arose on this planet. The origin of life, aka: abiogenesis, has also been extensively studied, and while the exact mechanism by which it occurred in known early-earth conditions remains undiscovered, various proof-of-concept experiments, such as the famous Miller-Urey tests, have been shown that it can and does indeed occur. No investigation has ever brought about any evidence to support the accounts made in genesis. While it may be fun to attempt to rationalize how such things in genesis could be feasible in reality (hell, I once saw a documentary on how Superman's powers could be explained using real world physics), know that when talking about the events in genesis, it's all fiction.

 

[mbamike]

He is some information what another source say about an androgynous Adam.

Androgyne Adam

 

[Kulindahr]

It's interesting speculation, but as it's not exactly relevant to salvation I'm not going to get terribly enthused about it.

The root problem, though, is that you're drawing on the Genesis 2 account, which is what we might call a pastoral/rural folk tale. It isn't meant to be literal in the least, though some lessons can be drawn from it as though it were literal. But when we start playing with concepts that weren't even accessible to bronze age people -- the original audience -- you've departed that realm into what amounts to daydreams, or, as a professor of mine used to say, intellectual masturbation.

There's a much stronger argument that Jesus had to be bi than that He and/or Adam were androgynes.

 

[mbamike]

More information:

There is an opinion in the Talmud that states that God originally created Adam as a hermaphrodite and then split that one being into two separate bodies. Besides the verse that you cite, there is another a bit further on in Genesis that alludes to this concept: “Male and female He created them, and He blessed them and called THEIR name Adam on the day they were being created.” (Genesis 5:2)

Sincerely,
Rabbi Ari Lobel

 

[kallipolis]

I again repeat that Creationist theories which propose that the creation of homo sapiens was a one off event are not supportable by anthropological research.

Creationist theories that presume to discuss such ideas that you have brought to our attention on this thread are not supported by secular scientific research, or Traditional Christianity.

Evolutionary Theory best addresses man's understanding of the emergence of homo sapiens from earlier species in the animal kingdom.

 

[mbamike]

Hermaphrodites have a long history. Indeed, many traditional cultures believed that the original person was perfect. Perfection means having no wants that need to be satisfied, so the first person was hermaphrodite. This can be seen in Plato's Symposium, where the original form of humanity was hemaphrodite, but when they got too numerous Zeus, decided to split them in half. After having done so, he finds that the now-separate sexes spend all their time trying to join themselves back together. Zeus decides to help these creatures by moving their genitalia such that when any two embraced, they might conceive and thus propagate. In some interpretaions of Genesis, the primal Adam was a hermaphrodite, and the cleaving of this original person into male and female is evidence of the Fall. So, as the saying goes, "No one's perfect."

SOURCE: Developmental Biology, Ninth Edition; Scott F. Gilbert