Do retired porn actors hate their past?

[maxpowr9]

It's funny because I know a former gay porn actor that is a tad famous who lives near me and he is so repulsed by anal sex now that he refuses to have anal again.

 

[Str8Top14701]

Some bash it because it's the way they can "justify" what they did to, both to themselves and others. They also get attention. Linda Lovelace wrote a book about how great her life in porn was, but it went nowhere. Then she writes a book saying that she was forced into it, that it led to issues with substances and relationships, etc etc etc... And suddenly she's the darling of the media, getting booked (and paid) on talk shows, speaking engagements, book signings, being trotted out by anti-porn, anti-vice groups.

Many leave but end up back in porn because they miss the attention and the money. Where else are people, women in particular, going to make that kind of money in small amounts of time?

 

[Kulindahr]

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Yep. Even the liberal-leaning major media in the US suffer from the puritanical self-righteous streak that doesn't really believe other people own their own bodies.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Some bash it because it's the way they can "justify" what they did to, both to themselves and others. They also get attention. Linda Lovelace wrote a book about how great her life in porn was, but it went nowhere. Then she writes a book saying that she was forced into it, that it led to issues with substances and relationships, etc etc etc... And suddenly she's the darling of the media, getting booked (and paid) on talk shows, speaking engagements, book signings, being trotted out by anti-porn, anti-vice groups.

Many leave but end up back in porn because they miss the attention and the money. Where else are people, women in particular, going to make that kind of money in small amounts of time?

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anyway

thankyou

 

[darden]

I'd imagine that for the majority (outside of the small handful that turn into major porn stars), they do a couple films, finish college, and move on with their lives.

unless you're planning on being a teacher or some kind of public figure, a porn star past probably isn't grounds to get terminated over a job.

 

[Pcp3t3]

I know several former twink actors from my time in Orlando, and no they don't, mostly because it is a short career and only a small part of one's life/social life.

If you're stating their lack of hate comes from having a short tenure in porn, that's interesting.

However, one thing concerns me:

Having a different career is one thing, but rationalizing a lapse in career history, or an avoidance of a past being discussed, with gay porns obscurity, to me, isn't healthy.

To me, someone hoping they won't be discovered, due to an assumed obscurity, supports there being a dersire to hide. Just because something may not be found easily, doesn't mean a person has to push it along, or hope for it. In the workplace, the employer decides the relevancy of a past career.

Needing to hide it is not the same as hating or regretting it. It is not the porn itself, but the straight reaction to it. Nor do they all feel the same.

The "need" to hide is assumed. You have an obligation to present all history to an employer, and upon review, you'll be notified of any woes.

The fear of outcry or being rebuked, whether moral or not, doesn't merit usurping those accused of a chance to choose their own response.

I have known one famous porn star since 2000 and talk to him from time to time. He has married, has a child and a business in the straight world. He has adjusted well and does not express any embarrassment or regret.

To me, whenever a person believes in a "Gay" and "Straight" world, they can position the "straight" world as superior, and as something to aspire to. They can proclaim a desire to be accepted amongst them, which can stem from unknown misconceptions.

Personally, I only perceive "one" world.

He may suffer from feeling an unhealthy "need" to "earn" a place among "straights". Which can put "straight people" on a pedastool, highlighting acceptance as joining a private club, or obtaining a prize.

He could view himself as subjugated, and embellish by claiming there to be a "need" to omit versus a "desire". If true, that can be unhealthy.

 

[Pcp3t3]

unless you're planning on being a teacher or some kind of public figure, a porn star past probably isn't grounds to get terminated over a job.

It may not be, but it's not for the job candidate to decide. It's merit can be unseen, but if left unstated, employers could terminate. It may not be the career, but an unorthodox omission, or perceived misrepresentation of career history. Also, if any prejudicial values played a part, in regards to it being porn, they could still terminate, regardless of it's moral right.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

wot a employurs? world ova wanna grow up ans suck there mirrors

thankyou

 

[Latimer]

Who is going to hire a porn star?

You'll hire a porn star if he has the skills you're looking for. To state the obvious, you need marketable skills other than fucking and being fucked. Porn actor or rentboy, I assume it's rarely a good move to give up your day job. On the other hand, income from prostitution helped to put me through grad school, and during the years in which I was establishing myself in my profession, allowed me to take prestigious but low-paying jobs that I knew would open doors, allow me to make connections, and look good on my resume'. From my own experience knowing other guys in the sex business, my history is not entirely uncommon. The irony for me in this discussion is the expectation that I could always fall back on hustling gave me the confidence to take risks that I might otherwise have not taken, and that my biggest career break came from a chance encounter that never would have happened if I hadn't been a whore.

 

[Latimer]

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Nicely written. I could leave it at that, but--
Man, are you hard to please!

Regarding a few of your points:
A number of friends and a few colleagues knew and know I was a prostitute. It was anything but covert. At times I was completely open about it, at other times less so, so I'm not exactly surprised when I discover that people I never assumed would know, turn out to know. If anyone asks--and they occasional do--I tell them I had a really good time, a great time, in fact. If I have any regrets, it's that I didn't do porn when it was offered--I backed out for all of the typical reasons, but I honestly wonder if it would have been detrimental to my career. I'd love to do it now, but couldn't: starting porn at 19 or 24 is a youthful adventure; starting porn at 38 when you have a real career looks like a mid-life crisis.

I've always thought my actions completely ethical--honest and forthright--no less as a whore than in any other endeavor.
I've never understood why getting paid for sex was in any way wrong.

 

[Kulindahr]

I've never understood the issue. A person owns himself, and that means he owns his body. If he wants to rent it or sell it, what's the big deal? Most of the population gets their income by renting their bodies or minds or both; this is just another form of that.

 

[Latimer]

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Prostitution has hardly been universally proscribed. Regulated at some times and in some places--as has marriage--but rarely banned outright.

A few articles on the subject in the ancient world:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/prostitution.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_ancient.Greece

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't think it's rocket science. Prostitution is perceived as an inherent threat to the status quo, to monogamous unions, and the rights of inheritance. That's all in addition to the social mores. Of course, the potential for bastard children is not present when one is referring to male prostitution.

The suggestion that ownership of a body is in some way any mitigation for social taboos is inconsistent with much of common law. A man taking contraband drugs is doing something to his own body, but it has been condemned for a few centuries due to the ancillary crime that follows drug use (theft, violence, indigence.)

A similar precept underlies the criminality of reckless behavior, speeding, and nuisance laws like disturbing the piece. The autonomy of one's body is not singular enough as a concept in legality for it to be the deciding factor in many crimes.

Over 90% of the crime connected to drug use is generated by the illegality of it, not because of the drugs. If we'd abandon the Puritan streak, crime would plunge.

As for self-ownership not being a significant factor in our laws, that's one of the problems with our laws -- they're often based on the unstated assumption that some people own others.

 

[Callum]

I actually watched a documentary on Netflix this past weekend about this topic. It's called "After Porn Ends"...was a pretty stark depiction of the adult entertainment industry and why people bailed (or returned). Several porn stars embraced their past, some were repulsed by it. The general theory is that porn attracts inherently 'broken' people.

 

[Kulindahr]

I actually watched a documentary on Netflix this past weekend about this topic. It's called "After Porn Ends"...was a pretty stark depiction of the adult entertainment industry and why people bailed (or returned). Several porn stars embraced their past, some were repulsed by it. The general theory is that porn attracts inherently 'broken' people.

I understand that theory, but I've met enough people in porn who don't fit it to conclude that it isn't complete.

 

[Pcp3t3]

I'd love to do it now, but couldn't: starting porn at 19 or 24 is a youthful adventure; starting porn at 38 when you have a real career looks like a mid-life crisis.

I beleieve pornography can be a "real" career. So if you're questioning that, i'd have to disagree. To me, people who use the word "real", in that fashion fashion, downplay porn. In my opinion, it isn't something doomed to be nothing more than a "side-gig", or 2nd class employment, fated for abandonment.

I've always thought my actions completely ethical--honest and forthright--no less as a whore than in any other endeavor.

I've never understood the issue. A person owns himself, and that means he owns his body. If he wants to rent it or sell it, what's the big deal? Most of the population gets their income by renting their bodies or minds or both; this is just another form of that.

To me, claiming prostitution is ethical would be incorrect. Prostitution is a crime, and anyone who does it, technically, would be a career criminal. So, to compare a crime, to selling yourself as a bookkeeper, for 40 hours. weekly, would be odd. Bookkeeping isn't a misdemeanor offense.

I've never understood why getting paid for sex was in any way wrong.

Over 90% of the crime connected to drug use is generated by the illegality of it, not because of the drugs. If we'd abandon the Puritan streak, crime would plunge.

On a recreational level, sleeping with a prostitute can be fun, but, from an objective standpoint, many things can be noted. I don't mind prostitution, and in the past, have attempted to patronize a prostitute, but it won't ever be widely accepted for numerous reasons. To be honest, I'm not surprised, nor am i disconnected with peoples concerns.

These are concerns i've noticed, some of which have been noted:

To some, like drugs, being heavily involved in one criminal activity could lead to others. It may be a doorway. For prostitutes, who, for economic reasons, work, without any enjoyment, or other incentive, they can be willing to get into darker things like theft, drugs, and human trafficing.

The argument that prostitutes only hurt themselves is one thing, however, morally, if at all, i'm sure, friends and family members mourn, if they have concerns. Due to the work, they'd take a psychological and emotional hit.

Even though, jobs that are more conventional, can leave a person open to health issues, such as high blood pressure, statistically, i'm sure, the magnitude of dangers a prostitute faces daily, will outweigh consequences of other work. That may stir those who care about them, and, in turn, "hurt" them.

Also, the argument that legalizing prostitution would aid it's control, to some, is false. Some view it's legalization as an expansion. Pimps, and people who earn money from their services would be universally legitimized, and the industry would flourish. For prostitutes who hate their work, and are exploited by people of that nature, it'd be devastating. There would be more confidence in cultivating those exploits, and all other criminal acts that stem from that line of work, could flourish.

In an un-conventional way, being a madame, pimp or person who benefits from sex workers, may be an effort that "technically" involves business skills, however, those efforts, because of everything mentioned, may always be frowned upon.

 

[Kulindahr]

To me, claiming prostitution is ethical would be incorrect. Prostitution is a crime, and anyone who does it, technically, would be a career criminal. So, to compare a crime, to selling yourself as a bookkeeper, for 40 hours. weekly, would be odd. Bookkeeping isn't a misdemeanor offense.

On what grounds is it a crime? If a law against prostitution is legitimate, so is a law against adultery, or one against anal sex, or against inter-'racial' sex, or even against pre-marital sex... or against gay marriage or even same-sex cohabitation.

 

[Alnitak]

Promiscuity and prostitution may not be morally wrong, but understand there are risks involved.

 

[Kulindahr]

On a recreational level, sleeping with a prostitute can be fun, but, from an objective standpoint, many things can be noted. I don't mind prostitution, and in the past, have attempted to patronize a prostitute, but it won't ever be widely accepted for numerous reasons. To be honest, I'm not surprised, nor am i disconnected with peoples concerns.

These are concerns i've noticed, some of which have been noted:

To some, like drugs, being heavily involved in one criminal activity could lead to others. It may be a doorway. For prostitutes, who, for economic reasons, work, without any enjoyment, or other incentive, they can be willing to get into darker things like theft, drugs, and human trafficing.

The argument that prostitutes only hurt themselves is one thing, however, morally, if at all, i'm sure, friends and family members mourn, if they have concerns. Due to the work, they'd take a psychological and emotional hit.

On what grounds is drug use a crime? If the government can decide drugs are illegal, they can make anything at all illegal -- sugar, lemons, skydiving....

Even though, jobs that are more conventional, can leave a person open to health issues, such as high blood pressure, statistically, i'm sure, the magnitude of dangers a prostitute faces daily, will outweigh consequences of other work. That may stir those who care about them, and, in turn, "hurt" them.

A prostitute faces dangers daily because it has been made a crime. That means that they can't take any measures to protect themselves, because those would draw attention to them.

Also, the argument that legalizing prostitution would aid it's control, to some, is false. Some view it's legalization as an expansion. Pimps, and people who earn money from their services would be universally legitimized, and the industry would flourish. For prostitutes who hate their work, and are exploited by people of that nature, it'd be devastating. There would be more confidence in cultivating those exploits, and all other criminal acts that stem from that line of work, could flourish.

How would pimps be legitimized? Prostitution under a pimp is human trafficking and, if the prostitute doesn't have a choice, involuntary servitude.

In an un-conventional way, being a madame, pimp or person who benefits from sex workers, may be an effort that "technically" involves business skills, however, those efforts, because of everything mentioned, may always be frowned upon.

A pimp almost by definition is a slave master. With prostitution legalized, pimps would automatically become unemployed, because the prostitutes wouldn't need a "protector". A madame, OTOH, tends to be far more a business manager who takes a cut because of her organizing skills and providing a place to work.

 

[Kulindahr]

Promiscuity and prostitution may not be morally wrong, but understand there are risks involved.

With prostitution, most of the risks are due to it being illegal.