Do gay men appreciate men more than women do?

[Krakenbwool]

As a female, that has been my observation. Women care more about how men make them feel instead of the other way around, while gay men seem to be a lot more "selfless" when it comes to giving affection (to put it euphemistically) to other men.

Any thoughts? Do I not know what I'm talking about, considering I don't have any real experience being a gay/bi man?

 

[iwantbig]

I'm Bi and i just want Cock .

 

[iwantbig]

I appreciate men more when their cock gets hard in relation to my ass hole .

 

[Krakenbwool]

Oh yeah, that's another thing. Women apparently get offended at seeing nude male parts (cock), but gay men love it.

Honestly, women are so weird at times.

 

[Telstra]

Oh yeah, that's another thing. Women apparently get offended at seeing nude male parts (cock), but gay men love it.

Honestly, women are so weird at times.

women feels dirty/slutty if she enjoy cocks isn't not?
especially in conservative countries ...

 

[iwantbig]

When you say " Women " and " apparently " it rings alarm bells .
firstly because its like there has been a survey of all women and that was the result ! secondly , the " apparently " says you know this is shit .
My belief , due to my personal experience is that ( most women ) are full of shit when it gets down to admitting what turns them on to all but a very few , sometimes they are more likely to confide in a total stranger to get what they want so that their friends or partner never find out what they are into .
i know plenty that foam at the mouth when they see cock .

 

[texan_slant]

Most of my friends (men and women) are straight and married;

I hear women cap on men all the time, whereas I tend to think that men get a bad rap, and (for lack of better words), I tend to put them "on a pedestal" more.

Some of my friends have mentioned that they get more lovin and appreciation from me rather than their wives!

I definitely gawk at, flirt with, and check out men more than my female friends do.

...so I have said the same thing about myself, that I definitely appreciate men more than the women (who I know) do, yet I know that this is they superficial answer at the same time. Female-male dynamics and relationships tend to be more complex than male-male dynamics. Almost like the "women are from venus" and "men are from mars" thing - it rings true.

 

[evanrick]

omg.. Women my age, and younger are horrible. not all of them, but a large minority. They are always second guessing their men, never trusting them, always questioning them.

To answer your question, yes men do appreciate men, in other ways, that sometimes women do not or cannot, the opposite is true. I see this first hand all the time and this is actually a subject that deserves to be studied.

I think womens agenda all along have been to use men to procreate and make them feel worthless so they don't leave the relationship.

Think of it this way, if males were given 2 options for their sexual orientation, there would be almost no reason to be in a relationship with a woman other than a desire to have children. Since men cant have babies, straight men have to be forced to be attracted to females.

I think whats lacking in gay men in relation to male affection is that they do not have ulterior motives, they have the same motives as other men, sex.

Perhaps homosexuality is the default sexuality for both sexes, it makes sense that men and women would have to be forced together to have children by laws of nature.

I do admire other men, for their strength, intelligence, beauty in ways that i dont see women capable of doing. Im sure women admire other women for the same reasons, and they express that more, but that has more to do with culture.

Without the preservation of species instinct, all men and women, are pretty gay.

 

[greyhorse]

Evanrick you have a point but it is a gross generalisation re men and women. Many men I know and read about are heavily into women (pussy, boobs - perhaps) and I myself appreciate a well got-up woman or just a beautiful woman although I love men. I do see in hetero relationships a staleness comes on in later years when the (perhaps) sexual desire for that partner has died somewhat (but certainly not in all cases).
I agree with other statement above that a study into this subject would be interesting, as well as a general study into what proportion of the population (that is everyone) would say they were attracted to or would have sex with the same sex if they were able to be truly truthfull !!!!! And so the discussion goes on. Happy days to all. and if you are in a loving relationship I hope it continues for you. Cheers, G

 

[HornyHenry]

I've fucked both and can tell that the guys I fucked(including those who sucked me off) liked getting fucked by me a lot more, as well as appreciated my company more. I myself like being with fellow men more than with women(or fems, queens, etc.).

 

[RoadBike]

I can't speak for the population, but from a personal perspective, YES! I can love a guy in ways that a woman would never think of - because I'm a guy.

 

[anchihiro]

Subjective. End of.

 

[Krakenbwool]

Thanks for the responses. Yes, I know that it's definitely a subjective topic and I am generalizing. But it's good to hear opinions, whether they agree or contradict.

But in my experience, when talking with my female friends about men, they tend to get "grossed out" when I talk about men's, for lack of a better word, "body parts." They can only bring themselves to generalizing men as "cute" or "hot," but at most are willing to talk about men's abs (but don't try to mention ass or legs, because men are composed of upper bodies; that's all ). I have to say that's why it's so much more fun talking about men with other men because they aren't afraid of getting "down and dirty" as to what they like.

And I guess something else that puzzles me is that women generally don't like "man on man." There is obviously the social stigma that is a mental block, but I think it has to do with them only being turned on by a man giving a woman "pleasure," and not by seeing the man himself being given pleasure. Personally, I don't get it. As a chick, I like "man on man" in the same way as most straight men like "girl on girl." It's two men. And I like men. The more men, the better.

Of course, personality counts, too.

 

[SilverWolf]

And I guess something else that puzzles me is that women generally don't like "man on man."

I don't know that many women in real life who like gay porn, but I'd like to point out a lot of women write slash fanfiction (2 guys). Its usually women write slash more than men in my observation.

 

[iwantbig]

Yeah ,Like I said Kraken , " women tend to get grossed out " , i think its an act in most cases , I believe they are trying to change the subject so you don't see them dribbling at the thought of it , strangely enough most women that i've had to do with want to tell me how sexy my ass was , i recently heard my mates mother in law complaing about the stripper at a hens night because she only caught a short glimpse of his cock .
I realize i have concentrated on the off side of your topic but its what caught my attention .

 

[TyMckay]

I think that gay men are just more sexually open than women (my believes, if i'm wrong, i'm wrong) and that's why it seems that women are "grossed out".

One of my best girl friends and i go to the gym together and she always talks to me "openly" (and actually she gets real nasty) about the other guys in the gym and what she ould do to them, but when i see her talking with her female friends she acts diferent, she doesn't want to tell them what she says to me.

And what she says to me is in fact what i'm thinking about the guys there, so what i believe is that gay men and women appreciate men equally, its just that gay men are more open and shameless about it.

 

[Luv_Trail]

oh that answer is an obvious yes..

 

[Krakenbwool]

Far too many women I have known date men only for their money. Sorry if this is sexist or a generalization, but I think a large percentage of women marry a man for his money. And the men participate in the same scheme: get rich and you will be able to afford a trophy wife. I'm sure women will disagree with this, and claim they marry for love, but when push comes to shove, they go for the man with the money. There may be a certain percentage of gay men who are attracted to a man for his money, but I think for the most part gay men are attracted to a man's physical appearance.

I agree that a lot of women go for men with money or power over a guy with good looks (which, in the end, turns out well for those of us with...well...a different kind of superficiality). I suppose it has to do with the fact that many women still don't want to make their own livings, while men, straight and gay, are expected to be able to support themselves. But yep, having your own cash does give you many more opportunities.

 

[EJMichaels]

I hesitate to post an answer before sitting down and writing/editing for a while, but I'm going to jump in anyway. I'm female and use the label bisexual here. I'd say I'm more on the gay side of the fence. I hang out with people with various alternative sexualities. Thus, my experience with straight women is somewhat limited.

. . . Women care more about how men make them feel instead of the other way around, while gay men seem to be a lot more "selfless" when it comes to giving affection (to put it euphemistically) to other men.

I think there is some truth to the first part. Quite often the straight men go along with that. They seem to like having an effect on women. Men with other men may or may not care about pleasing the other man - I can't speak to that subject, but since there are two of them, they'll have to take turns or work something out. In other words, there are those who like doing and those who like getting done, and it often works out for het couples to get one of each. I just asked my resident male, and he thinks a man can be happy spending most of his time “doing” his partner.

I don't know that many women in real life who like gay porn, but I'd like to point out a lot of women write slash fanfiction (2 guys).

Again, my sample is biased. Most of my friends read and/or write men-on-men fiction. Sometimes, however, it falls in the romance category, something I don't read the straight version of and don’t like much more when the characters are both men. The sex in those is entirely different than what I find in erotica written by men, for men. Being around “real” gay men is one of the reasons I’m on JUB. I like a lot of things about male sexuality, especially when they do it with each other. (I just don’t “get” heterosexuality sometimes.) I’ve also developed a greater interest in men since I’ve been here and think I understand them a lot more. After years of being a lesbian, I had some catching up to do. Plus, I’ve been getting some great tips for writing porn from some men here.

Regarding body parts - the only objection I've heard is having the parts out of context. Women who like cocks often prefer getting the whole person at once. They just don't understand why someone would want to see a picture of a cock, for example. Women don’t “zero in” on their target the same way men do.

I read things on JUB and wonder if it's a gay thing or male thing, so I check with the straight men I know and they tell me it's mostly a male thing. I don't know how women manage without an instruction manual.

 

[a little edgy]

Can we agree at the start that we're talking in stereotypes and generalizations? Everybody's different, so the comments here (including mine) shouldn't be taken as meaning that all men or all women are a certain way. It's more about general tendencies than about specific individuals.

That said, I wonder if a similar thread could be made asking if lesbians appreciate women more than men do. There are lots of differences between the sexes - not just the anatomical ones, but ways of thinking and behaving.

Regardless of sexual orientation, men are men. It's natural that gay men would, in many cases, understand and respond to another man's attitude and behavior in a different and more accepting way than a woman would because the behavior is natural to us, too. Or, if not always natural, at least understandable.

For example, I have observed that many women, even sophisticated and worldly women, really don't get male sexuality. Among other things, they don't understand how men can so easily detach sex and emotion. (And, I'm sure, it could equally be said that many men are clueless about female sexuality.)

So, in that sense, I think gay men often understand straight men better than women do and don't judge them as harshly in some areas.

Also, we are not raised to expect men to support us or take care of us, so our expectations are lower. Modern young women have been brought up in a weird, entitled, and almost schizophrenic way: On the one hand, they expect to be treated as fully equal to men in every sphere of life, and yet there are still many influences that teach them to expect men to treat them as special, put them on pedestals, take care of them, etc. It's no wonder things are a little confused.

I think these two things - greater understanding and lack of expectations - tend to allow us to appreciate men more than women do.

But, again, I think the exact same argument could be made about lesbians and straight women.