Do "Intelligent Design" still taught in the US schools ?

[xbuzzerx]

Trexx the wing-nuts playing with textbooks aren't actually interested in "education," they're interested in scoring political points and while I'm sure there are a few nutty educators out there, Dude, Austin is more progressive than LA and if you tried to teach that intelligent design crap they'd lynch you.

At a university level,no way, except maybe at places like Baylor and they're crazy anyway.

When my very very good Austinite friend gets too high-and-mighty about Austin, I either hum "Yellow Rose of Texas" or mention his governor. He shuts up.

 

[TX-Beau]

http://www.yellowroseaustin.com/

That's just not right (and yes, there is pole abuse to that tune.)

 

[ravenstar]

I don't read story books but i do watch documentaries, debates and news.
Is that bad or uneducated ?

Frankly Telly, reading would do you a lot of good. You don't need to read fiction, there are millions of non fiction books out there that will help to broaden your mind and your understanding of the areas you are interested in.

There's only so much you can learn from Youtube.

 

[ravenstar]

And I was trying to ignore this but I just can't. Your thread title is garbage. It's either "Is Intelligent Design still taught in US schools" or "Do US Schools Still Teach Intelligent Design". I can't figure out if you write the way you do on purpose or not

 

[xbuzzerx]

And I was trying to ignore this but I just can't. Your thread title is garbage. It's either "Is Intelligent Design still taught in US schools" or "Do US Schools Still Teach Intelligent Design". I can't figure out if you write the way you do on purpose or not

OH MY GOD!

I was so hurting waiting for someone to say it. Sweet relief.

 

[RaKroma]

Do the Dodo bird still be extinct?

 

[Anders123]

How girl get pragnent? How is babby formed?

 

[Kulindahr]

I get pissed at these people for stealing the terms "intelligent design" and "creationism", and at the media making pieces like this perpetuating that theft.

I belonged to an Intelligent Design club at OSU, and everyone there was a creationist as the term was then used: due to our studies of science, we had concluded that there was a Creator, because nature evidenced design. But not a one of us thought the earth less than four billion years old, and most in the group weren't Christians. These people insult the intelligence of everyone by claiming that what they believe has much at all to do with intelligence or design.

 

[xbuzzerx]

They are teach English Australia?

 

[star-warrior]

How girl get pragnent? How is babby formed?

Chicken and egg problem. Aphids are born pregnant.

 

[T-Rexx]

Trexx the wing-nuts playing with textbooks aren't actually interested in "education," they're interested in scoring political points

Obviously.

But it is tremendously unfair to students to compromise their education so that a political party may advance a religious agenda on behalf of some of its members.

and while I'm sure there are a few nutty educators out there, Dude, Austin is more progressive than LA and if you tried to teach that intelligent design crap they'd lynch you.

That may be, but this nonsense is included in the textbooks at state insistence. It is therefore being "taught" in every classroom in Texas, whether the instructors emphasize this view or not.

This issue is bigger than Texas, however. Texas is the second-largest school textbook market in America. What other states get is often a Texas-approved textbook, because it is too expensive for publishers to tailor textbooks to every market in which they sell. That means that Texas is imposing its religious fundamentalism on the teaching of science throughout the United States.

The USA is already behind the rest of the world in science education. As America struggles to catch up, Texas struggles to pull us back down.

I'm a fan of educating students about religion, even in public schools. There are many questions about the universe that science cannot begin to address. But, it is unfair to students to try to slip religious instruction into the curriculum clandestinely, under the guise of science. Students need to understand how science and religion differ. Subtly implying to students that the two disciplines offer contradictory explanations from which the student must choose is not only incorrect, it undermines the very foundations upon which both disciplines are built.

I suspect that Texans cannot be as crazy as they often seem to those of us who have never been there. But, I do wish they would try to improve the quality of science education in America. And I do wish they would stop cramming their politics down our throats.

 

[Axxess]

Intelligent Design was never taught in any of my science classes. But then again, neither was evolution; They avoided the topic all together.

Trexx the wing-nuts playing with textbooks aren't actually interested in "education," they're interested in scoring political points and while I'm sure there are a few nutty educators out there, Dude, Austin is more progressive than LA and if you tried to teach that intelligent design crap they'd lynch you.

At a university level,no way, except maybe at places like Baylor and they're crazy anyway.

Using the words "progressive" and "lynch" in the same run-on sentence. How ironic.

 

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[Telstra]

And I was trying to ignore this but I just can't. Your thread title is garbage. It's either "Is Intelligent Design still taught in US schools" or "Do US Schools Still Teach Intelligent Design". I can't figure out if you write the way you do on purpose or not

Why can't i say i own way of English ? lol

 

[Kulindahr]

8) To Telly's question concerning whether the teaching is banned in public schools, there is another PBS documentary, this time in the Frontline series, found here: http://video.pbs.org/video/1481758920/

This one covers the recent moves by the Texas state education department's textbook committee and the backdoor approach to forcing undermining language that is anti-evolutionary and anti-climate change into the curriculum of the nation's largest textbook publishers. Failure to adopt these critical passages results in likely rejection. The effect is to bully the publishers into capitulation, as Texas's staggering size (population) means that publishers who deal themselves out of that market suffer competitively. Because they don't publish multiple editions, other states are dragged into the gutter of dumbness alongside Texas when the other states have to buy the same books.

There is a good article from Mother Jones here: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/creationist-science-texas-textbook-review-evolution-climate-change

The top URL goes to a piece about history books and "Christian nation" stuff.

Good article in Mother Jones, though.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

And how tragic is that? Your standards are such that 85% of humanity is beneath your contempt. They are all vanilla, and fatally flawed to you. That sounds far more narrow minded than any religious people I have ever met.

and in two sentences you judging me and my beliefs.
I never said I didn't believe in a God but I don't believe in religion.

Two different things.

now go judge someone else

 

[T-Rexx]

It becomes bigotry each and every time you take a pet peeve about religion, or in this case, the manipulation of the science curriculum by the religious in power.

Bigotry is not "pet peeves."

Demanding open-mindedness over authoritarianism in education is quite the opposite of bigotry.

Because some have abused their power to bastardize science, clearly contaminating it, you take the opportunity to rant about Texas and make statements that are both false and equally offensive.

You agree that Texas authorities have abused their power and have damaged the quality of science education in America, but you believe that acknowledging this fact constitutes a "false" statement. I appreciate that you find the truth about this offensive. So do I.

Your argument relies on basically nothing to make its assertion. Because SOME teachers in Texas will attempt to use these textbook guidelines as excuses to inject their religious belief, it does not follow that it is required teaching nor that even most will do so.

It's in the textbooks of every science class in Texas. If the teachers ask the students to read their textbooks, they are teaching them intelligent design. Period.

Painting Texas as some monolithic culture, with a Baptist in front of every classroom is as bigoted as it gets. You might as well be Telly and simply watch a YouTube clip and surmise reality from it.

The monolith is confined only to the schoolbooks, which are uniformly standardized across the state. No one has made any claims about Texas being a monolithic culture. That would be absurd.

And the only person who has mentioned "Baptists" is you. You don't seem to have a very high opinion of them.

Discussing the offense of the potential harm in Texas is one thing. Asserting that it will or is the basis for classroom instruction in a state of 26 million people goes beyond skewed. It's just cranky. You want to rant about a legitimate problem but by using hyperbole to make it conform to your impression of Texas. It is frankly cartoonish.

I'm not clear on your point here. Are you saying that textbooks are not the basis for classroom instruction in Texas?

And it is not hyperbole. This problem is so important that it has its own name, The Texas Schoolbook Massacre.

Somehow, we don't hear about the "New York Schoolbook Massacre" or the "California Schoolbook Massacre." This is a problem mostly with Texas. You seem to be embarrassed by your state's behavior. I regard that as a good sign.

And there are textbooks that accommodate that President Roosevelt may have intentionally ignored the warnings of the attack on Pearl Harbor in order to precipitate America's declaration of war. Because a curriculum accommodates a fringe concept, or in the case of ID, an obnoxious religious injection, it doesn't follow that teachers are teaching it.

You keep insisting that the textbooks are not important to the curriculum.

I was a high school teacher. No force on Earth could compel teachers to teach the same, nor to suspend their own judgment and discretion at the front door. Your assertion is the contrary. You assert that they are being required to teach religion and that the students are somehow some hapless sponges that won't be able to resist indoctrination. Your thinking about education and how it works is as bad as the thinking of the ID proponents.

You keep insisting that the textbooks are not important to the curriculum.

The strong university system in Texas exists primarily to educate Texans, be they native born or not. Your depiction of Texas and the effects of the curriculum manipulation ignores that. Those science degrees and teachers don't evaporate when they matriculate. Texas is full of educated and intelligent people, by design or otherwise.

No one is disputing that.

I did not realize that Texas teachers generally write their own textbooks and ignore the state versions.

Just because a cabal of religionists abused their majority status to corrupt public school curricula does not mean that the actions will not be challenged with legal actions. My former home of Arkansas often made the news for just such events, and they were followed with arrogant and dismissive assessments by people just like the one you make here about what is actually happening in Texas.

You admit that "a cabal of religionists abused their majority status to corrupt public school curricula" but you are offended when people complain about that. You claim that I am "arrogant and dismissive" because I disagree with your "cabal." And yet, you seem to disagree with them yourself!

It is because you use events like this to air exaggerated statements that are untrue, unsupported, and apparently enjoy making caricatures out of people. Because I taught, I resent your smear of the profession.

You have several times admitted to problems in Texas science education, while then complaining a few sentences later that these claims are "exaggerated," "untrue" and "unsupported." Which do you believe?

And why do you regard standing up for education as "smearing the profession?"

And, because you post rebuttal to argument not made. Your posts continue to imply ID is propagated here in this thread, and there is no such post to be found. It would seem that all of JUB is aware that it isn't science, yet you seem to step up to imply we aren't getting it.

The ID is being propagated in Texas science classrooms, not this thread!

And how tragic is that? Your standards are such that 85% of humanity is beneath your contempt. They are all vanilla, and fatally flawed to you. That sounds far more narrow minded than any religious people I have ever met.

85%??? Where are you getting these numbers?

Advocating on behalf of open thought in education is not contempt of humanity.

I sense that you hold precisely the same view that I do on this issue - that there is no place for this stuff in a science textbook. So sorry that caring about the quality of education makes us such terrible bigots, and so contemptuous of humanity.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Religion and intelligence don't belong in the same sentence.

I'd rather hang out with the apes then a believer.

and in two sentences you judging me and my beliefs.
I never said I didn't believe in a God but I don't believe in religion.

Two different things.

now go judge someone else

You made an insult to believers, don't expect to not be judged when you do so yourself.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

You made an insult to believers, don't expect to not be judged when you do so yourself.

Do you actually believe in Adam and Eve and that crap in the bible?

then go ahead.

have fun with that because it seems to have caused a lot of mess in the last 2000 years.

 

[Kulindahr]

and in two sentences you judging me and my beliefs.
I never said I didn't believe in a God but I don't believe in religion.

Two different things.

now go judge someone else

What you did was dis all believers without qualification.

Judged rightly.